An idea and a website to bring back Firefly!
POSTED BY: browncoatsriseagain
UPDATED: Thursday, March 16, 2006 23:06
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Originally posted by browncoatsriseagain:
Let's do something new. Let's show the entertainment industry that we are really serious about this. Let's put our money where our mouth is.
It has been tried before with Enterprise and it fell apart.
It is too early to do this. 20th Century Fox owns Firefly. Universal owns the rights to Serenity and has not yet made a decision on whether they will make a sequel or not. If they say No, Joss gets to pitch around for a TV show. Joss cannot produce Firefly without 20th Century Fox's permission or Serenity without Universal's permission.
The entertainment industry is watching the DVD sales and Dvd rentals. Put our money where our mouth is. Keep buying Serenity DVDs. Get people to rent Serenity. Birthday gifts. Charity drives. Libraries. Buy other official Universal Serenity stuff.
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Wow, that last post made a lot of people comfortable I bet... Even if you have good intentions (or rather, especially if you do). I think you owe it to the people to guarantee somehow this money is used appropriately. I mean what if firefly goes down in flames, do you just disappear into the night with the loot?
Once again you very well may have good intentions, but this has the makings for a great con-job. Whether you mean to or not, you have prey upon the browncoats generosity and put a large number of them in quite a position by proposing such a loosely structured plan.
If you're going to do it, do it right.
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We need a concerted effort here as I said before. I don't think we need to pay money to convince them. I think we simply need enough numbers for them to realize that they can make advertising revenue dollars off of the series.
The campaign to get Serenity and Firefly on every U.S. Navy vessel is one such way to expand our fan base. we might want to extend it to include Naval Bases, Army Forts and Marine Camps as well.
"You can't take the sky from me..."
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Well I don't know where to post this but:
I personally am a core member of what would best be described as the "target audience". And yet not once did I see any advertisements or even hear about this show until after the movie came out. If people do not inform their target audience that something even exists, how in the world are they planning on selling it?
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I AM doing it right. If you look at our website you will see that I addressed your concern. If we don't raise enough money or production of Firefly cannot be done, the money will be donated to a charity of Joss' choosing.
I guarantee that I will not make a dime off of this. I am spending my own money to host the site, set up legal and financial representation and applying for non-profit status.
In my last post I was addressing the fact that trust is built over time. You don't know me and the only way to change that is with time. I apologize if it made anyone feel like I was trying to get out of any responsiblity to the money. That is what a steward is. A responsible party.
I am pushing this forward to get exactly this kind of response so I know what troubles a Browncoat that he or she doesn't want to participate, so thank you for your concern!
Andrew Schultz
www.browncoatsriseagain.com
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Originally posted by SheUnderstands:
Wow, that last post made a lot of people comfortable I bet... Even if you have good intentions (or rather, especially if you do). I think you owe it to the people to guarantee somehow this money is used appropriately. I mean what if firefly goes down in flames, do you just disappear into the night with the loot?
Once again you very well may have good intentions, but this has the makings for a great con-job. Whether you mean to or not, you have prey upon the browncoats generosity and put a large number of them in quite a position by proposing such a loosely structured plan.
If you're going to do it, do it right.
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Since this is just in the idea stages. Someone being legitimate is irrelevant. There are many Browncoats out in the world and all of them have ideas.
Pressing problems I see right now is we are not centralized. We have lots of Browncoats with lots of ideas and resources and no central place to conduct our business.
1. We need a central place to gather and share ideas and resources so we can find what our numbers actually are. Are their 10,000 hard core Browncoats or are there 1 million. I have no idea but that is something I would like to know.
2. We need to figure out what our goals are. What do we want? What are we trying to achieve? Are we trying to buy the Rights to Firefly so we can control the future of the show or are we trying to raise funds for another Serenity?
4. Contact and work with the actors to determine if they are even interested in continuing the "verse". They may not want their acting carriers to take that turn. Let’s use Gilligan from Gilligan’s Island as an Example. He was always Gilligan and really was never able to get beyond that, and I think it ruined his carrier. These folks may want more for themselves. So we are going to have to be a legitimate group to even discuss this issue with them
I believe much of this can be achieved. Its going to take dedicated people working in force of numbers all moving in one direction with a purpose.
To my knowledge nothing like this has ever been attempted. No fan group has ever tried to take it to another level and use their force of numbers to change the history and life of a show.
Or we can continue whoring our movie and show to our friends and family and hope that the numbers add up to something the massive movie industry sees as worth taking another look at.
Someone needs to take by the horns and get it rollin. This is my two cents.
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Originally posted by tanstaafl28:
We need a concerted effort here as I said before. I don't think we need to pay money to convince them. I think we simply need enough numbers for them to realize that they can make advertising revenue dollars off of the series.
The campaign to get Serenity and Firefly on every U.S. Navy vessel is one such way to expand our fan base. we might want to extend it to include Naval Bases, Army Forts and Marine Camps as well.
That is a great idea as well and works within the existing entertainment industry structure. I hope that you are following through on that idea.
I am proposing another way of working outside the existing entertainment industry. It brings us to a place where the audience can support something they love directly rather than having advertisers pay for it.
Both ways work and both will be around for a long time. Nothing I am asking you to do here should stop any other ideas from flowing and being implemented.
By approaching this from multiple angles and multiple strategies we will get more of what we want.
Andrew Schultz
www.browncoatsriseagain.com
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Originally posted by Wildhare:
Since this is just in the idea stages. Someone being legitimate is irrelevant. There are many Browncoats out in the world and all of them have ideas.
Pressing problems I see right now is we are not centralized. We have lots of Browncoats with lots of ideas and resources and no central place to conduct our business.
1. We need a central place to gather and share ideas and resources so we can find what our numbers actually are. Are their 10,000 hard core Browncoats or are there 1 million. I have no idea but that is something I would like to know.
2. We need to figure out what our goals are. What do we want? What are we trying to achieve? Are we trying to buy the Rights to Firefly so we can control the future of the show or are we trying to raise funds for another Serenity?
4. Contact and work with the actors to determine if they are even interested in continuing the "verse". They may not want their acting carriers to take that turn. Let’s use Gilligan from Gilligan’s Island as an Example. He was always Gilligan and really was never able to get beyond that, and I think it ruined his carrier. These folks may want more for themselves. So we are going to have to be a legitimate group to even discuss this issue with them
I believe much of this can be achieved. Its going to take dedicated people working in force of numbers all moving in one direction with a purpose.
To my knowledge nothing like this has ever been attempted. No fan group has ever tried to take it to another level and use their force of numbers to change the history and life of a show.
Or we can continue whoring our movie and show to our friends and family and hope that the numbers add up to something the massive movie industry sees as worth taking another look at.
Someone needs to take by the horns and get it rollin. This is my two cents.
Absolutely! Also ideas and plans don't have to cancel each other out. We have room for a lot of different strategies.
Some of the questions above will be partially answered by how many donations come in over the next few weeks. Others become moot if we let Joss figure out how to best continue the story of Firefly. He (meaning his team and himself) knows the contract best and knows what avenues have been exhausted and which haven't.
Let's keep the discussion going. I am thrilled that it has brought the response is has so far. We need critical eyes on this at every crossroad and decision.
Andrew Schultz
www.browncoatsriseagain.com
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Originally posted by browncoatsriseagain:
Let's do something new. Let's show the entertainment industry that we are really serious about this. Let's put our money where our mouth is.
It has been tried before with Enterprise and it fell apart.
It is too early to do this. 20th Century Fox owns Firefly. Universal owns the rights to Serenity and has not yet made a decision on whether they will make a sequel or not. If they say No, Joss gets to pitch around for a TV show. Joss cannot produce Firefly without 20th Century Fox's permission or Serenity without Universal's permission.
The entertainment industry is watching the DVD sales and Dvd rentals. Put our money where our mouth is. Keep buying Serenity DVDs. Get people to rent Serenity. Birthday gifts. Charity drives. Libraries. Buy other official Universal Serenity stuff.
I don't understand the early comment. We aren't trying to stop Joss or Fox or Universal from doing anything. We are showing all of the above that there is a viable audience. We are gathering leverage for Joss to be able to do his vision the best way he see to do it. We aren't demanding anything except that Firefly needs to continue. If that includes involement from Fox, why not?
Joss can work with Universal or Fox to release a straight to DVD, or bring it back to TV, or a sequel. It his money to do with as he sees fit to bring back the 'verse.
Please do continue to buy the DVD, rent it, birthday gifts, etc. I am asking that in addition to all of the good works done so far, let's make a new pitch that allows us more input into the final decision.
For some $25 is a real stretch. For others it is no big deal. Donate what you can - every dollar, euro or whatever will help change the ideas that film and TV executives have about their audience.
Andrew Schultz
www.browncoatsriseagain.com
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I like the idea and everything. My problem is the same as most of the others. Trust. I don't know you and don't trust you with my money. I know you've covered this. However, I want to second the notion that if you got some of the other community figure heads involved, that would generate some trust right away. I'd rather see that number soar quickly rather than extremly slowly.
Heck have one of them open a savings account and just transfer the paypal money to it weekly. Then they can report that they are actually getting the money and post their own tally. I really doubt any of them would steal from the community.
Also charity? Who cares about charity? I say the money goes to the Nathan Fillion to host the Late Show fund. Just me huh? Fine. But the other ideas are good.
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