An idea and a website to bring back Firefly!
POSTED BY: browncoatsriseagain
UPDATED: Thursday, March 16, 2006 23:06
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I would be happy to discuss either including or changing where the cash goes if that gets the ball rolling.
But I also plan on becoming a member of this community and others. Continuning on message for the long haul. This will show how serious I am and bring the trust you speak of.
I don't want anyone who doesn't trust this project to donate to it.
I know there is fear out there. I am asking you to donate what you are comfortable with. $25 is just a suggestion. Donate as little or as much as you want.
Andrew Schultz
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Originally posted by Zeek:
I like the idea and everything. My problem is the same as most of the others. Trust. I don't know you and don't trust you with my money. I know you've covered this. However, I want to second the notion that if you got some of the other community figure heads involved, that would generate some trust right away. I'd rather see that number soar quickly rather than extremly slowly.
Heck have one of them open a savings account and just transfer the paypal money to it weekly. Then they can report that they are actually getting the money and post their own tally. I really doubt any of them would steal from the community.
Also charity? Who cares about charity? I say the money goes to the Nathan Fillion to host the Late Show fund. Just me huh? Fine. But the other ideas are good.
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Before we even talk about money. We need to get all the Firefly and Serenity sites gathered into one site. Get all the users combined on one board. Get Browncoat radio and Firefly talk on the same program on the net. Get everyone together in one meeting place. Decided what we are trying to accomplish. Then worry about raising money to achieve it.
Talking money at this point is silly. We don't even know what we are raising money for.
This can all be done. We just need all the different web site operators to sit down and hash out getting it combined.
We can be mighty if we are all moving with one purpose.
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Originally posted by Wildhare:
Before we even talk about money. We need to get all the Firefly and Serenity sites gathered into one site. Get all the users combined on one board. Get Browncoat radio and Firefly talk on the same program on the net. Get everyone together in one meeting place. Decided what we are trying to accomplish. Then worry about raising money to achieve it.
Talking money at this point is silly. We don't even know what we are raising money for.
This can all be done. We just need all the different web site operators to sit down and hash out getting it combined.
We can be mighty if we are all moving with one purpose.
It's my opinion (and that's all it is) that having a vareity of sites and strategies and ideas is what makes us strong.
I have an idea. It involves giving Joss leverage to re-introduce the 'verse how he sees fit. It's by talking the language of money to those who specialize in that language.
Please do follow through on your ideas. It's by everyone who can following through that we will succeed.
Our one purpose is seeing more stories of Firefly. Our movement can be together while individual efforts are separate.
Andrew Schultz
www.browncoatsriseagain.com
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Originally posted by browncoatsriseagain:
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It gets the idea out to the Browncoats where they can help shape and create it in their own image rather than a lawyer's. I'm a big boy and know I can get into legal trouble. Not all of life is about avoiding trouble - isn't that why we like this show?
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That is why we have to TRULY misbehave. We are going to have to go against what society tells us, what the naysayers will tell us, and even what Joss or Mutant Enemy might tell us.
It is up to us. We can hope for the future of this 'verse or we can actively fight for it.
If you feel moved, donate. If you don't, please don't but let us know what stopped you.
I gotta say, Andrew, you're my kind of stupid.
I won't be donating money anytime soon - I just don't have much to speculate with on a tv show. (And if I did, I would need to more carefully judge your personal credibility, competence, and commitment, as well as the real possibility of success, before choosing your plan over any of the others that have been proposed.) But I do support what you are trying to do.
We are on the cusp of revolution in media distribution, and there is no reason other than institutional maintenence of the status quo for this type of paradigm to be dismissed. It is going to happen for some show...and damn if I don't want it to be Firefly.
Oh, and I have to ask... You're not, like, from Nigeria, right?
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Ain't. We. Just.
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Originally posted by Zeek:
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Also charity? Who cares about charity? I say the money goes to the Nathan Fillion to host the Late Show fund. Just me huh? Fine. But the other ideas are good.
Not just you, Zeek. Not just you.
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Ain't. We. Just.
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I gotta say, Andrew, you're my kind of stupid.
I won't be donating money anytime soon - I just don't have much to speculate with on a tv show. (And if I did, I would need to more carefully judge your personal credibility, competence, and commitment, as well as the real possibility of success, before choosing your plan over any of the others that have been proposed.) But I do support what you are trying to do.
We are on the cusp of revolution in media distribution, and there is no reason other than institutional maintenence of the status quo for this type of paradigm to be dismissed. It is going to happen for some show...and damn if I don't want it to be Firefly.
Oh, and I have to ask... You're not, like, from Nigeria, right?
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Ain't. We. Just.
Ha ha. I'm from San Diego, CA. I own a company named BoxlineBox that does live and edited video production for medical device manufacturers and doctors.
My partner in this is named Ty Mabrey. He owns a website and animation production company called BangZoomPow.
I am 34 years old and own a condo near downtown. I have 2.5 year old twin boys. I drive a white Mini Cooper named "Lily".
It is a revolution we are witnessing. I want to be part of it as well.
I appreciate your appreciation for the idea. I would ask that if you believe in it that you might donate some small amount?
I have to say it again. We don't have to choose one plan. We need to attack this from as many different angles as we can muster.
Andrew Schultz
www.browncoatsriseagain.com
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I would just like to point out something.
Princess bride was much like firefly. When the movie came out, the film makers didn't know how to promote it, so it didn't grab people, but over the years so many people heard over word of mouth that it generated far more revenues then was expected at the first.
The difference is Firefly already had a huge audience when it came out. The populairity of Princess bride made them come out with a DVD with extra features a year or so ago. I have it, its really great, but we can't wait that long. We have the people, we can spread this verse threw the whole world, while they only had America and England, and we can market on our own.
That being said, I like the money giving idea, but don't think it would work. I think if Joss set up the account people would litterally pour in to donate, but we don't know you, and we don't trust you. I'm not in the money bussiness, so most of what your saying as assurances sounds like hot air to me.
I think people need to focus on getting this verse spread. I am greatly for, however, making a super site, where we can go to find out how many actuale fans there are, how many we're getting new every day. Thats very important info, because it tells us how well we're doing at recruiting.
Another thing I would like to sugjest is internet recruiting. We should try to get on sites that are created for related subjects, and push firefly. I have already started doing this, but I think we need more people to do stuff. Have the star Treck fans heard of us? How bout the long quiet Roswell fans? Is there anyway to ally with all these fan bases? To form an allaince?
To me this is the standing ground. To long have the TV people kicked good sci fi aside for crapy realaity shows, for dumb sit coms. Can we get the other sci fi fans who want to stand for sci fi? Stand to beat the TV's who would take away all the good programs that we love? What do you guys think?
If you play Nationstates.net check out the region Firefly.
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I think gettin all them other shows is a great rallying point and it seems as of late that reality shows are losing their ground and the eerie, scifi like televisions shows (i.e. Lost, Supernatural, etc), granted not totally scifi but still they give a sense of mystery and adventure of the unknown that maybe firefly has a better chance then we think if we just pushed it right.
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OK - I don't mean to be callous about this, but one of my major problems is that if I'm giving money to Firefly, then I want it to go to Firefly, not some charity, whether or not Joss happens to support it. (I already give to charity on a regular basis, and have nothing against it per se, FYI). That's why I suggested the pledgebank idea, whereby people pledge money, but if it ain't gonna happen, then they don't gotta pay.
Everyone would agree to something along the lines of "If Fox agree to release the rights to the show to Joss, and there is another 12 (or 24) episodes of Firefly promised, then I will donate $x towards the costs incurred." Then you add up all the money, take off a % to guesstimate those who would drop out, and then you have an actual proposal to go to Joss/Fox with, but without the danger of them turning around and saying "Nope, I'm sorry, not going to happen." and you being stuck with $28m(or whatever) which will have to go to a charity. Quite apart from that, I suspect it places unnecessary burden on Joss to have to make the decision of where to place $xx million of other peoples money.
mrben
"Carpe Aptenodytes"
http://www.jedimoose.org
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Our time is now.
I think that it is up to the forefathers and foremothers of the Firefly/Serenity Web presence to unite and offer several different courses of action. Post these ideas on the web-ring and let our verse decide on the best campaign.
To be honest raising money is probably the easiest thing to do...but it also offers the most problems (trust issues, entity formation, etc.). I always thought a show of force strikes "greed" into the hearts of tv execs.
According to our tale, Serenity was "born" out of the battle of Serenity Valley. I feel we need a rallying point as well.
What would Fox think if this Summer (say the weekend of San Diego Comic Con) thousands of Browncoats appeared around their studios peacefully protesting for the "release of our friends"?
The press would eat it up especially if we raised money on site and donated it to charity in the name of the Browncoats.
It is all about politics and a need to respond.
If we forced FOX to address us, it's a start.
"And once you're gone, you can never come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black"
-Neil Young
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