Have you guys seen this?
POSTED BY: gypsylife
UPDATED: Thursday, February 2, 2006 03:57
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I live in Germany and I saw the first advertisment for it just before christmas. it lasted 30 secs on tv only once and that was it.
folks I'm sorry but someone wanted this film to fail.I then had to look for it on base (Ramstein)
they had no rentals but I bought a copy.
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Ahh my fate is inescapable. It's in my nature to never turn a blind eye to a challenge. I'm back to the analogy of a dog chasing a tennisball thrown into busy traffic.
Ooka: I stand by what I said. You're wishywashy, and a flake. And a guy who delights in editing his posts. You fraudulent fucker you. You're not gonna buy Queeny's book. You've already excused yourself out of it. You poor oppressed impoverished college grad. You have all my sympathies. When you aren't taking ski trips of jetsetting around the globe and hobknobbing with important people in the orient, youhave to languish away in the faint hope that you can somehow scrape up some meager coinage and buy a very low priced copy of Queeny's book. Maybe.
I've smelled the stench of bullshittery on you the first time you posted on this thread.
River:
Ahh. Apparently it's still not en vogue to speak with me, except to throw around one liners. You magnificent bastard-ess you!
I have my own arsenal of one liners. Here take this!
"You get down with your bad self!"
Don't make me have to break out "You go girl!". I'd never dare approach that level of hipness.
XG
don't disturb me again. my concentration on the fine art of dishwashery and floormoppery must never again be broken. great and epic deeds that will shake the world down to it's core are happening in the minimum wage world. i'm leading a rebellion among my people. we want to be bumped up to frycookery and windowwashery. it's a social revolution to advance the subhuman race.
Time for some beerdrinkery.
No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.
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That's why I made my own Little Damn Movie, or at least a FF music video.
http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2006/01/8310.php
"You can't stop the signal!"
-Mr Universe, STM, Pirate TV
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XG, Thanks for clearfying cause your last post had me wondering what you were talking about. Welcome to life son, yes I have expenses and other things going on in my life. I won't waste the breath or either of our time here. I was planning on buying the book before I got involved in the discussion etc. Now you seem to think I won't buy it. Fine thats your opinion and keep thinking that way. But like I told Queen, I will support her and buy it. I do have my honor. So I will keep to my word. If you don't believe thats up to you. Thats my say on that.
mata, Ookami yori
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Ooka: buy her book and read it. Shut the fuck up already. Money where your mouth is. Too much mouth, too little money.
Maybe River6213 can do the same (but she's a "surly bitch" which loosely translates to butch lesbian in my book). Maybe she can take a break from lesbianistic manhating long enough to support our resident artisan (Queeny). Probably not. We need a howling she-homo barking at the moon. My Jr. High School lesbian gym teacher would love her. They'd be reciting french poetry together.
River: shell out some coinage and buy queeny's book. Then we can fight. You silly lesbian you. You my ex-gym teacher? There. You got your desperately desired enticement to come fight me. I'd love to kick your ass after giving me a fuckin "D" in gym. You lesbo she-witch you.
XG
you love it. admit it! you love it. you people love to stare at car accidents on the highway, watch crippled animals you hit with your car die in the the rear view mirror as you drive away, and drool & howl with insane bloodlust at public fights. and you love hearing self-righteous pricks like me rant about people like you.
No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.
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Psolaris and Queeny: pay no mind to that little personal conflict with me and river90210. she's part of a crowd of people who regard me as a "dessicated abortion". NOTE: as vulgar and crude as I may be in the curseword department, I don't invent nastiness like that. Yours truly is a "dessicated abortion" in the minds of the incrowd of whedonesque'rs. His name be praised.
never let it be said I'm not a man of my word. (i'm honoring the occasional xg-declared holiday of caps boycott)
depp and burton:
depp can't act. period. his acting sucks. zero talent there. but hey, some hollywood god from up on high is looking out for him. they cast him in roles that are always beyond his depth. better and more talented people could easily bring a certain kind of magic to those roles, but no. just gotta give that role to depp. an investment in his glorious greatness. he's the next john wayne. the next pacino. the next eastwood. the next whatever. at least they want him to be. talent has nothing to do with it. it's about an investment in the "cult of personality" calculas. forget his bad acting. depp is the next big thing. because they say so. if critics had souls they'd say so. but they have bills to pay so they say depp is great. he's magical. he's marvelous. he's "laugh out loud" funny when he's starring in comedic roles, and he's brilliant in historical pieces. just gotta love his ability to deliver dialogue.
he has skill as an actor and enormous depth. do you have any grey poupon? but of course.
to allow "depp" and "depth" to appear in the same paragraph is a cardinal sin against all that is in good taste. to even allow those 2 words to coexist in the same fucking universe when speaking of him is an absolute heresy to art. curse us all!
but he's depp. 21 jumpstreet. just say "no". nancy reagan will breakdance in the nude if you do. i love depp. i love hipsters with hip-savvy hair styles fighting the drug epidemic since the 80s. mighty righteous and super sexy. if i were gay, i'd become a love slave for johnny depp. that's how fanatically devoted i am to the depp school of acting. but i'm not gay. and well... depp can't act. don't need to be schooled to see that.
if only greico had been anywhere near him in the sacredness scale, we'd have 2 zero talents to deal with, and hollywood would have more cannon fodder to throw at us. if only. depp should have suffered the fool's fate a long time ago. his acting ability is so goddamn'd horrendous that it's a crime for people to sell it. but they do. i just want to "say no" when it's time to watch another installment of depp on film. that dickschnitzel should have been condemned to a life of B-films and the "direct to DVD" blackhole for blacklisters and zero-talents years ago. but alas, we are stuck with him and his hackneyed slut acting. someone up there is watching out for depp. he's sacred. He ONLY survives up until now because his dark guardian angels use exhaustive and expensive resources to hire good directors, and superhuman subhumans for editing and sound crews to make this unbelievably worthless turd into something that would pass for an actor. such a fuckin waste. but hey, 300 mil for king kong (production + marketing) was a drop in the bucket (and greater than the gross national product of most 3rd world countries).
it's hollywood after all. they can make a stinking pile of shit sparkle like a fuckin diamond, and smell like a bouquet of roses. all that glitters is golden. i'd love to say depp has brilliantly chosen his roles like a man on a mission, like some kind of defiant veteran actor fighting the odds and hand-selecting challenging scripts. i'd love to say he stands for something noble. but nah. i won't. braindead is braindead is braindead. who needs talent when you're sacred? there's a thriving blacklist and B-film list of people who are a living testament to such things. they can get work to just barely pay the bills (caviar and executive suites in acapulco are expensive necessities), but they can't seem to go anywhere regardless of their level of ta
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Oh it pains my heart to hear you say that about Depp. It is however how you feel on the man, and I'll have to agree to disagree with you on his acting ability. I've been around performing arts all of my life. Just about everyone in my family has been involved in something, whether it be acting, music, stage management, dance, technical design, etc. And the reason I see Depp as a great performer is because he has such range. He's gone beyond the 21 Jump Street image, and he's no longer just the pretty boy that all the lovies drool over. I've stated before...good looks aside, I find him very talented. I'd be saying the same thing about him if he were unsightly. I will admit that there has been some things he's done that I didn't quite like. Ninth Gate for example...I wasn't quite fond of that one. He acting felt forced all the way through it. But I have enjoyed all else I've seen him in. One of my favorite things about this man is that he doesn't go around reminding Hollywood that he's Johnny Depp...he doesn't give a shit about it. Hollywood has to remind Johnny Depp that he's Johnny Depp. To him, he's just out there doing what he likes to do and getting paid for it. He's never liked the attention that is inevitable when you become famous. He does the least amount of interviews he possibly can when he makes a new film because of it.
Oh, and by the way XG and Queeny...I've just started reading Queeny's book. I cracked it open yesterday and began. I had another project I was working on (I like doing needlework) and wanted to finish it off first as I had very little left to do. So relatively soon, we can begin talking about her story.
Psolaris
"Ten percent of nuthin' is...let me do the math here...nuthin' into nuthin'...carry the nuthin'"
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Ya know. It's funny. I view "9th gate" as one of his better performances even though the story and plot sucked (that and "Nick of Time"). He kind of shined. Depp's acting as of late smells like someone who grows fat from success. You think it's forced but I say it's him actually acting in roles that fell outside his predictable limits. Ya he sucked in the end (cuz he can't act) but it was pure Depp. Like someone who still put their whole heart and soul into it (in spite of having no inherent talent yet a predetermined future).
Depp actually was believable as the bookwormy researcher type. And as the suit and tie guy trying to fight the timer to save his kid. In those films he spoke in his normal voice, and was hence believable. In "9th Gate" and "Nick of Time" I could suspend my disbelief long enough to imagine these weren't films. They were people facing a problem. Real people. Believable people. Real and believavle problems. He felt natural in those roles. But then he became sacred.
His other acting roles. Well, I won't get into those. Nothing positive to say and you are too much in love with him. Wouldn't much matter given that.
I grew to detest Depp when he started taking roles like the piratical sunbaked captain in "Pirates of the Carribean" and Icabod Crane in "Legend of Sleepy Hollow". He stopped being serious actor and started becoming iconic boxoffice trash. Playing to the crowds.
Ya know. They added the "sunbaked" dimension to the pirate captain character after filming started (or so I've heard). Once it became obvious he couldn't deliver the dialogue in the script in any way that would be believable, they had to improvise. They were stuck with a zero talent actor on a big budget film that absolutely had to succeed. Let's make him a retard and let him stumble around while he slurs and bumbles through the dialogue. Lay off the weed Depp. C'mon already you're in. Quickfix. Can't fire him and recast true talent. Gotta fix the script. But then that's hollywood. Rewrite scripts on the spot to counter the obvious lack of skill from a cast you're forced to work with. Don't fire the bastards and recast it. The suits forbid it. Executive decree. Just do a rewrite. Or hire a good editing and sound FX crew who can "fix" it. Gotta work with what you're stuck with. Turn this pile of shit into something that sparkles like diamonds.
Depp can't deliver dialogue. In spite of the rewrites, he was still unbelievable in the pirate flick. At least to me he was. It's his voice and pronunciation. He can't add a lil bass to his voice when he's trying to play machoistic leadman roles. His pronunciation of words and sentences when he's doing an Enlish accent is unbearably absurd. It's no better when he's trying to play Icabod Crane. I'm sorry I just wasn't buying it. It smelled like a Brooklyn NY plumber with a 6th grade education and a swollen tongue trying to do "Shakespeare in the park".
I notice these sorts of things. I can't help it. It stunk to high heaven. I have an ear for minor details.
You say he has range. I say he has no talent and is one of the "sacred" chosen few who shout "how high?" when told to jump, and do everything they are told to do to advance themselves. No souls, just pure ambition and a willingness to obey. They will go where told to go, do what told to do. I call people like that "whores". The public calls them box office stars.
Are you sure you aren't just maybe a little too much smitten with him Psolaris? Can you honestly judge Depp through the unforgiving lense of objectivity on talent alone?
XG
No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.
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Originally posted by XeroGravity:
Are you sure you aren't just maybe a little too much smitten with him Psolaris? Can you honestly judge Depp through the unforgiving lense of objectivity on talent alone?
No...not smitten. Do I find him easy on the eyes, oh yeah, absolutely. But that's not the reason I like his ability. To be honest, when I watched him on 21 Jump Street back in the days of my childhood so very long ago, I simply saw him as a pretty boy that got to be on tv. I didn't really start paying much attention until I saw What's Eating Gilbert Grape for the first time a few years ago, and then I went back and watched some of the other things he did. Benny & Joon, Donny Brasco, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, and Ed Wood. I also saw some horrible stuff he did...like Don Juan DeMarco. Not much of a plot to that one...that was more bubble gum than anything. And with Ninth Gate, it was the storyline that I didn't enjoy too much. You're right, not too much of a plot there and it didn't really catch my interest. But his performance was great in it.
As to what you've heard about the "sunbaked" dimension to the pirate he played, it wasn't written in that way originally, you are correct in that. But it was Depp's decision to play him that way and the director and producer, Gore Verbinski & Jerry Bruckheimer, loved it so much they wrote it into the storyline. When they all first arrived to do a cold reading of the script (the actors come together with the director and read their parts out loud for the first time), Depp read his character just like you see on the screen, a little crazy like. They were impressed with his take on his character and told him to keep it up. I personally think it's a stroke of genius to put your own ideals into the character you are playing and run with it.
But no, I'm not smitten by Depp. I happen to think highly of other actors that are not as sweet on the eyes. Tom Hanks for example. Not that handsome, but he's by far one of my favorite performers. Sure he's made some stinkers (That Thing You Do-more bubblegum), but he has the ability to run away with a character and take you along for the ride. I also really like William H. Macy. Again, not one that is by any means a Hollywood Hunk, but he's one damn fine actor.
But those are just my two cents on it anyway.
Psolaris
"Ten percent of nuthin' is...let me do the math here...nuthin' into nuthin'...carry the nuthin'"
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To be fair, I must confess the following. I've seen all the Depp films you named, save all but one, "Donny Brasco". From what I saw of them, he spoke very little or not at all, trying to be all Chaplin-esque. He'd cock his head sideways here and there, beam the same wide-eyed expressionless look that drive chicks wild, and proceed to rely on the director and editing crew to cut up the stock footage into something that made him seem talented.
When he did speak, there was no thundering echo in the dim recesses of my mind making me feel like I'd seen some kind of great profound talent delivering dialogue. It just felt like a clownish hollywood harlot with no soul barking back cheese dialogue written by hacks. It's supposed to tug at my heart strings, make me feel all fuzzy inside. A great actor would pause here and there, move about as if collecting his thoughts while stammering through parts of the dialogue, and invest emotion into what they say. They'd rage with fury when angered or hurt, tear up and quiver when brokenhearted, glow when cheered. It would be natural, and more importantly, believable. That's what a great actor would do. Depp isn't a great actor. He's an automaton who barks out a script like some trained chimp with human vocal chords. He has the favor of the gods on him. He's expressionless and predictable. But chicks dig him. Suits love him. He's a made man (which is only one letter and space off from "madman").
Love him all you like, but he'll be forgotten in ages to come. True talent is immortal and precious. And in the world of art, it's always hated and shut out by those in power because it threatens them. There is a growing list of films amassing in his filmography that I haven't seen, and don't care to go see. I've tortured myself through enough of his playacting to know his limits. He could be great if he's stop trying to overreach (but we're stuck with him anyhow while greater talents languish away).
Depp lives in my shitlist.
XG
ps ~ any particular time you'd like to set aside so we can torture queeny about her book? I'll be cruel and sadistic with my opinions, and verbally menacing to these cowardly whores who won't buy her book yet dare profane our thread with their opinions... you'll be saintly and intelligent, stern but forgiving, and keep me on my leash when I go a-ranting. we'll have a few laughs, make her giggle, make her cry, more importantly ~ make her think, etc.
I'm about to leave town for 2-3 days (and hence you'll all be spared my ranting diatribical confabulations of opionistic horsedungery, oh praise be to the almighty for small wonders). Gimme a time frame here. Answer soon as you can cuz my departure is soon at hand.
No such thing as me being nice. "Fuck off, all of ya! (since i forgot to be profane in this post)
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