So where is the opposition to Bush anyway ?
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Chrisisall detailled in the other thread what he would have liked to see from Bush...
But imagine this fantasy response from a ( lower end ) democrat canidate...
On the same day as the flooding, a relativly low level democrat charters a dozen buses, one of which he personally drives to New Orleans to load up with the sick and injured...
He then lets out a rant about if Bush will not allow the miltary or goverment to help these people the god dammit we will
A) would have been the right thing to do
B) suddenly you have national exposure as the guy who would do what Bush ( couldn't or wouldn't )
This scenario would have been sweet for any opposition withen the Rupublican party as well........
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Quote:
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
But imagine this fantasy response from a ( lower end ) democrat canidate...
On the same day as the flooding, a relativly low level democrat charters a dozen buses, one of which he personally drives to New Orleans to load up with the sick and injured...
He then lets out a rant about if Bush will not allow the miltary or goverment to help these people the god dammit we will
A) would have been the right thing to do
B) suddenly you have national exposure as the guy who would do what Bush ( couldn't or wouldn't )
This scenario would have been sweet for any opposition withen the Rupublican party as well........
That would have been nice. Could also have been nice for any relatively unknown potential candidate, regardless of party.
Still having a Democrat actually trying to solve a problem would be a nice change.
Instead we had Democratic politicians, with buses, in New Orleans, choosing not to use them. We had others, appalled by the tragedy trampling each other to reach the nearest camera to blame the President for anything and everything they could.
Take Nancy Pelosi, for example, for whom the first objective after the hurricane hit last Monday was to have an investigation of the President's failure to stop the hurricane followed closely by a desire to end the war in Iraq, after which we could get down to the serious business of putting a liberal on the Supreme Court, and if time permits saving people still in harms way.
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Since we're sharing fantasies, I had this thought yesterday: the Democratic party has already lost all credibility trying to cling to whatever miserable power the system still grants them; now, the Republican party will lose all credibility with the voting public for backing a criminally negligent administration. Yay for democracy, both parties in our so-called two party system discredited! No more Republicrats! Massive campaign and voting reform across the board! People will start having to run on their policies again!
Well, it's certainly more likely now than it was two weeks ago.
HKCavalier
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I would agree with the arguement that all levels dropped the ball... local, state and Federal...
but now we are trying to say who screwed up the worst right ???
the city showed us how to mess up an evacuation, the states responses had issues as well...
but when a Canadian rescue team from Vancouver, ignoring your FEMA, deploys and is helping people FIVE days before your US Army shows up and that would be a total of eight days after FEMA took command of the situation...
http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2005/09/08/louisiana_canada_tha
nks_20050909.html
I'd say the Federal response is really flawed as well...
Maybe the Mexicans can learn yah'all to how its done
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My logic ties you up and rapes you
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Where is the opposition?
Less than half the people are happy with Bush, and more than half are unhappy. Do you see that reflected on radio, TV, or in the news? So 'the opposition', which is really a substantial majority, think of themselves as isolated individuals, lone voices in a wasteland, while the minority, a tissue-thin facade, projects a substantial image.
There ARE voices of protest. But they just don't get coverage. What the majority opposition needs right now is some place for the rage to coalesce past the point of being minimized and hidden. Once that happens, positive feedback will take place and the Bushites will be swept away in the flood.
I've adopted SignyM's signature for now:
Please don't think they give a shit.
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Quote:Short term would have meant the world to some.
Originally posted by lynchaj:
Remember however, that President Bush used to be a southern US governor and there is tremendous resentment still in the region about the US federal government coming in and overriding the local governments. It may have been a short term improvement to disaster response but it would have had serious long term ramifications. In addition, it would basically send the message that the federal government has no confidence in local governments, especially in the South.
F**K the ramifications!
Chrisisall
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" Mostly, I think, in that the federal government were overly deferential to local and state officials who were completely overwhelmed. I think in some hindsight President Bush could have been more assertive and taken more authority away from the city and state "
It was my unstanding FEMA had taken command of the relief effort on the Monday ( I may have the timing a little off )
Now, if they had assumed command, turned the red cross, etc away from stepping in... my feeling is they own every call made after that point ( and every call not made )
Even the military deployment from what I have been able to read was questionable, not really what I would expect at all. Sure, one could point at the OiC or the Pentagon... but I believe FEMA issued the military its prioritys, and it seems guard Wal-Mart was more important than sending advance parties forward and sussing out what needed to be done, and how.
Intel, is the key to the success of any operation... Making contact with suviviors, finding out their numbers, condition, requirements, etc... info on routes, what roads are passible, where can you get helicopters in, what structures could be pressed into forward deployment bases or aid stations, or supply points
1. That gives the planners a whole lot to work with
2. By making contact you let people know they are not forgotten... hope
3. People tend to obey the law, when there is some pressence about, but some is alway better than none...
4. Prioritys could have been assigned, who HAS to be pulled out right now, who should just get some supplies and put on the list to be pull out later...
5. Grouping survivors together for better managment and support.
Simple things, but things that for the large part didn't happen... and from what I think I would point the finger at FEMA, and I think enough has been said about the patronage appointments involved there
Both FEMA and your Homeland security are serious lacking the neccesary operational planning ability to make things happen...
Perhaps the solution would be to disband FEMA, take the politics out of it. Start a planning cell in the Pentagon, Domestic Aide to Civil Power Operations or some such. They are tasked to stay in contact with local authoritys, and deploy on their own hook...
the Blame game and hanging those who messed up is one thing ( neccersary, but not the more important )
Its next time that is the primary concern
Don't think they give a shit
I'm with Signy and Rue
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Quote:Our intrepid blogger finds a way into the city, but mainstream TV trucks turn around and go away.
Soldiers at the first checkpoint, in Jefferson Parish, refuse to let us pass, despite our valid press credentials. The young man at the window explains that FEMA has made it clear to them that press is not allowed past their post.
Be double back and head south—some paramedics told us that if we took the West Bank expressway, we’d be able to get in. These paramedics, by the way, had apparently been deputized and were carrying guns.
Does anyone find it weird that we don't even have a running tally of the dead? That bodies are not to be shown? According to the above blogger in a radio interview, the workers at a refinery right acrss the road from a mortuary said that refrigerator trucks are coming and going 24/7. I dunno, but the lack of news is weird.
Please don't think they give a shit.
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Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Does anyone find it weird that we don't even have a running tally of the dead? That bodies are not to be shown?
You must not be looking hard for body counts. I found them in the Washington Post and the BBC web site. Here's a link to the Beeb.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4228400.stm
I would suggest that bodies are not to be shown out of respect for the dignity of the dead, since that's the way I feel about it.
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Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Short term would have meant the world to some.
Originally posted by lynchaj:
Remember however, that President Bush used to be a southern US governor and there is tremendous resentment still in the region about the US federal government coming in and overriding the local governments. It may have been a short term improvement to disaster response but it would have had serious long term ramifications. In addition, it would basically send the message that the federal government has no confidence in local governments, especially in the South.
F**K the ramifications!
Chrisisall
Hmmmmm
If Bush wants the patriot act, which is a temporary measure to fight terrorism, you call that bad. Bad because it infringes on our rights ect, ect, yada yada yada.
If Bush chooses NOT to do the same sort of thing in the case of a hurricane, which was forseen well before it happened, You call that bad to? Bad because he should have said "to hell with their rights, I'll do this even without the approbval of congress" ect, ect, yada yada yada.
What a f*ckin hypocrite you are.
Your worse than that flip floppin pussy Kerry. Nobody could make sense out of what passes for logic in his head either...
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