Major Spoiler and I'm calling Joss out

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Originally posted by DucesTecum:
To FFG from Duces Tecum and Zipply, two original, hardcore, die hard Browncoats who have also been here since DAY ONE.

Duces:

FFG, my fellow coworker and Browncoat buddy Zipply just told me about this thread which is why I haven't been on earlier to say, "You go girl." Zip and I both agree with you completely. I'm not very eloquent but he is and I am going to try to tell you what he said. He made some points I want to share.

We were never Buffy or Angel fans, nor do we worship Joss Whedon. We are Firefly fans and are grateful to him for creating the 'verse.

How many of us would have hung around for the last two years knowing how this movie would turn out (meaning, two of the ensemble, our beloved characters, would be snuffed)? The music that we enjoyed so much in Firefly apparently was not good enough for the movie. The Western aspects, ditto.

Most of this year we have stood around discussing Serenity and making excuses for Joss. "He had to do the things he did to make sure the movie is a hit so we can have two more movies."

Friends I have to say, the more I read about the movie, the more I have to say, "Yup, it's a Buffy in space flick." Firefly is over, two of our BDH's are dead and if Joss is so almighty why didn't he figure out a way to at least keep Book on? I think the thing I hated the most is that I felt, perceived, that Ron Glass NEEDED THE WORK! and Joss cheated him out of gainful employment! Alan Tudyk has so many choices, he's okay and I'm not at all concerned about him even though I hate like hell that Wash is dead.

At this point, the only reason I am going to the movie is because it has been a planned event with many Browncoats for a long time. I positively will not be seeing it a second time.

Zip:

"One thing I liked about our little 'verse was that it was comprised of thoughtful adult types (regardless of actual ages). I fear after the release of the movie, FFF will become chock full of gothic teens saying, "Did you see the way River swung that axe? That was awesome, duuude!" I liked that us original Browncoats were more interested in the way that Book swung that dialogue."

Anyway, we both feel the same way, and are in agreement with you FFG. I'm sure we'll be chastized and criticized but what the hey, we're Browncoats, we're tough and we can take it.


And I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an over-abundance of schooling. Mal, Train Job

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Thanks DT and Zipply, now I have visions of Goths becoming Browncoats, I didn't need to think about that! It would certainly be nice if we Browncoats could hold Firefly as our little secret but it is a business and we need those Goths and teeny boppers and everyone so Serenity can be a success and we can see what Joss the Ripper has in mind for the sequel, who dies this time??? Even though Serenity did not go the way we wanted, I hope you guys will still see it more than once. Let's face it, it really is a very actiony movie and worth watching

Thanks for coming out on my side, appreciate the support!

I aim to misbehave!

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I heard 1 Browncoat say that Joss has the idea for all of them to die, before it's all over. Except maybe River. Who knows? I have not taken time to read through this thread, as I'm sure other such 'nuggets' of joyful speculation have been dropped by other posters.

I'll say this. For the story to work, it makes sense that Book died the way he did. Could it have been done differently ? Hell yes! But I have a feeling this death was a mutual idea. Or I DID think that, before I heard the Ron Glass interview on the Serenity podcast. Now, I don't know.

As for Wash? It seemed as senseless as it was sudden. I had the oppotunity to watch that scene twice, and I still don't see why it had to happen that way. That it HAD to happen, might be less of a story/plot issue and more of a Alan Tudyk / Hollywood actor issue. Contracts and future working availabilty might have forced Joss to do somethin drastic. Again, I have no clue, just my $ 0.02 worth.



" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I heard 1 Browncoat say that Joss has the idea for all of them to die, before it's all over. Except maybe River. Who knows? I have not taken time to read through this thread, as I'm sure other such 'nuggets' of joyful speculation have been dropped by other posters.

I'll say this. For the story to work, it makes sense that Book died the way he did. Could it have been done differently ? Hell yes! But I have a feeling this death was a mutual idea. Or I DID think that, before I heard the Ron Glass interview on the Serenity podcast. Now, I don't know.

As for Wash? It seemed as senseless as it was sudden. I had the oppotunity to watch that scene twice, and I still don't see why it had to happen that way. That it HAD to happen, might be less of a story/plot issue and more of a Alan Tudyk / Hollywood actor issue. Contracts and future working availabilty might have forced Joss to do somethin drastic. Again, I have no clue, just my $ 0.02 worth.



" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Please AURaptor, enough with the good news, only 1 left standing in the end, boy what a post I'll start if that happens!

Say I missed you at DragonCon, what happened?

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Ya know ... I haven't yet seen the BDM, but I was spoiled about this thanks to a careless click elsewhere. The news hit me like an anvil to the gut.

But ....

I'm a Browncoat, but certainly not a "drone." I'm a cantankerous, skeptical, hard-to-please pain the the ass, who happens to feel near-worship for this thing Joss created--and I pretty much loathe everything else he's done, so that's going some.

I'm still going to give the film a chance. I've heard it makes sense, from Browncoats whose taste and judgement I've granted grudging respect. I've heard from those who've seen it multiple times, and who are still okay with it. I'm prepared to enjoy the hell out of the BDM, shocks and all, be appalled at the moments Joss decided I should be appalled at, and come out of the experience wringing wet and perversely overjoyed at the whole experience.

I'm willing to trust Joss, sonafabitch that he is.

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I didn't do it.
You can't prove it.
The sheep are lying.

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Originally posted by Spinland:
Ya know ... I haven't yet seen the BDM, but I was spoiled about this thanks to a careless click elsewhere. The news hit me like an anvil to the gut.

But ....

I'm a Browncoat, but certainly not a "drone." I'm a cantankerous, skeptical, hard-to-please pain the the ass, who happens to feel near-worship for this thing Joss created--and I pretty much loathe everything else he's done, so that's going some.

I'm still going to give the film a chance. I've heard it makes sense, from Browncoats whose taste and judgement I've granted grudging respect. I've heard from those who've seen it multiple times, and who are still okay with it. I'm prepared to enjoy the hell out of the BDM, shocks and all, be appalled at the moments Joss decided I should be appalled at, and come out of the experience wringing wet and perversely overjoyed at the whole experience.

I'm willing to trust Joss, sonafabitch that he is.

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I didn't do it.
You can't prove it.
The sheep are lying.

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Sorry about you being spoiled, that's no fun! but you will enjoy the movie, just as I did. You'll be pissed just like I was. In the end we're all still Browncoats and hopefully we'll all support the movie, pissed or not!

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he start-----If you read my first post I was civil.The main point was I was just asking a question.If you read my profile, you know that I love this universe.The anger posts,were immature but I mean seriously how can you take my anger serious when my screen name is NAKEDANDARTICULATE. (insert laugh track here) Bottom line, I just want this film to do well, not just for Joss, or for sequels, or for the actors, or even for the other universe he created-buffster. I want it to do well,because everyone here is a FAN of this universe.It touched something within all of us.It may hurt(I cried at the funeral scene,and when Tara died and when Wes died,and especially when Anya didn't understand death) but it also brought us joy and passion ,wonder and above all hope.So that is all, sorry

"It's about how much freedom you can take away from somebody before they either fold or fight," Whedon says. "It's about the right to be wrong and the nature of human beings, that they need the freedom to be wrong. That they cannot be made to be better or perfect."--Joss Whedon on Serenity

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Spread love, not war!

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Originally posted by Retro:
I can't say it any better than these people

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ditto.

Wash's death made my inner child cry, yet I still think it falls into place perfectly.

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Originally posted by Spinland:
Ya know ... I haven't yet seen the BDM, but I was spoiled about this thanks to a careless click elsewhere. The news hit me like an anvil to the gut.
But ...
I'm a Browncoat, but certainly not a "drone." I'm a cantankerous, skeptical, hard-to-please pain the the ass, who happens to feel near-worship for this thing Joss created--and I pretty much loathe everything else he's done, so that's going some.

I'm still going to give the film a chance. I've heard it makes sense, from Browncoats whose taste and judgement I've granted grudging respect. I've heard from those who've seen it multiple times, and who are still okay with it. I'm prepared to enjoy the hell out of the BDM, shocks and all, be appalled at the moments Joss decided I should be appalled at, and come out of the experience wringing wet and perversely overjoyed at the whole experience.

I'm willing to trust Joss, sonafabitch that he is.

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I didn't do it.
You can't prove it.
The sheep are lying.

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Some love/hate thing you have going for Joss there..heh heh. And my condolences for you having been spoilt and not even seen the BDM yet. As for my own self, I'm late to the whole Joss worhsip thing. Firefly definatly has touched me far more than anything else he's done, but I like going back to watch repeats of Angel (more ) and Buffy ( not so much ), just to get a 'feel' for his writing. I've become quite good at picking out specific lines,words, phrases that appear in all 3 shows.

Anyway, I enjoyed the BDM more the 2nd time. Even knowing what was gonna happen. Or mabye because....? It definatly has its moments that will knock your socks off. Did for me.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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