The violence and looting of New Orleans: what does that tell...
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Tuesday, September 6, 2005 01:27
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BTW Rue does his (her?) homework. But after you've applied your superior investigating powers as to why the Federal government delayed its response for at least three days, will you please let us know? Because frankly, I can't think of ONE SINGLE GOOD REASON WHY... but lots and lots of bad ones.
Please don't think they give a shit.
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Finn, please note there are facts in here so you don't need to concern yourself with this post.
Interesting FEMA site: http://www.fema.gov/about/history.shtm
Informative NOAA site from whence I gleaned these names: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pastall.shtml
allison fran danny georges irene floyd barry lili edouard frances ivan jeanne mitch frances
Didn't search all of the names, someone with more time can do that. Here are my initial results:
ALLISON
http://www.ncfrpc.org/Publications/SRPP/NCFRPC%20SRPP%20Emergency%20Pr
eparedness.pdf In just 20 minutes Saturday morning, March 13, 1993, north central Florida coastal residents went from just another spring storm to the Storm of the Century. On March 13th, President Clinton declared Florida a disaster area.
FRAN
http://teams.fema.gov/dmat/resource/hurricane_fran.html
On Wednesday, 05-SEP-96 as Hurricane Fran, a dangerous category 3 hurricane with 115 MPH winds, began its assault upon the North and South Carolina coast, the DHHS Office of Emergency Preparedness placed the United States Public Health Service Disaster Medical Assistance Team (PHS-1 DMAT) on ALERT status. Within 9 hours, 48 PHS-1 DMAT members had stated that they would be available to deploy.
On Thursday, 06-SEP-96 at 1700H, the PHS-1 DMAT was notified by the DHHS Office of Emergency Preparedness that FEMA had just tasked them with a mission assignment of pre-deploying three DMAT's to an unknown destination in one of the Carolinas
DANNY
http://www.nwfdailynews.com/today/hurr2half.html
Fourth on the list was Hurricane Danny, which formed on July 16. The Category 1 storm with winds up to 80 mph caused an estimated $100 million in damage, mostly from flooding in Alabama and North Carolina (on July 24).
http://www.hudclips.org/sub_nonhud/cgi/nph-brs.cgi?d=MLET&s1=97-$%5Bno
%5D&op1=AND&SECT1=TXTHLB&SECT5=MLET&p=1&r=17&f=G
The President's declaration of a major disaster area for Alabama, resulting
from storm damage associated with Hurricane Danny, was signed on July 25,
1997 and includes Baldwin, Choctaw and Mobile counties.
GEORGES
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Georges
Hurricane Georges at landfall on September 28
http://www.advancedrt.com/articles/rtarticles/TOWNCOPES.html
Three coastal Mississippi counties--Hancock, Harrison and Jackson--were the hardest hit, with more than 87 people being housed in shelters and nearly 1,000 U.S. National Guard troops called in to aid in the recovery effort after the area received federal disaster assistance beginning September 28.
And our "President" Bush's response to Florida hurricanes:
FRANCES (2004)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Frances
{I}n Florida on September 1 Governor Jeb Bush declared a state of emergency, Kennedy Space Center closed down, and evacuations of 500,000 people were initially ordered.
It remained stable at category 2 with 105 mph (170 km/h) maximum sustained winds, though, and battered the east coast of Florida for most of September 4. At 11pm, the western edge of Frances's eyewall began moving onshore.
http://english1.people.com.cn/200409/06/eng20040906_156037.html
US President George W. Bush on Saturday (Sept 4) declared Florida a major disaster area as massive Hurricane Frances slowly bore down the southern US state.
Please note that "President" Bush declared Florida a national disaster area BEFORE the hurricane made landfall.
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
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Quote:No excuses Finn, not because you claim to be overwhelemed by emotion or because you condemn people by category, not by name.
And this is a very emotional issue. So I hope we can all go back to being friends afterward.
You never were, are not, and never will be, a friend, not to me, and not to the people on this board who come to honestly discuss events. Why you have not (yet) been kicked off as a troll I can't fathom.
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
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Rue, thank you. You're clarity in the face of these catastrophies, never fails to amaze me. You've helped me so many times to see what needs to be seen, and not just me, but everyone who has visited this forum for the past two (three?) years. This is great work, you're doing. I'm grateful to have gotten the chance to know you in this crazy impersonal electronic way that we get to share our thoughts over the internet. You ever get out to Seattle, I hope you'll let me buy you dinner at least. Thanks, again.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Hello,
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No excuses Finn, not because you claim to be overwhelemed by emotion or because you condemn people by category, not by name.
You never were, are not, and never will be, a friend, not to me, and not to the people on this board who come to honestly discuss events. Why you have not (yet) been kicked off as a troll I can't fathom.
This bothers me a bit. Is it possible to attack someone's position without attacking the man? I haven't kept up with Finn's posts long enough to know what makes you think he's a troll. From what I've been able to tell, his primary crime is disagreeing with you.
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The only thing worse than this country's failed leadership -- Republicans and Democrats -- are shitheads like Andrew Lynch who act like shills paid to try to make the worthless leadership of this country look good.
ANDREW LYNCH, go away. You are a complete moron.
I don't agree with Andrew's viewpoints, and think he was rather rude to our forums, but I think that the reaction was acidic and unnecessary, most particularly in that it might serve to justify his position to some. Just explain why you think he's wrong. No need to hurl names.
I've always been proud that the political forums on FFF.net need little moderation. We've usually been fair at controlling ourselves.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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BTW- to address the original question of the forum. After the tsunami, most people fell into the role of victim- acting as individuals, trying to save their own lives and the lives of their families by scraping together some survival basics out of the rubble and waiting for help. A few took the opportunity to loot, scavenge, and even kidnap lost and disoriented children into the sex slave trade. A few took the leadership role, and organized collective activity (such as defining latrine areas or searching house to house). Within any population, you will find people at both ends of the bell curve and the vast majority in the middle. What defines the USA mindset/ ethics is not so how ordinary people behave in a disaster (for which they have no practiced response) but what happens every single day. Our violent crime rate and extreme separation between the weatlhy and the poor says a lot more than the actions of a few looters.
Please don't think they give a shit.
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Quote:Agreed. I was in somewhat of an emotional state when I started this thread, and ended up learning much from it, not the least of which was who is really responsible for the lack of proper attention in this matter.
Originally posted by SignyM:
Our violent crime rate and extreme separation between the weatlhy and the poor says a lot more than the actions of a few looters.
Chrisisall
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Rue,
Thanks for the great links to leaders taking action IMMEDIATELY.
Conerning Finn, you said,
"You never were, are not, and never will be, a friend, not to me...."
I concur wholeheartedly. Finn is worse than an asshole, like Andrew Lynch, they are todies to the President, paid or compensated to overlook what anyone with eyes can see for themselves. The President is a total failure, and that's not a political statement. Those turds need to be either ignored, or banned from this forum. They are NOT helping.
Also, here's the proof Chertoff is a lying whore:
"- The storm hit Breton Sound with the fury of a nuclear warhead, pushing a deadly storm surge into Lake Pontchartrain. The water crept to the top of the massive berm that holds back the lake and then spilled over. Nearly 80 percent of New Orleans lies below sea level -- more than eight feet below in places -- so the water poured in. A liquid brown wall washed over the brick ranch homes of Gentilly, over the clapboard houses of the Ninth Ward, over the white-columned porches of the Garden District, until it raced through the bars and strip joints on Bourbon Street like the pale rider of the Apocalypse. As it reached 25 feet over parts of the city, people climbed onto roofs to escape it. Thousands drowned in the murky brew that was soon contaminated by sewage and industrial waste. Thousands more who survived the flood later perished from dehydration and disease as they waited to be rescued. It took two months to pump the city dry, and by then the Big Easy was buried under a blanket of putrid sediment, a million people were homeless, and 50,000 were dead. It was the worst natural disaster in the history of the United States...."
Sounds like a report from a current news cast, doesn`t it? Except it is from a piece by "National Geographic" from 11 months ago.
ELEVEN MONTHS AGO!
Anthony, if you don't know -- didn't know over a week ago -- that the President and all his men failed, no explanation of mine can enlighten you why these turds deserve the names I call them. It IS personal, and we need to expose such traitors to this country. Yes, traitors. Anyone who supports the current crop of politicians is helping them along the path they have taken, away from the people and toward helping only themselves.
I observe I am far from alone in my sentiments.
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Chrisisall,
To address your initial question, as others noted here, there will always be a criminal element, and disasters such as this one might have led law-abiding citizens to bust windows to get food or water for their families. But what struck me was the apparent lack of leadership within the confines of the "safe" areas, like in the dome. I may have missed it, but it seemed like chaos reigned without anyone or any group taking, or trying to take, any semblence of control. This does not speak well for this country, if leaders don't pop up as needed.
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Quote:That's just survival to me. I was awe struck how nothing was done by our leaders to the point that gangs were raping, and helicopters were reporting being fired at. The Bush administration allowed a small chunk of Hell to materialize, and Bush was playing golf.
Originally posted by Ruxton:
and disasters such as this one might have led law-abiding citizens to bust windows to get food or water for their families.
How sickening.
Chrisisall
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