Have you guys seen this?
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UPDATED: Thursday, February 2, 2006 03:57
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Psolaris: Stop apologizing. Ok you're happy to talk with me. Good for you. Good for me. Let's grouphug, sing kumbayah, hold hands, and fly to the moon in a balloon powered by happiness. You forget. I like you most when you're in a fighting mood.
And ok... I believe on "some" level you were'nt PM'ng me cuz you were ashamed to be talking with me publicly (which in fact you were, but it's a moot point to argue over... and frankly it just doesn't fit into the lyrics of kumbayah).
But... before we argue films lets address this fantastical horseshit reason "why" you don't want to debate films here. Cuz we're off-topic and we don't want to offend the rest of the whedonesquers. Fuck'm. I hope that clears it up. Ok it prolly doesn't so let's tide them over. Joss Whedon is jesus christ incarnate and anything he puts on film is the undebateable and untouchable gospel of god. Holy fuck he is god! I'm not gay but I will be for just this one moment of time so I can worship him... I wanna be the mother of Joss Whedon's children. If Joss Whedon had boobs and a kickin bod, and wore lots of lingerie, I would willingly be mother of his children (just as long as he puts a paper bag over his melon when I have to perform my wifely duties... ok this is getting too horrific for even my twisted imagination, time for a new tact).
Forget that I'm straight and lack the plumbing for childbirth. I'll have a sex change and bear him many fruit cuz I wanna be the mother of Joss Whedon's children. There... ya happy? Ya think the whedonesquers will be satisfied? Perhaps instead I need to play it straight, be fruitful and multiply, and sacrifice my 1st-born? Phtphtpht.
Oh smheg the hatemail is just gonna pour in now. Ok this is still kinda creepy and revolting. Ick.
Hows about we just say fuck'm? Fuck'm. There, I said it. We have a free pass to talk about whatever floats our boat. Can you honestly say you give a shit what anyone else here thinks? Well can you? Who gives a fuck. I sure as shit don't. Neither should you. But hey, you wanna be one of them, then go for it. Whatever floats your boat. I never have been able to stay on topic for long anyhow.
Back to flicks...
Ok. Baran. Ya you're being all americanized in your view of that flick. Lower your standards and presume no hidden agenda crap buried in the film. It's just "in your face" storytelling. No presumptuous hidden meanings. No esoteric attempts at illustrating some greater meaning. It's just raw acting around a script that presumes nothing. That's why it's so fookin beautiful. And BTW Iranian women are allowed to talk in films so long as they are in some submissive traditional role. Majidi's other films will bare that out. The silence of Baran was purely artistic. And given hollywood's endless love of overdoing dialogue with preachy sermons, maybe you can find it in yourself to see the art it in. Maybe. Hell... you wanna see a movie about the ugliness women there have to endure, go see "Osama". No, it has nothing to do with the filthy demonic mastermind of terror incorporated. It's an Afghan flick about the plight of women back when their country was ruled by Iranian-style talibs (i.e. ~ taliban). It's a very depressing film if you dare go see it. Real life is never a balloon trip to the moon though.
And no... there was no secret sexual liason between Lateef and Baran. Nor was there any implication of such a thing. That kind of suggestion would get Majidi marched off to a 6 day, 7 night, all expenses paid vacation at the local prison, full of glorious torture by the religious police. The film is what it is. It's straightforward storytelling. Accidental art of the highest order. If it had been made in hollywood, it would have been mindless porn with lots of kickass action straight out of a mountain dew commercial. Lateef wouldn't have just tackled the inspector. He would have karate chopped his ass off a cliff, grabbed hold of a helicopter, flew through a barage of machine-gun fire, wrestled a few genetically-engineered super alligators, etc. etc. You get the idea. Or
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Ok, well I'm glad that you believe me, even if it's only partially. And I don't have a problem talking over these waves here, so cool...let's continue on this route. But you're only partially right in trying too hard to impress the people here at this site. Sure, I enjoy these people quite a bit, and I'm having fun talking to all of them, and I do like everyone here. However I'm mindful and respectful of everyone I meet.
The more I thought about Baran, the more I started realizing that I was Americanizing the ending. I may be naive to their culture, however I've got a pretty good idea of their religious beliefs (believe it or not, I've read some of the Koran) and I do know that some of their culture is based off of their religious beliefs . And I thought to myself that in no way could that kind of suggestion be made, even remotely, without repercussions of some kind. So once I started putting two and two together, I started appreciating the story more. The final look that Baran and Lateef share before Baran leaves said a whole mouthful, without saying one word...and that itself is beautiful.
I also got to thinking more about the fact that I know that there are Iranian female actors...I've read about them, seen pictures and read reviews on them and such. So my logical thinking ended up kicking in and realized that there's no way that every movie Iran makes all women stay silent the entire time, that just didn't make any sense. So the more I did chew on the movie, the more I understood what was going on, the clearer the picture became. Absolutely I do appreciate the artistic value now that I see it for what it is.
And from the sounds of it, I'm preparing myself for either rave reviews or absolute hatred of either Depp or Burton. Personally, yes I am a fan of both. Depp's good looks aside (he could be as ugly as sin and I'd still think this about him), he's got talent! He has more versatility in his little finger than most of Hollywood does put together. But that's just my humble opinion. And I like Burton's eclectic style and vision. He's the kind of director that I feel takes it to a whole new level, and I just enjoy that. And when the two of them collaberate on something, it's music. Absolutely beautiful music.
And as to your three hour trek to rent foreign flick, just as a suggestion, have you tried something like Netflicks? Have them come to you rather than you having to drive all over. I've not ever used them myself, so I don't even know if they have a good supply of foreign films, but it was just a thought.
Psolaris
"Ten percent of nuthin' is...let me do the math here...nuthin' into nuthin'...carry the nuthin'"
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So I'll translate that to mean you don't know where I can get foreign flicks. Crud. Guess my only hope is to buy them terribly overpriced online. My local Movie Gallery does stock some foreign films, but they're all Asian. Not that I'm complaining about that cuz I like Asian films, but that's a very limited view. Which, by the way, if you get a chance, check out White Dragon. That's a truly funny movie.
By the way, what the hell is netflicks?
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Netflicks is an internet service that allows you to rent movies online. They are delivered to your door and you watch them whenever you want, and return them in a pre-stamped envelope. There is a monthly fee for the service, however there are no late fees or anything. Here's there site:
http://www.netflix.com/Default
Not sure if there are extra fees for Canadian currency, but might not be a bad idea to check it out so you can see these foreign films. 
Psolaris
"Ten percent of nuthin' is...let me do the math here...nuthin' into nuthin'...carry the nuthin'"
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Thanks for the link. It looks like I can't use it though. Nowhere on the site (that I can see) is there anything about shipping to Canada/paying in Canadian money. Oh well. Maybe there's a Canadian equivalent somewhere.
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This might have been a hasty remark by Joss.
As I understand it, the movie got made because the series on DVD was selling like hotcakes at Amazon. Now the movie is on DVD and it's selling like hotcakes on Amazon.
I think the best thing we can do to counter this is keep spreading the word amongst all the browncoats the world over.
"You can't take the sky from me..."
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Sorry about the harshness of that last post. I just reread it and whoa, I was brutal (I say that with all due sarcasm). Ok I'm not really sorry. I don't regret anything I said but tact and diplomacy while speaking is an art lost on me. Basically I am no fookin good when it comes to lieing my ass off. Can't strike that balance required so as not to offend anyone. Couldn't be helped. I'd just come from a double dose of hollywood at it's finest. Went to see "Aeon Flux" and "Bloodrayne" back-2-back. These movies didn't just suck. They were so bad, I'm psychologically traumatized. I also just went to see "Brokeback Mountain". I can now imagine what a 97 year old virginal maiden must feel like after seeing a penis for the first time. Pure trauma. It was that bad. Almost as bad as seeing 2 "cowboy" sheepherders have raunchy oscar-worthy gay sex in a tent on top of some mountain. Hollymonopolywood is massaging itself in the mirror, smearing globs of oil on it's all-seeing erect nipple, pulling out all the stops for this film. The self-righteous whores are tapping every shmooze-me critic gloryhound they have to cllaim "Brokeback Mountain" is akin to the 2nd coming of christ. Jesus would be pissed if he had to sit through even 20 minutes of this hideous film. But hey. It's opressed gay guys who just wanna love and be loved. It's a cowboy movie. This is the best cowboy movie ever. Period. No arguing, it just is. Cuz the academy says so. Good enough for me. Thanks hollywood. 3 horrific films. You people are driving me to drink! At least the gay cowboy flick was even remotely interesting and believable.
To actually see "Brokeback Mountain", I had to go find the little artsy-ass theatre showing it in the middle of bum-fuck egypt. Too much effort so that I might partake of this spectacle. But I guess that's part of the ploy of making it great. Make it hard to see after talking it up way way way too much. I'm waiting for them to start whining about how it was somehow "blacklisted" from theatres even though the fuckers who make the films own the ironfisted chokehold monopoly on distribution and control. They control which theatres will show which films. Nothing makes a film more marketable than to stir up a fake controversy around it. It's why Serenity was so lacklustre. Cuz Mal wasn't the ambiguously gay skipper of Gilligan's Isle... he lacked a sappy bohunk like Gilligan whose mostly-naked muscular body would glisten with sweat in perfectly lighted scenes while skipper secretly ogled him. It didn't have the masturbatory glee that hollywood gets all worked up over. And it had a fanbase the critics love to point their fingers at and say "LOOK! Look at those ignorant assclowns who worship Whedon! This movies sucks on the basis of that alone!"
"Brokeback Mountain" was not exactly mainstream theatre material. Ya, I went out of my way to see it. I wish hollywood would make hetero love stories about forbidden angst like this. Well, they do. It usually stars Meg Ryan or Julia Roberts and some other up-and-coming hollywood hack who is about to have his neverending 15 minutes of orchestrated fame. With even half the invested thought, and 1/1000th the critical attention, those crapass films could be worth watching. But newp, they can't be. Yet this movie somehow is supposed to be. The gayness of the film still grosses me out, but all in all it was a decent flick. Oscar-nod time for the 2 straight guys makin gay love films. If hollywood weren't such patronizing whores, they'd have actually cast a couple of up-and-coming gay dudes to play the leads for this film. But newp. Woudn't have the same air of controversy. Just can't bring themselves to do it. It creeps me out seeing 2 dudes kissing and gettin all nasty in a tent, in fact I wanted to vomit, but hey... hollywood loves it. And Gyllenhal and Ledger are now being touted as box-office heartthrobs in the very hetero-istic film world. If I were gay (and I'm not), I'd see that blatant shmoozing for what it is. But this was a time to trump the great sex appeal of Gyllenhal and Ledger. Being he
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Whew man!! You brain don't stop do it? Now you see what I was talking about before about blogging, even though you don't like blogging...but you just have this talent for letting it all spill...whatever it is on your mind (very reminicent of your Mr. Fingers actually). Talent like that shouldn't go to waste. Well, it's not going to waste I suppose...I'm sitting here reading it.
Good thing I didn't go and see Aeon Flux after all. I came damn close to, but something else came up and me and my friend didn't go, and then we started hearing crappy stuff from it and decided it might be best to keep away. And Bloodrayne, I took one look at the commercials for that and rolled my eyes. And how pissed am I that Ben Kingsly is in it!! One of my favorite actors of all time and he does this?!?!?! 
I am picky...and I mean damn picky at what I watch. I hate brainless entertainment for the most part. Don't get me wrong, there's a time and place for it, and I'll even induldge if I'm in the mood, but for the most part it pisses me off to no end that there's very little out there worth shit. The television nowadays is pathetic viewing (Skating with the Stars...are you kidding me!! 
). Reality TV is poison. And as of recently, I've really noticed how much less I go to the movies anymore. I used to go about once a month at least, but it's hardly ever these days. I actually MISS the days where I looked forward to going to the newest movie coming out. sigh
Hurry up and tell me your thoughts on Depp and Burton man, the suspense is killing me. (Ok, it's really not, but I'm damn curious as to what you have to say)
Psolaris
"Ten percent of nuthin' is...let me do the math here...nuthin' into nuthin'...carry the nuthin'"
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Wow, XG, when you write, you really don't fool around, do you? What a post! And as always, you have some really excellent points. Hollywood is a load of narcissistic (sp?) freaks who think they know what good entertainment is. They don't. Any Japanese anime I've ever seen blows the socks off Hollywood's "best" flicks. Actually, most of Hollywood's actual best flicks are the ones that Hollywood bashes. Which just goes to show you how much they know.
I'll probably still go see Aeon Flux because I wanted to when I saw the previews for it. I only trust my opinion, so I go to see any movie that I want to, even if people bad-mouth it beforehand. Sometimes this leads me to see utterly boring pieces of crap (The Others) but at the very least I can still make fun of them.
I'll definitely check out those two films you recommended. Also, can you tell me a selection of Akira Kurosawa's best works? I've heard the name before, but I don't know what he's done.
And for the record, Psolaris, I think Johnny Depp was absolutely stellar in the Pirates of the Carribean. Should have won an Oscar for that, but didn't because it wasn't a "serious art" film. Further proof of the crap that is Hollywood.
Edit: Oh, and if I ever actually had to watch any of the reality shows on television, I think I would have to stab myself in the eye. Actually both eyes, so I couldn't see it anymore. 
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Originally posted by queenofthenorth:
Also, can you tell me a selection of Akira Kurosawa's best works? I've heard the name before, but I don't know what he's done.
Ahhhhh Kurosawa!! One damn fine Japanese film-maker. Most well known for making Samurai movies that not only have great story lines, but beautiful fight scenes that rival the best ballet you've seen. So beautifully choreographed, I watch in awe every time I see his works. Believe it or not, much of this man's influence was Shakespeare himself. If you are familiar with Shakespeare, and you watch a Kurosawa film, you'll catch it. From King Lear, to Hamlet, and even MacBeth. Boy do I love that film-maker. I could just go on and on......
Seven Samurai is indeed one of his, and it was remade into the well known western The Magnificent Seven. Yojimbo is also one of his, and that was also remade into another western called A Fistfull of Dollars
. There is one called Rashomon (sp?), and The Hidden Fortress, Stray Dog, Drunken Angel, and Ran (I'm giving you the english names of them, for my japanese spelling and diction doesn't exist). I hope you can experience him Queeny. I think you'll like.Quote:
Edit: Oh, and if I ever actually had to watch any of the reality shows on television, I think I would have to stab myself in the eye. Actually both eyes, so I couldn't see it anymore.
LOL. I hear you on that. It's all poison I say! I hate that this crap is on the air....HATE IT!! People out there that watch this...I beg you, STOP! You're only encouraging them! Ok, I know that don't work and you all will watch anyway. sigh
PS...XG, I hope your head feels alright when you awaken. Getting sloshed and falling asleep, then waking up the next day and having to go to work sucks balls. I hope you got the rest you needed.
Psolaris
"Ten percent of nuthin' is...let me do the math here...nuthin' into nuthin'...carry the nuthin'"
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