The violence and looting of New Orleans: what does that tell...
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Tuesday, September 6, 2005 01:27
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"On Wednesday," said an editorial in The Sun Herald in Biloxi, Miss., "reporters listening to horrific stories of death and survival at the Biloxi Junior High School shelter looked north across Irish Hill Road and saw Air Force personnel playing basketball and performing calisthenics. Playing basketball and performing calisthenics!"
After 2003 the Army Corps of Engineers sharply slowed its flood-control work, including work on sinking levees. "The corps," an Editor and Publisher article says, citing a series of articles in The Times-Picayune in New Orleans, "never tried to hide the fact that the spending pressures of the war in Iraq, as well as homeland security - coming at the same time as federal tax cuts - was the reason for the strain."
Yesterday Mr. Bush made an utterly fantastic claim: that nobody expected the breach of the levees. In fact, there had been repeated warnings about exactly that risk.
MacBaker, the people "in charge" of this country are either incredibly stupid, or have some agenda that involves getting the mainstream media to largely ignore the hurricane disaster. In either case, this apparent INCOMPETENCE must be discussed now, and the price must be paid.
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Rue,
Careful what you say:
"It is reported that...hurricane victims in New Orleans have begun eating corpses to survive."
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Hero- As I understand it, the governors of both LA and MS requested Federal assistance (troops) on SUNDAY night, even before landfall. As far as I know, the request wasn't acted on for three full days.
You, Geezer, Mac and the rest of the ijits- Will you PLEASE stop defending the indefensible???
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Quote:somehow I don't picture them having the same lip-smacking feast as Cheney.
"It is reported that...hurricane victims in New Orleans have begun eating corpses to survive."
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Hero- As I understand it, the governors of both LA and MS requested Federal assistance (troops) on SUNDAY night, even before landfall. As far as I know, the request wasn't acted on for three full days.
You, Geezer, Mac and the rest of the ijits- Will you PLEASE stop defending the indefensible???
Hey, I would have said Hero had a point....
depending on when the local authoritys began to ask for help. If you are right, and it was Sunday... then they are all to blame.
The city government for a lack of planning in getting the people out, and perhaps in other respects as well...
The State for failing to bring in addition personnel and equipment BEFORE the storm hit
and the Bushites for not responding to the request for help in a timely manner...
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My knowledge of the Hurricane disaster is a little sketchy at best, I've had a lot on this week, so have only managed to catchy a few reports on BBC and C4 News.
As far as I can tell the repsonce was poorly organised, and even if that is down to local authorities Bush shares the blame.
Can I also make the point that many wanted Clinton Impeached for sleeping with an intern, what does Bush get if his administration is responcible for thousands of death due to his incompetence?
Q: What do you have when you are holding two little green balls in your hand.
A: Kermit's undivided attention.
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This may make me unpopular, but...
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Mind you it seems some US politicians have an entirely different focus:
"These troops are battle-tested. They have M-16s and are locked and loaded," Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco said on Thursday night of one group of 300 National Guard troops being deployed here after recent duty in Iraq. "These troops know how to shoot and kill and I expect they will."
It seems the citizens of Louisiana are this years Iraqis.
If I read the newspapers correctly...
Seven year old girls and eight year old boys are being RAPED and MURDERED.
If this is the case, I say AIM WELL and TRUE.
There is no justification for that. Looting so that you can eat and survive, yes, but all the other atrocities...
It's not acceptable.
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"Your toes are in the sand."
"And your head's up your..."
"Hey!"
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Lynch- And using 9-11 to promote the Iraq invasion is... what?? Respectful? Honorable? Sensitive? Wow. You have NO idea what I edited out.
Please don't think they give a shit.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
That's almost funny if it weren't so sad.
Did looting and rape occur in Indonesia after the tsunami? Or did they try to help each other?
Yes to both actually. I know this isn't the popular view, but people do some pretty horrible things without ever being Americans.
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Quote:I search out Chris’ posts because I find them to be typically very thoughtful. Certainly he’s quite an anti-capitalist liberal, but usually a smart guy. I’m not sure what has caused this lapse of judgment (it is a very emotional issue for many), but we all have times when we say stupid things.
Originally posted by lynchaj:Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
And you Bush fans are lookin' stupider and sorrier by the minute.
How much does it take to see that this administration is KILLING US (LITERALLY as well)?
Chrisisall
That is a disgusting cheap shot and just plain wrong.
Do you have any sense at all? Or even a sense of shame?
Prostituting others misery for your own petty political hackery is just the sort of vile behavior I've come to expect on FFF.net RWED.
Andrew Lynch
As far as what has happened in New Orleans, it has a lot to do with the lack of New Orleans public order, and the federal government waited too long to respond, probably because they expected, rightly so, for New Orleans to respond. The break down occurred with New Orleans, not the federal government. And not that it matters, but for Liberals information, both New Orleans’ Mayor and Louisiana’s governor are Democrats. Certainly more should have could have been done by them.
But I don’t want to point fingers here, because the truth is that this was a disaster waiting to happen, not because of all the malicious idiotic political bullshit Liberals are throwing around, but simply because New Orleans is, geographically, sitting in a time bomb, that finally went off. The damn city sits on the coast, BELOW sea level, surrounded on all three sides by major bodies of water. It was simply a matter of time, before something like this happened. It has absolutely nothing to do with the war in Iraq or Bush’s environmental policies.
To claim that it is all Bush’s fault or that Americans are the scourge of the earth (as the mantra goes) when New Orleans gets flooded after a hurricane is a degree of political stupidity I don’t even know how to address. It belies so many far, far more pertinent causes.
It’s a terrible disaster, but Americans, as always, have responded with billions of dollars in care and concern. Certainly New Orleans has shown us a way not to approach the public order follow a major disaster, so hopefully it will be a learning experience, because this won’t be the last. Los Angeles, as always, is certainly on the verge of another quake, and perhaps more relevant is Memphis, which sits on a not widely known fault. When that fault goes, Memphis, much like New Orleans, will probably not be ready for such a disaster. And god forbid what is going to happen in Wyoming at some point. Natural disasters happen all the time. We could have been more prepared for this one, but we are aware of it now, so things will start moving forward again.
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Qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum.
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