Major Spoiler and I'm calling Joss out
POSTED BY: fireflygal
UPDATED: Friday, October 14, 2005 18:37
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Somehow I don't think any one of Joss' responses to why, and there have been responses, are going to satify you.
In a realistic world, sometimes death just happens. Unfair, unjustifiable death with no rhyme or reason. Wash unfortunately happened to be sitting in his chair when that harpoon crashed through and impaled him. That's a perfectly viable thing to illustrate, in my opinion. That life is just that fragile, unpredictable and sometimes you're screwed.
There's death like Book's, where he died defending his home and his flock in a very heroic fashion, there's the "just" death of Dr. Matthias, who some might argue deserved death because of his experiments, and there's the people on Miranda, who were victims like River, who had no say in any of it. And Wash's death, something he knew was a risk when he agreed to the plan, where he died doing what he believed was right.
But asking why is like asking why someone gets killed by a hit and run, five seconds after someone who crossed the street without incident. Why did that car come at THAT EXACT TIME? Who knows?
Like I said above, that's what I believe was being illustrated--that there is no answer, because the world is not that simple. It's a bunch of "What if?"'s most of the time.
And if he didn't kill Wash, it would've been someone else. Because you need to feel the peril, the pain. With the story being about the characters, if you don't buy that they might not make it, the final battle is just several minutes of, "Nice gunplay, but meh, they're all gonna be fine anyway."
I don't know what other kind of answer you expect.
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Just my 2 cents...
I know a lot of people can accept that Wash and Book die without much fuss. I only wish I could do the same. I watched FireFly in order to escape reality. If I needed a fresh dose of death and dying, I only need to look at the news. I was really hoping that Serenity would supply me with a continuation of FireFly and that I could leave the theater happy. Unfortunatly, I don't see how people can leave happy when their favorite characters are dead. I felt like I lost two of my friends when Wash and Book died, and I really have no need to pay any more money to feel that way again.
I had planned on seeing Serenity every week (or at least every other) in order to supply as much support as I could for a sequel. However, I just no longer want to spend my money in order to feel sad. It's just too bad, really.
I definitely respect all of you who are OK with how Serenity turned out. I really wish I could be one of you. Unfortunately, I will just have to hope that if a sequel is created, it will bring me more joy than this one did.
Thanks for listening...
Stroess
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Originally posted by Stroess:
...I will just have to hope that if a sequel is created, it will bring me more joy than this one did.
But it *did* bring you joy?
Just not as much as you wanted. 
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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
Watch this.......
Joss has been playing us with a sick sence of humor
Washs death was a part of some twisted alternate storyline, which of course will be included with the DVD when it come time for that...
Perhaps the same with Book ( Maybe Simon saves him )
With the pre screenings and hype... Joss is having fun with the Browncoats, watching us twist
At least I hope so.....
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I like your thinking. I kept hoping it was all a bad joke when I saw the first 2 "unfinished" previews and hoped the final cut would have 9 health members!
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Originally posted by Stroess:
Just my 2 cents...
I know a lot of people can accept that Wash and Book die without much fuss. I only wish I could do the same. I watched FireFly in order to escape reality. If I needed a fresh dose of death and dying, I only need to look at the news. I was really hoping that Serenity would supply me with a continuation of FireFly and that I could leave the theater happy. Unfortunatly, I don't see how people can leave happy when their favorite characters are dead. I felt like I lost two of my friends when Wash and Book died, and I really have no need to pay any more money to feel that way again.
I had planned on seeing Serenity every week (or at least every other) in order to supply as much support as I could for a sequel. However, I just no longer want to spend my money in order to feel sad. It's just too bad, really.
I definitely respect all of you who are OK with how Serenity turned out. I really wish I could be one of you. Unfortunately, I will just have to hope that if a sequel is created, it will bring me more joy than this one did.
Thanks for listening...
Stroess
Thank you so much for making my point. I'm not alone! You could've come to the rescue a bit sooner though, felt like Serenity Valley in this post!
But listen Stroess, even though I hated what happenend I will still support the movies and I TOTALLY understand where you're coming from. Please DON'T withdraw your support because Joss betrayed us. He did have the right to write what he wanted, we don't have to accept it or like it (I still just wanna know why) but we still want the sequels, right? We still should support the actors who gave their hearts to their roles. I am bitching and moaning but I will go see it repeatedly. Please continue your support. Even if you don't want to see it, buy a ticket for a friend or several.
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Hey FFG,
We talked a bit about this at D*C. I'm sorry it looks like things will remain the way they were. As I said then, I hate that it happened too, but it doesn't ruin it for me. As others have brought up, Things were the same with Doyle(in Angel), Tara(in Buffy), and many others. Unfortunately, we got to see the others move on and/or deal with the loss in the following weeks, here we have to wait a couple of years for the sequel.
Now this won't make you feel good, I read somewhere that the crew was originally just 5. Joss later brought it up to 9. I think we were lucky to have all 9 as long as we did, and I half expect to lose 2 more in the next one to bring it down to the original 5. Now I don't know who the original 5 were, but based on the "no happy relationships" thing, I'd guess we may be short a doctor and a companion by the end of 2 or 3.
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I haven't read this thread, but I can't wait to see the movie to find out what it's all about.
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Originally posted by batmarlowe:
I haven't read this thread, but I can't wait to see the movie to find out what it's all about.
Boy are you in for a "surprise"
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Originally posted by Jadehand:
Hey FFG,
We talked a bit about this at D*C. I'm sorry it looks like things will remain the way they were. As I said then, I hate that it happened too, but it doesn't ruin it for me. As others have brought up, Things were the same with Doyle(in Angel), Tara(in Buffy), and many others. Unfortunately, we got to see the others move on and/or deal with the loss in the following weeks, here we have to wait a couple of years for the sequel.
Now this won't make you feel good, I read somewhere that the crew was originally just 5. Joss later brought it up to 9. I think we were lucky to have all 9 as long as we did, and I half expect to lose 2 more in the next one to bring it down to the original 5. Now I don't know who the original 5 were, but based on the "no happy relationships" thing, I'd guess we may be short a doctor and a companion by the end of 2 or 3.
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Yeah, Jadehand, we had a nice little talk at DC. Since I wasn't a Joss fan I can't answer to the Buffy and Angel "killings". I should have realized, though, that since he'd done it before, he'd do it again, I just honestly didn't think he'd do it in the first movie. But Joss says he doesn't write with the sequel in mind. I guess we all wait and see.
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Originally posted by fireflygal:
I have been lucky enough to see Serenity three times now and I hate it more each time I see it. No, allow me to rephrase that, I hate Joss Whedon more each time I see Serenity. I have heard that same phrase uttered from many other Browncoats, as well, after each preview. I’m calling Joss Whedon out onto the carpet to answer to the fans. Why? Why did you take the sky from us?
We all know what I’m talking about – Book and Wash. There was no reason in the ‘verse for them to die. I don’t care how noble their deaths were. It’s a story; it CAN have a happy ending. All the characters can live through the trilogy. Yes, there will be a trilogy if the Browncoats have any say in the matter and we do. We will see the movie, we will bring friends and repeat numerous times. We will make Fox wish they never cancelled Firefly. I will see it again and again despite what Whedon did; ripping my heart out by killing two of the wonderful characters I had come to love and laugh with.
Rumor has it that all nine cast members are signed for the trilogy but I don’t want flashbacks, the Browncoats don’t want flashbacks. We want nine characters alive and well, (we’ll even take wounded), to move into the future – together – on new adventures.
Does anyone else feel betrayed?
I think you have a right to your response, and I can tell you that it's a response that I saw in a lot of people after the screening I went to see. I write novels, and yes I know what Joss had in mind by killing both characters, but that doesn't mean it's going to sit well with all fans or that it was even necessary.
Did Wash's death create a sense of panic and disbelief in the third act for loyal fans of Firefly, sure it did. Does that mean he had to do it to achieve that affect, of course not.
One thing that gets limited discussion in the spoiler threads is just how indestructible the captain is in his final duel with the agent. Here Joss pushes believability to its raggedy edge in the opposite direction of Wash and Book.
Death is a really tricky thing to pull off when you're dealing with beloved characters. You shouldn't feel bad for expressing your anger. I think the film has a lot of merit despite its flaws, but I can certainly understand how Wash and Book's death could ruin the movie for some.
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