The violence and looting of New Orleans: what does that tell...
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Tuesday, September 6, 2005 01:27
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there is no doubt that Geo W was on vacation:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9134533/
it was well publicized
and from where I sat the response of the US to the tsunami was WAY faster than the response to New Orleans
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Folks, everybody ...
Please remeber this is Finn you are dealing with, and this is just another one of Finn's tactics (along with using minority sources and making up expertise and data).
It's not worth your time to try and discuss facts with Finn.
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
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Quote:It doesn’t matter. No one doubts that he was on vacation. The political part is the innuendo that because he was on vacation during a national crisis that he doesn’t care. This is a political trick. All presidents go on vacations, but doing so does not mean that he doesn’t care or that he is in any way disconnected from what is going on. It’s an image, a screenshot, a face that you paint on the issues. This is a spurious assumption used as a political attack.
Originally posted by embers:
there is no doubt that Geo W was on vacation:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9134533/
it was well publicized
Quote:I doubt it. But it’s irrelevant anyway. It’s like comparing apples to oranges.
Originally posted by embers:
and from where I sat the response of the US to the tsunami was WAY faster than the response to New Orleans
More personal attacks. Innuendo; half truths, misrepresentation . . . in order to paint something a certain way. Politics. This time directed at me, instead of the president, but it's all the same.
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Originally posted by rue:
Please remeber this is Finn you are dealing with, and this is just another one of Finn's tactics (along with using minority sources and making up expertise and data).
It's not worth your time to try and discuss facts with Finn.
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Qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum.
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Because I think this sums it up nicely, in words much wiser than my own...
Dear Mr Bush, New Orleans parliament and other responsible bodies...
REDEMPTION DAY.
I've wept for those who've suffered long.
But how I weep for those who've gone into rooms of grief and questioned wrong...
but keep on killing.
It's in the soul to feel such things, but weak to watch without speaking.
Oh, what mercy sadness brings, if God be willing.
There's a train that's headed straight for Heaven's gate and on the way, child and man and woman wait, watch and wait.
For redemption day.
Fire rages in the streets and swallows everything it meets.
It's just an image often seen on television.
Come leaders, come you men of great,
let us hear you pontificate.
Your many virtues laid to waste and we aren't listening.
What do you have for us today?
Throw us a bone, but save the plate.
On why we wated 'till so late,
was there no oil to excavate?
No riches in trade for the fate of every person who died in hate?
Throw us a bone, you men of great.
There is a train that's heading straight for Heaven's gate, and on the way child and man and woman wait, watch and wait.
For redemption day.
It's buried in the countryside, it's exploding in the shells of night, it's everywhere a baby cries.
Freedom.
- Sheryl Crow.
*~*~*
"Your toes are in the sand."
"And your head's up your..."
"Hey!"
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Finn,
You're an ass.
Quote:THIS IS A PERSONAL ATTACK DIRECTED AT EVERYBODY HERE. SO HERE'S A HINT - DON'T GO AWAY MAD - JUST GO AWAY.
because I can’t rely on any of the information that is coming to me. And my gut response is to immediately dismiss anything coming from someone with a blatant political message as unreliable, which right now seems to be everybody.
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
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Quote:Yeah, this cleared everything up. You’re a perfectly reliable source. Thanks for proving my point.
Originally posted by rue:
Finn,
You're an ass.
It’s not a personal attack. It can’t be a personal attack because “everybody” isn’t personal. It’s general. And it’s directed at more then just people here, but at people in the news, congress and the president. Sometimes, I feel like the information that I get is just not clear no matter whom it comes from, and I’m not sure who to believe. And I don’t think I’m the only one, either. Except for those people who have already picked out their witch to burn, I don’t think anyone has a clear idea of who and how exactly the ball was dropped. I have my ideas, but I’m beginning to doubt whether they are even right, because there is so much that I don’t know, at this point. So I’m trying to back off a little from my previous statements, because I’m not sure yet if they are all true.
Also I’m not going anywhere. So get used to it or get out yourself. Those are your options.
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Qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum.
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Quote:Chrisisall is a little cooler now.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I’m not sure that I think the accusation that Bush is out to kill Americans very astute, but I sympathize with your anguish, in any event. I just wish you could spread it out a little.
Yes, the blame can be (and should be) spread out a little more widely. And I do think at this point it might have happened as badly no matter who was in office ( although I still somehow doubt it...); it's just that Bush himself doesn't ever seem genuine. Bush, the man, is a jerk, plain and simple. Not evil, just a political android, cold and badly wired.
Those who could have made it easier on the victims, and didn't should all be burned (figurativly) for this, no matter Republican or Democrat.
And anyone who would excuse themselves with "Well, we had no way of knowing" should be sent down there to deal with the bodies of the children as a 'learning experience'.
Quote:That is my hope as well.
And this is a very emotional issue. So I hope we can all go back to being friends afterward.
But please ask yourself why so many thoughtful people on this board seem to hate Bush and his army of flunkies so intensly, it's not just because he's a Republican.( Okay, maybe for some, just not the majority)
Deeds, not words Chrisisall
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Quote:I've had to do that a few times, myself.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
So I’m trying to back off a little from my previous statements, because I’m not sure yet if they are all true.
But my final analysis stands: Bush doesn't really give a shit.
Sad, but true Chrisisall
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Quote:And the Oscar goes to...
Originally posted by SimonWho:
Disgusted Chrisisall
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Actually, I know why Bush bobbled this so badly- It was a clever ploy to distract attention from Camp Casey and Cindy Sheehan. And, I must say it worked LIKE A CHARM! DAMN that guy is smart!
Please don't think they give a shit.
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