Have you guys seen this?

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XEROGRAVITY

Saturday, January 21, 2006 1:13 PM

Psolaris:

I take back what I said. I'm impressed. Even if your film company didn't succeed, at least you tried. Don't give up. Need a little fire in your belly to succeed in that pursuit. I kinda wonder why you didn't form your own film company after the other talentless jellyfish surrendered. He'll be bald, fat, and selling life insurance soon enough. His shrieking wilderbeast hag of a wife and 3 smelly children will drive him to the grave by age 44. Good riddance. Or he'll end up scriptwriting for hollywood and disco-dancing in go-go cages on the weekends. And then we'll never be rid of him. But as for you. What are you afraid of? Why not start your own company? Or not. You could always become a film school teacher (or reach for the stars, become a dishwasher).

Ok 'nuff procrastinating. It's time to tackle Depp and Burton (at long last). Today is the day.

But first, why the hatred of Winona Ryder? I think she's an amazingly talented actress (and a pisspoor shoplifter). Her otherworldy etheric beauty doesn't hurt either. But that aside, she does a bangup job in nearly every role she takes. Her choice of roles suggests serious brain damage at times (like turning down the role of Corleone's daughter in Godfather III so she could be near Depp on the Scissorhands' atrocity). It was love. Ahh love. You mischievous mistress you.

Actually... the final installment of that saga royally sucked ass so it was no great loss. Probably a boon to her career that she didn't appear in it. It was the death knell of Pacino's acting. He should have retired in his prime or taken a long soulsearching hiatus (like going incognito to backpack across India or some shit like that). But whores will be whores. Pacino's films have been nasty shitbombs ever since.

Anyhow, Ryder's idiotic aloofness aside, when she's working with a shitty script (and that's all she ever does), she somehow manages to turn a steaming mass of toxic sewage into something that would pass for drinkable public utility water. Which isn't saying much. But still. I dunno, I could be wrong.. I haven't watched the most recent turds in her filmography so maybe she's living up to her obvious lack of potential.

Back to Depp and Burton.

Actually... I need to restock on cheap cans of generic beer. I can't handle talking about Depp and Burton while sober. Sometime soon, I'll get hammered and tackle the subject.

XG

No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.

PSOLARIS

Saturday, January 21, 2006 7:26 PM

A few of us actually did stick around to try and continue the film work after most had left. Trust me, I did love it so and I wanted to keep going. However, it was becoming a matter of time and money. We all had day jobs to pay the bills, and in the evenings and weekends we'd work on our film production. Money running short (as we put our own money into it, and we didn't have a lot), and given the fact that we were all run ragged trying to work during the day, come home and barely eat something to go back out and work more, come home late from production work and wake up early in the morning to do it all again, it had become, dare I say, too much to deal with. We were all burning the candle at both ends if you will. And it had gotten to a point where we had to decide between this, or what was putting food on the table. I wouldn't say that I've given up however...I keep my ear open at all times for local film work. I'm still in the loop so to speak, as there are civic theatres that come to me from time to time for advise on this production or that production. And the more people I assist in those matters, the more my name stays out there, and the better my chances of getting it all off the ground again.

As for Ryder, I have always felt her acting a bit one dimensional. I never really have like her in much of anything. I've noticed that her vocal inflections are the same for every character she portrays, her body language is the same, facial expressions, etc. No doubt she is a beauty, but I've always felt that she could have used a few acting classes to hone her skill. I do see potential in her to improve, and that improvement would probably come if she did steer clear from crappy scripts and work on ones that challenged her, but I have yet to see her do so. I think the only film I ever liked her in was Beetlejuice. Her vocal inflections and body language and the like actually fit that character well, and she was believable in that role. In all honesty, I would love to see her improve and challenge herself...please for the love of pete woman, challenge yourself!!

So you haven't liked Pacino since the Godfather days? I love Pacino...granted there were some movies that he's done that were absolute tripe (Frankie and Johnny ), but a lot of his films have such passion! Well, for me they do anyway. He scared the shit outta me in The Devil's Advocate. Keanu Reeves acting aside, that movie literally gave me a decent fear of evil. I loved him in Donnie Brasco (another Depp film), I loved him in Carlito's Way, I loved Heat, and Insomnia. I must confess however, I haven't seen him in anything recently. I didn't watch Any Given Sunday, nor Two for the Money, so it could be that he's getting close to the end of anything good coming his way and just taking the jobs as they come, no matter how crappy it may be.

And I think you're teasing me now when it comes to Depp and Burton. Oh the suspense!!! You know I want to hear it, as you've got my curiousness peaked...and you keep dangling that string for me to paw at like a cat. What's that old saying about curiosity...and a cat??? Suspense I say!!

Psolaris

"Ten percent of nuthin' is...let me do the math here...nuthin' into nuthin'...carry the nuthin'"

XEROGRAVITY

Sunday, January 22, 2006 1:39 AM

I'm gonna keep it short and simple and address Ooka-whatshisname.

Alright hotshot. Ya drop jap lingo and make historical references. Somehow, you've become an authority on Kurosawa by doing so. We're all impressed.

I sure as shit am. Fuck! I just wanna tuck tail and run cuz you're all superior and shit all of a sudden-like.

So Queeny and Psolaris. Ignore me, as he says. His word is law cuz he says so. He "lived" in Japan (must be an ex-GI, prolly running for city council in wherever, USA). He knows the soul of Japan and Kurosawa's suicide attempt was just "typical" japanese. Silly jap bastards. Conquered people should know their place.

XG

2 book recommendations.

"The Emperor and the Wolf" by Stuart Galbraith

and

...well. The 2nd book I'll suggest later. It's life after the suicide attempt for Kurosawa.

Watermelon head from Kukijiro

PSOLARIS

Sunday, January 22, 2006 2:14 AM

I ignore no one. I listen to everyone.

I thought Ookami was from Japan...like I mean he is Japanese. (???)

Is "The Emperor and the Wolf" about Kurosawa's life?

Edit: yup, I just looked it up myself and stuff. I'll go check it out.

Psolaris

"Ten percent of nuthin' is...let me do the math here...nuthin' into nuthin'...carry the nuthin'"

XEROGRAVITY

Sunday, January 22, 2006 3:57 AM

If he's Japanese I'm the prince of fuckin Jupiter.

The book is about Kurosawa and Toshiro Mifune (my favorite actor and the guy who was his lead man in films during his black and white days). It's about ambition and betrayal. A good read.

It'll make you rethink your love of the Depp/Burton thing. Partnerships like those are a marriage of convenience.

XG

No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.

OOKAMIKAWAHARA

Sunday, January 22, 2006 8:01 PM

Sorry, been out skiing so just got back and can address your comments XG. No I'm not Japanese, I am Gaijin. Ie A foreigner that has lived in Japan. I have had 6yrs of formal language/cultural training besides living in the country. Not to mention my B.A. was in International Studies ie read U.S.-Japanese relations. What I am saying is that I am approching this from a cultural stand point. Your posting was from a more entertainment/cultural (U.S. media related/ artistic point of view) For me your reading into is wrong (strike out wrong just missing somethings I believe). People in Japan commit sucide for less noble reasons ie High School team didn't make the big series, White collar got fired and can't face family about not having a job etc. Actually No I'm not a G-I never have been. This is just my view and thus is not law as you seem to think. That is a crook of Bull. I'm just saying I personally don't agree and that there are more then one opinion on the subject. If I worded it a little strongly forgive me. Besides you seem to like to stir things up and I got no prob with that, but remember I diff on you with this man. Anyways thats my peice on that and yeah it was a little rash to say just ignore the comment. Sorry, should of worded it diff.
mata, Ookami yori

OOKAMIKAWAHARA

Sunday, January 22, 2006 10:04 PM

XG, also a side note, my above background is for you guys since you were wondering who I was etc. It is not ment to make a point. I know more about the culture/politics of Japan. However I am not an authority on Kurosawa. Let me repeat that I am not an authority on Kurosawa!!! I don't know your background either on Kurosawa etc. Like I said my words were rash and this is my apology to you okay. If you want I will edit out the offensive part towards you in my other post. All I can say is I worded my objection/comments the wrong way. My fault and I will work to undo them. Now if you want to keep bashing on me fine go ahead either I will ignore it or come back w/ Japanese, but I am man enough to admit my mistakes and fix them when I can.
mata, Ookami yori

XEROGRAVITY

Monday, January 23, 2006 2:21 PM

You are redeemed Ooka. Insofar as... Go buy Queeny's book. Backtrack this thread and look at the bottom of her posts to find the thread. Share in the misery as Psolaris and I tear her book apart. Otherwise...

Fuck off. Just disappear.

Feel free to debate with us, but put your money and your book-reading time where your mouth is.

Otherwise...

XG

we haven't started tearing her book apart yet but we will. shut up or put up. opinions are a dime a dozen.

No such thing as gravity. The "Earth-that-was" just sucks.

QUEENOFTHENORTH

Monday, January 23, 2006 4:56 PM

I see you guys have been having your own private discussion while I was gone.

Anyway, I really like Japanese cinema and culture, so I'm definitely going to try to check out Kurosawa's films on your guys' recommendations. If I can find them.

And thanks for pushing my book, XG! I need all the help I can get. Even if you are doing it just so you have partners in criticism. I know it's not a great novel. I know I can do a lot better. That's what I am currently working on. I'm working on a part three to the Book of Legends right now, which I can already feel will be a lot better. I'm going to focus a lot on more on character development and narrative, which I know were my weak points in the first novel. I'm also working on co-authoring a book with my cousin, which won't be in the same world at all, but I can feel it will also be really good. Anyways, I'm gonna keep trying at it. I'm not going to be one of those people who wastes their natural talents cuz they're afraid of failure.

"I'm having one of those things - a headache with pictures."

"Of course I'm right. And if I'm not, may we all be horribly crushed from above somehow."

Like books? Go to this thread: http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=14862
to find out how to buy mine!

OOKAMIKAWAHARA

Monday, January 23, 2006 11:29 PM

Hey XG and Queen,
I got no prob supporting another Browncoat. Yes I promise to buy the book. It might take a while. Quick question for ya Queen of the North, Where is your book avaible? Would I be able to purches it on Amazon.com or be able to have Barns and Noble order it etc? I got no problem ordering it and giving you my thoughts on it, however I want to do it in a way that I don't get burned (not that I think that will happen). I'm a recent grad from college and needless to say money is kinda precious right now. I looked through the other thread kinda scanned it and sounds like you might have it up on amazon. Anyways let me know and I will get back to you guys on this thread when I have ordered/ read it. Or if I see something regarding Japanese culture etc. Like I responded to XG I am not an expert on Kurosawa or everything cultural in Japan. I do have some experiance and I try to share it. If it comes out the wrong way then I try and amend and help refocus my comment/thoughts. Well there ya go and I will talk with you shiny folks later.
mata, Ookami yori

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