An idea and a website to bring back Firefly!
POSTED BY: browncoatsriseagain
UPDATED: Thursday, March 16, 2006 23:06
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Originally posted by mrben:
OK - I don't mean to be callous about this, but one of my major problems is that if I'm giving money to Firefly, then I want it to go to Firefly, not some charity, whether or not Joss happens to support it. (I already give to charity on a regular basis, and have nothing against it per se, FYI). That's why I suggested the pledgebank idea, whereby people pledge money, but if it ain't gonna happen, then they don't gotta pay.
Everyone would agree to something along the lines of "If Fox agree to release the rights to the show to Joss, and there is another 12 (or 24) episodes of Firefly promised, then I will donate $x towards the costs incurred." Then you add up all the money, take off a % to guesstimate those who would drop out, and then you have an actual proposal to go to Joss/Fox with, but without the danger of them turning around and saying "Nope, I'm sorry, not going to happen." and you being stuck with $28m(or whatever) which will have to go to a charity. Quite apart from that, I suspect it places unnecessary burden on Joss to have to make the decision of where to place $xx million of other peoples money.
mrben
"Carpe Aptenodytes"
http://www.jedimoose.org]
I want to like this idea because it makes things so much simpler, but here are my thoughts...
Studio executives are run by money - not promises of money. I don't see them taking something like that as seriously as 'real' money. Many of them still think of the internet as a fad.
Joss is bound and determined to make this happen. No matter what we raise I think it will go to future Firefly production.
I am a trustworthy indvidual and that will become clear over the next few weeks. I know it sounds like hot air right now because it is so new sounding to your ears. After a month of our website sticking around and that ticker amount rising maybe it will sound different.
If it doesn't, please don't donate. If it starts to move you, then by all means, please do.
Thanks for your continued participation and desire to see Firefly leave atmo.
Andrew Schultz
www.browncoatsriseagain.com
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Originally posted by GrimJack21502:
Our time is now.
I think that it is up to the forefathers and foremothers of the Firefly/Serenity Web presence to unite and offer several different courses of action. Post these ideas on the web-ring and let our verse decide on the best campaign.
To be honest raising money is probably the easiest thing to do...but it also offers the most problems (trust issues, entity formation, etc.). I always thought a show of force strikes "greed" into the hearts of tv execs.
According to our tale, Serenity was "born" out of the battle of Serenity Valley. I feel we need a rallying point as well.
What would Fox think if this Summer (say the weekend of San Diego Comic Con) thousands of Browncoats appeared around their studios peacefully protesting for the "release of our friends"?
The press would eat it up especially if we raised money on site and donated it to charity in the name of the Browncoats.
It is all about politics and a need to respond.
If we forced FOX to address us, it's a start.
"And once you're gone, you can never come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black"
-Neil Young
The actions you are talking about sound great! Our ideas are not mutually exclusive. We CAN do them all. I would be up for particpating. Let me know how the organizing goes and if I can be of any help.
Andrew Schultz
www.browncoatsriseagain.com
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Just an FYI,
The fund is starting to get donations. I had 4 in the last 10 minutes including 1 $50!
Thanks to those who donated and to those who haven't yet, I know you will when the time is right.
Andrew Schultz
www.browncoatsriseagain.com
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hey its great how enthusiastic you are bout raisin this money but we must all go back to the fact that paypal isn't exactly the safest of venues and a collection of money of that size in one account even for a short time before its moved into an actual bank account is still untrustworthy....not to mention the fact that you have a separate website and partner in a different career in which you are tryin to be successful...how do we know this money wont go to fund your other endeavors?
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also...maybe u should update the running price total more then once a week so that we know and can see a running total more frequently...i.e. if theres 1,ooo dollars in a fund and we only see the 387 on the page, how do we know theres 1,000 dollars or that its being saved...we need a running total and a investment log on the page to show when, who, how much, and how the money was donated to your page. we can't just see that theres money in a fund without the details and red tape.
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Originally posted by impression:
hey its great how enthusiastic you are bout raisin this money but we must all go back to the fact that paypal isn't exactly the safest of venues and a collection of money of that size in one account even for a short time before its moved into an actual bank account is still untrustworthy....not to mention the fact that you have a separate website and partner in a different career in which you are tryin to be successful...how do we know this money wont go to fund your other endeavors?
Paypal was a beginning. It is a test to make sure that it was going to be worth it to spend my own time and money starting a non-profit and opening a merchant account.
We now have over $700 in donations. I originally thought of updating weekly as I thought donations would trickle in at first. I will change the website and will update at least once a day.
The fact that my partner and I have separate careers and are very successful in them should be a reassurance. I promise that this money (minus the credit card fees) will go to Firefly production.
This is purely an act of love on Ty's and my part of the 'verse and the possibilities that this opens up for future media projects and future Joss Whedons.
If you feel unsure, please don't donate. When you do feel sure, please do donate.
Thanks for the concerns. Keep them coming!
Andrew Schultz
www.browncoatsriseagain.com
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Originally posted by Anonymous1:
It has been tried before with Enterprise and it fell apart.
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Originally posted by browncoatsriseagain:
I don't understand the early comment. We aren't trying to stop Joss or Fox or Universal from doing anything.
Enterprise was a show on UPN (as in the latest Star Trek show-even though it did not have the word Star Trek in the name). Fans got together and raised over a million dollars to have another
season. Things fell apart. UPN said No. I remember reading about it on the Internet.
I am saying Joss cannot make Firefly or Serenity without their permission. Fox can stop Joss from making anything Firefly. Universal can stop Joss from making anything Serenity.
It is too early to collect money.
Universal has to make a decision first on whether to fund a sequel or not. And then whether to do something with their SciFi channel.
Please consider changing your idea to a pledge campaign. Collect email addresses and pledge amounts. If Universal says NO to a sequel, then be ready with Joss on board. At that point you can email your list with Joss's approved funding idea. Joss can even set up a production company and we can buy stock in it.
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Originally posted by impression:
also...maybe u should update the running price total more then once a week so that we know and can see a running total more frequently...i.e. if theres 1,ooo dollars in a fund and we only see the 387 on the page, how do we know theres 1,000 dollars or that its being saved...we need a running total and a investment log on the page to show when, who, how much, and how the money was donated to your page. we can't just see that theres money in a fund without the details and red tape.
I understand your concerns here, but there is a privacy issue. Some people may not want their donation public. As I said, I will update a least once a day the total amount. I will employ (at my own expense) an auditor and that report will be public as well.
In the meantime, only time can pass and trust build. For some that trust has come and they donated. For others, that trust hasn't materialized yet. Totally understandable and I am not going to pressure anyone.
Andrew
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Originally posted by Anonymous1:Quote:
Originally posted by Anonymous1:
It has been tried before with Enterprise and it fell apart.Quote:
Originally posted by browncoatsriseagain:
I don't understand the early comment. We aren't trying to stop Joss or Fox or Universal from doing anything.
Enterprise was a show on UPN (as in the latest Star Trek show-even though it did not have the word Star Trek in the name). Fans got together and raised over a million dollars to have another
season. Things fell apart. UPN said No. I remember reading about it on the Internet.
I am saying Joss cannot make Firefly or Serenity without their permission. Fox can stop Joss from making anything Firefly. Universal can stop Joss from making anything Serenity.
It is too early to collect money.
Universal has to make a decision first on whether to fund a sequel or not. And then whether to do something with their SciFi channel.
Please consider changing your idea to a pledge campaign. Collect email addresses and pledge amounts. If Universal says NO to a sequel, then be ready with Joss on board. At that point you can email your list with Joss's approved funding idea. Joss can even set up a production company and we can buy stock in it.
Here is what has changed in the world since the Enterprise fund-raiser:
TV series DVD releases became mainstream as executives saw the market.
Family Guy has come back on the air due to the
DVD market looking good. Firefly/Serenity has that and it can have this campaign as well.
Apple's iTunes started selling individual epsiodes for $2 opening the public up to the idea and what it might cost.
I think that only money will truly get Firefly on the air. Money in the form of continued top-seller DVDs and this campaign.
No one is being forced to give up their ideas in place of this one. Please consider started a pledge drive for those who don't want to donate now. I don't have the resources to cover that aspect as well.
Andrew Schultz
www.browncoatsriseagain.com
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This is the same bad idea as the Save Enterprise campaign. And it's run by someone equally shadowy. I don't know this guy from Adam and I certainly wouldn't give him any money. If the big dogs in the Firefly community want to get behind this guy after doing their homework on him, I'll be all for it, but not until.
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