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So where is the opposition to Bush anyway ?

POSTED BY: GinoBiffaroni
UPDATED: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 02:11
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Thursday, September 8, 2005 2:05 AM

Many people on this website have crafted well thoughtout and informed arguements that the ball was dropped by your Federal Government... but it seems your opposition party is largely silent ( or is it sheep like )

Are they convinced that by keeping silent the Bushites will be their own undoing ? or does it simply demonstrate a lack of commitment and leadership within the democratic party, and that they are also unsuited to take the reigns of power either..........


http://www.cbc.ca/cp/world/050907/w090782.html



Big-name Democrats largely missing in action in Katrina aftermath
09:54 PM EDT Sep 07
LEE-ANNE GOODMAN



(CP) - Some Americans are beginning to wonder if the missing after hurricane Katrina might include the biggest names in the Democratic party.

Democrat heavy-hitters have been about as visible as Vice-President Dick Cheney over the past week. There's been little word from Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Joseph Biden or Al Gore, to name just a few of the party's biggest stars.

Bill Clinton, the party's most beloved and eloquent figure, has been enlisted by President George W. Bush to help in the aftermath - an appointment that has served to silence any criticism from him. The frequent attacks by his wife, Hillary, rumoured to be planning a run for the presidency in 2008, have lacked the emotional punch that seems there for the taking for the Democrats.

That's led exasperated Americans to take to cyberspace and the Democratic party's official website - www.democrats.org - to bemoan the lack of steady, hard-hitting attacks from the Democrats during what are some of the Bush administration's darkest days. There's a torrent of such criticisms posted on the website's message board.

"If the mainstream media can call out the Republicans on their bullshit, why can't Democratic leaders? Let's quit acting like whipped dogs, afraid to lose moderate middle-America, grow a spine, and call Bush and his weenies what they are: incompetent buffoons," says a posting signed crimedog1.

Adds another message signed starwhell: "The American people are outraged, Democratic leaders. Don't be as slow to respond to our anger as the president was as slow to respond to the hurricane victims. We want answers. We want accountability. We want solutions. We want LEADERSHIP!"

The howls of the Opposition parties in Canada would be deafening had Ottawa responded to a similar disaster like Bush and his Republican administration.

The daily question period would put a Canadian leader's performance front and centre, and if the House of Commons wasn't in session, an opposition leader wouldn't hesitate to demand an immediate recall of Parliament.

But there's no opposition leader in the United States. Power is spread among a number of Democratic congressional leaders and presidential hopefuls.

David Biette, the director of the Canadian Institute of the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars, says attacking the governing party in the days following an enormous tragedy - a past-time as Canadian as maple syrup - is simply not done in the United States.

"It's considered very bad form to ask these sorts of political questions in the wake of a terrible tragedy," Biette said. "Leaders have to be very muted lest they appear to be trying to take political advantage of a horrible situation."

And on most days in the wake of Katrina, Biette points out, the Republicans themselves have been doing the dirty work for the Democrats.

"You have had senior Republicans like Trent Lott extremely vocal and critical of the response," Biette said. "When you start having prominent Republicans criticizing the government, that's when people really start paying attention."

Those lesser-known Democrat VIPs who have dared to attack - as they did on Wednesday - have been met with scathing criticism by the Republican machine.

The top Senate Democrat, Minority Leader Harry Reid, asked for an investigation into whether Bush's Texas vacation interfered with the response.

And Nancy Pelosi, the House of Repr

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Thursday, September 8, 2005 2:32 AM

Kerry lost, so his voice isn't worth much

then there's that crackpot Nader

other democrats, liberals and leftists are becoming more vocal, and the rightwingers or GOP Republicans aren't happy either

but currently Clinton is busy trying to get funds and aid together,
former presidents Bill and Bush-Snr say these people need food and help, so the inquiry and blame can come later

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Thursday, September 8, 2005 5:33 AM

The sad fact is that Republicans are the only politicians in the US that actually understand how politics works today. They understand that the average voter is lazy, self-absorbed and tends to believe the last thing they heard that was said in a commanding voice. Now don't freak out on me, I'm probably not talking about you. The average voter is the same person as the average TV watcher that has insured that reality TV will rule the airwaves for the coming decade. Thank you MTV and Tom Green . They understand that the bulk of the votes come from people with no attention span that will not listen to any rational logical debate long enough to develop an informed opinion. They really, truly just want to be told what to think. I am seriously thinking of becoming an expatriate and am looking into how to renounce you citizenship. Its really that bad.
So, to actually answer the question: the opposition is there, but they do crappy TV and radio so no one listens long enough to put them on the air. Unless they are an A-List celeb of course. But then they are Scientologist or some other kind of nutjob, and we see them over and over with talking heads telling us to laugh at them. On the other hand, a guy named Kinky Friedman is running for govenor here in TX, so maybe there is hope for us all. God, I wish Frank Zappa was alive. I'd start voting again if he was on the ticket. Come to think of it, I'd vote for Frank Zappa's rotting corpse before I'd vote for a Rep. or a Democrat.

Nae king! Nae quin! Nae laird! Nae master! We willnae be fooled again! - Nac Mac Feegle (The Wee Free Men)

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Thursday, September 8, 2005 5:56 AM

What I see is similar to what you are saying. What I have noticed is that the Rep. god fearing christians have been fooled into thinking that they can follow blindly and their leader can do no wrong. The latest images I get of them are the sheep in Animal Farm. BAAAA two legs good four legs better. Never mind we have a leader that was either to afraid or to incompetant to fight when he was called. (Vietnam) But now that hes in charge look out he'll pick a fight with anyone. Also the fact that he constantly sais one thing and does another. (create jobs in America/tax break to corporations to send jobs overseas?) who in their right mind sends the national defence to war? The guard in my understanding is to be used for the actual defence of the nation and to be called into sevice in times of natural disasters. Where is the opposition? Where have all the real reportes gone? It seems everyone of the old guard has been cowed after that story that was aired with the "false information" used as facts without checking. I urge you not to expatiate. Change comes from within, we need to stand up and be heard. Do as they say, fall in line, yea right.

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Thursday, September 8, 2005 7:37 AM

It sure ain't in any of the existing parties, that is for sure.

Let's get to the meat of the matter - the so-called democratic party lacks guts, period.

When and if they ever manage to find a pair between the lot of em, a dubious thought at best, they might be viable or worth the effort.

So far, ain't nobody come up with anything at all worth a damn, and till they do, it's a matter of not really having a choice.

I'll throw in a nod to Ron Paul, now that guy could run, satisfy both sides of the political fence, and do a pretty decent job, but he doesn't seem to want the job and I don't blame him.

Still, if he could be convinced to run, I don't see where either party could be too unhappy with him, given that he's a strict constitutionalist.

-F

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Thursday, September 8, 2005 11:19 AM

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...so the inquiry and blame can come later



In neocon-speak this means never.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

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Thursday, September 8, 2005 1:14 PM

In this instance? Dean. Maxine Waters. Landrieu. A couple of others I'm not familiar with. That's about it. Pitiful, ain't it?

Please don't think they give a shit.

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Thursday, September 8, 2005 2:43 PM

Quote:

...so the inquiry and blame can come later



In neocon-speak this means never.


Exactly my question. When will the inquiry and blaming take place? In 2-5 years, when the city is rebuilt? How long will the people have to wait for some kind of legitimate response?
The questions the should have been asked about the invasion of Iraq still haven't been asked, let alone answered.

Where are the people protesting in the streets? Why hasn't the President and his administration been called to answer for the lies they've told and the damage they've done?

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Thursday, September 8, 2005 3:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lofwyrr:
Quote:

...so the inquiry and blame can come later



In neocon-speak this means never.



Exactly my question. When will the inquiry and blaming take place? In 2-5 years, when the city is rebuilt? How long will the people have to wait for some kind of legitimate response?
The questions the should have been asked about the invasion of Iraq still haven't been asked, let alone answered.

Where are the people protesting in the streets? Why hasn't the President and his administration been called to answer for the lies they've told and the damage they've done?




No, guess not.... the blame game will happpen sooner than that.... and It'll be Bush pointing the finger :

" US President George W Bush says he will lead an investigation into how the Hurricane Katrina disaster was handled. "

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4220246.stm

I guess the best coverups are when you have the moral authority to investigate yourself.




When my eloquence escapes you
My logic ties you up and rapes you

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Thursday, September 8, 2005 4:51 PM

As has already been pointed out, a lot of the LA politicians are Dems. So of COURSE Bush will be leading the inquiry. Wanna hear what he's gonna say? My psychic powers are telling me it wasn't FEMA's fault, or the extra beaurocracy FEMA has to deal with now that they are under the Dept. of Homeland Security. It wasn't Bush's vacation plans. It wasn't the fact that our National Guard is not IN the nation they are supposed to guard... nope. It's the democrat mayors and govenor. In fact, they actually summoned the storm with their wicked voodoo magic, just to make Bush look bad. Another product of the shadowy and cabalistic liberal conspiracy to undermine our simple and honest prez. OK, so I won't expat. I wonder if I'll get sent to Gitmo or shot as a terrorist if I join and anarchist group...

I am planning on growing a big black moustache. I'm a traditionalist.

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