Misunderstood moments in the series or movie

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CHRISTHECYNIC

Thursday, January 12, 2006 4:41 AM

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Originally posted by SameErtia:
The Three Full Mags & My Swingin' Cod line in the movie is still bugging me. I SWEAR up down and blue-sidewise that's what Jayne says,

Probably because that is what he says. The next two words are debated though.

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not "Three, four, max and my swingin' cod." Three-four *WHAT* max??? Rounds?

The subtitles in Firefly were quite inaccurate at times, for example YoSafBridge (short for Yolanda-Safron-Bridget) was subtitles as being Chinese.

Apparently that inaccuracy continued, though in a different way.

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No, 'cause he rips off three rounds after that. Mags, full cartridges, makes more sense.

In fact the line originally in the script was, "three full cartridges."

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Serenity is the only DVD I don't watch with subtitles, I got in the habit of not using subtitles for Firefly, and since the only two times I tried to use the Serenity subtitles to clarify lines (that being one of them) I discovered they were definitively wrong (and thus no help in finding out what was right) I have no intention of using subtitles watching Serenity in the future.

I only hope that if I ever actually lose my hearing there will be accurate subtitles available.

VALICK

Thursday, January 12, 2006 6:23 AM

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Originally posted by SameErtia:
Hence the line "He looks better in red." As opposed to Blue.

That doesn't make sense as Blue Sun also advertises in the color Red, as seen in the episode The Message, when Serenity is leaving the space station.

DONCOAT

Thursday, January 12, 2006 12:34 PM

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Originally posted by DRE:
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The Three Full Mags & My Swingin' Cod line in the movie is still bugging me. I SWEAR up down and blue-sidewise that's what Jayne says, not "Three, four, max and my swingin' cod." Three-four *WHAT* max??? Rounds? No, 'cause he rips off three rounds after that. Mags, full cartridges, makes more sense.

Zoe asks him how much ammo he's got left. He says, "3 full mags, and my swinging cod" (plus whatever people have in their current clips). That's how I'm hearing it anyways; maybe watch it on subtitles or somethin.

In this case, it's the subtitles that are hilariously wrong. That's where the "Three, four max" comes from, in point of fact. Obviously the people who did the subtitles were working from the sound track and didn't have a copy of the script -- or didn't refer to it.

The line is indeed "Three full mags (i.e. magazines) and my swingin' cod."

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NOSADSEVEN

Friday, January 13, 2006 12:51 AM

Allow me to point out... the change in Jayne's line from the script (from 'cartridges' to 'mags') is pretty darn important.

The term 'cartridge' refers to the combination of the bullet (the projectile - the part that actually comes out of the barrel of the gun and into the target) and the casing (the part that contains the stuff that explodes to make the bullet go (and might jingle onto the floor next to the shooter)).

A 'magazine' is what most people think it is - the closed, spring loaded part that plugs right into the gun and chambers the next round itself.

So, yeah, there is a substantial difference between three full cartridges and three full mags.

...On another note, I think my favorite subtitle is still, "You're a rabbit, Mal," from The Message.

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DONCOAT

Friday, January 13, 2006 3:16 AM

Absolutely right, nosadseven. An acceptable alternative would be 'clips', but cartridges is just so wrong. Good thing somebody caught it before it was filmed that way.

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GEDEON

Friday, January 13, 2006 4:24 AM

Two things:

First, I simply thought River cut Jayne's shirt because he grosses everybody out at the diner table, and then he laughs about not wanting to offend anybody. But I see the shirt as a much better reason now.

Second, in the BDM: There is nothing left to see. I saw the movie twice, then say my DVD and didn't pick up on that before I checked the subtitles. There is nothing left to say, is what I was hearing. And that also made sense...

Gedeon

THEONETRUEBIX

Friday, January 13, 2006 6:16 AM

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There is nothing left to say, is what I was hearing. And that also made sense...

Well, it might make sense, but it doesn't fit, since the exchange leading up to it is that Mal would kill The Operative if he ever SEES him again. And that leads into, "You won't. There is nothing left to see."

RCAT

Friday, January 13, 2006 8:07 AM

A moment that confused me (and I'm still a little hazy on) is in "Objects" when River is seeing the thoughts of the crew at the beginning. She see's Book saying something like "I don't care if you're innocent or not, so where does that leave you?" (sorry if misquote). His anger seems to be directed at Jayne but he says it just as River walks in. Is he suspicious of Jayne's betrayal of Simon and River? Is that what he feels about River? Or is it some hint to his past (as a operative or assasin or alliance official, etc.)? Most folks I ask about think it's about Jayne but I'm still unsure.

She understands, but she doesn't comprehend.
-River

DESKTOPHIPPIE

Friday, January 13, 2006 8:57 AM

I ~think~ the line is "I don't give half a hump if you're innocent or not. So where does that put you?"

I assumed it was directed at River, not Jayne. Everyone knows Jayne ain't exactly the picture of innocence, but River is. She's a kid who was tortured and altered and turned into a weapon that she doesn't want to be. The rest of the crew understand that during the course of the episode, but I think that line was to show that Book doesn't, and probably can't, despite how sweet he appears to the others.

We always assumed Book was the friendly, charming person he appeared to the crew, albeit one with a shady past. But then, who didn't have a shady past on that boat? Kaylee maybe? I think that line was to show that his shady past was a much larger part of him than we would otherwise believe, and that River was the only person who could see it. It's so far away from the absolution scene between Inara and Book in the pilot that I sometimes wonder if he might have been playing her. Maybe to see if he could play a player? So he'd know if it was safe to stay?

CAPERCAILLIE

Friday, January 13, 2006 2:06 PM

Hunh...I always thought that Book's line was simply a sentence he said in the past. He isn't speaking to River or Jayne - River is hearing one of his memories, like the memories of Miranda that she picks up from someone else in the BDM.

Mal's line, for instance, "None of it means a damn thing" - at first I didn't get it because I thought it was a thought he had towards Inara but then in another post, someone suggested that it was a memory from the Battle of Serenity. That makes the hollow, aching delivery of that line make perfect sense.

I still don't know what Inara's line is all about. Any ideas?

And I am impressed by how much you all notice in these things. I guess I am just going to have to watch them all over again to notice the little details. Tough job, but someone's got to do it!

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