IRAN: Trump's war?
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I think neocons keep working the same playbook over and over.
Here's part of the problem
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Senate unanimously adopts resolution stating support for Israel
Here's the other part of the problem:
Trump, 4 days before Ukraine attacked Russian nuclear assets and launched a terror attack on a passenger train
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What Vladimir Putin doesn’t realize is that if it weren’t for me, lots of really bad things would have already happened to Russia, and I mean REALLY BAD. He’s playing with fire!
May 27, 2025, 8:44 AM
Trump, after he thought the Ukrainian attack was a success
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Trump has hailed Ukraine's daring "Operation Spiderweb" attack as "strong and badass".
The US president heaped praise on Volodymyr Zelensky for his calculated drone assault plan - but warned it has only made a raging Vladimir Putin even crazier.
Trump, when he thought Israel had a lightning victory:
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"We knew everything, and I tried to save Iran humiliation and death. I tried to save them very hard because I would have loved to have seen a deal worked out,"
Trump, after a phone call with Putin
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Trump says US 'had nothing to do with the attack on Iran' as nuclear talks are called off
Who does he think he's fooling? His problem is, he'll climb onboard whichever side if an argument he thinks is winning that moment. He hates to be SEEN AS losing. So instead of actually coming up with a winning plan, he threatens and pretends to negotiate. In reality, he's just along for the ride.
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Quote:There’s a bitter clash on the right. It could determine whether Trump takes us to war.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Who does he think he's fooling? His problem is, he'll climb onboard whichever side if an argument he thinks is winning that moment. He hates to be SEEN AS losing. So instead of actually coming up with a winning plan, he threatens and pretends to negotiate. In reality, he's just along for the ride.
The America Firsters hoped to push Trump away from the hawks. The Israel-Iran conflict shows that isn’t so easy.
By Andrew Prokop | Jun 16, 2025, 4:00 AM CDT
https://www.vox.com/politics/416742/trump-iran-israel-war-america-firs
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For months, leading up to Israel’s attacks on Iran last week, an intense and bitter battle has been underway on the American right — a battle for influence over President Donald Trump’s foreign policy.
The core assumptions that have guided Washington’s approach to the world for 80 years are suddenly up for debate. The global balance of power, the outcome of life-and-death conflicts in the Middle East and Ukraine, and more momentous future questions of war and peace all hang in the balance.
GOP foreign policy has long been steered by hawks, who see the US as locked in a struggle for global dominance against hostile and dangerous foreign powers. They’re willing to threaten — and, in some cases, use — military force to achieve American ends. During his first presidential campaign, Trump broke with the hawks on some key issues, but his first-term governance was largely hawkish in practice.
In the past few years, though, an “America First” faction came together to try and push Trump’s second term in a different direction. Deeply skeptical of “neocons,” foreign entanglements, and “forever wars,” they’ve competed with the hawks over administration jobs, tried to swing the MAGA base to their side, and worked to win Trump over in private.
Leading their fight was an unlikely foreign policy power trio: Tucker Carlson, Donald Trump Jr., and Vice President JD Vance. The three are like-minded in their loathing for the establishment and are also personal friends. It is not uncommon, in Washington, to hear talk of a “JD-Tucker-Don Jr.” axis of American foreign policy. Their increased influence meant Washington’s hawkish consensus was facing perhaps its most serious challenge in decades.
At times since January, it has seemed the America Firsters were winning. In April, when Israeli officials presented Trump with a plan to strike Iran, he rejected it in favor of pursuing negotiations over their nuclear program instead. Pro-Israel hawks were deeply worried about the concessions Trump’s team might make.
But as talks stretched on without success and Israel became more determined to strike, Trump decided not to stand in their way. The Israeli operation began Thursday night, killing many top Iranian military leaders and targeting nuclear sites. The hawks were overjoyed. Trump officials initially characterized the attack as a unilateral Israeli decision. But soon, the president began taking some credit for it, though he insisted a deal with Iran was still possible.
Carlson had spent months urging Trump not to get involved. “The greatest win would be avoiding what would be the true disaster of a war with Iran, which would not stay in Iran, of course,” he told me in an interview at the beginning of this month. He’d warned that US participation in a strike would be “suicidal” and that “we’d lose the war that follows.”
The US is not at war with Iran yet. But the chances we’ll be drawn into one are rising. So though Democrats generally despise the America Firsters’ domestic politics, dismiss them as bigots and xenophobes, and are appalled by their calls to abandon Ukraine — it’s worth noting that they’re the leading GOP figures opposing war with Iran.
The America Firsters have also called for rethinking the US’s approach to the world more broadly. That not only includes questioning our involvement in NATO, but also questio
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I think you may be looking at all of this through a far too conventional lens.
Hey, isn't this when you are supposed to call Trump a war monger?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Israel's attack on Iran won't give Trump leverage, unless we manage to overturn the Iranian government completely.
And I smell a lot of "if" coming off that plan.
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Did you notice the close parallel between Israel's actions and Ukraine's? Both are USA proxies. Both are in negotiations, and both attacked while negotiating and literally a day before the next scheduled negotiation.
So, when it was widely thought that Israel engineered a lightning victory, Trump was happy to claim credit. After a phone call from Putin, Trump is reduced to diasvowing, whining, and threatening.
Somebody, take his access to Truth Social away from him! He's his own worst enemy, and he would help his Presidency immensely if he'd just STFU.
You were warned about Trump. He is in way over his head and because of that the world could burn. If not because of Iran, then because of something else.
He and his staff claim this and that because he can’t own whatever it is he is responsible for. As President he is only capable of reacting, not acting. And that’s very dangerous.
You were warned comrade. Your logic picked him for the job.
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If Harris had been elected, illegals would STILL be pouring over the border.
And Trump, no matter how akwardly, sent a warning shot across the bows of several nations that dump their products into the USA market.
I knew Trump's middle east policy would be all fucked up.
BUT SO WAS BIDEN'S. The Palestinian genocide (55,000 Palestinians killed or starved to death in the world's largest open air concentration camp, so far) and attack on Lebanon started on BIDEN'S watch, not Trump's. Did Biden do anything to halt it, like stopping aid, arms, and intelligence to Israel?
The arming up of Ukraine after sanctions failure, urging Kiev to fight to the last Ukrainian, occurred on BIDEN'S watch, not Trump's.
These policies are FULLY BIPARTISAN. AIPAC and the neocons seem to have Congress in lock step.
If Trump manages to slow down spending on these wars (that we started) despite Lindsay Graham and Chuck Schumer, that will be an accomplishment.
Maybe Trump is blathering to keep Congress off balance and confused as to what he REALLY is doing, but then he comes up with stupid ideas like the Gaza Strip resort and the mineral deal with Zelensky. And he's confounding the nations that he says he's negotiating with.
I'm on board with most of his stated goals:
Reindustrialization
Halt illegal immigration and start deportations
Reach detente with Russia.
Reduce waste and fraud in government .... and Congress (which the source of a lot of that)
NOT on board with supporting Israel, attacking Iran, or any sort of military action v China.
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I think you may be looking at all of this through a far too conventional lens.
Hey, isn't this when you are supposed to call Trump a war monger?
T
Warmonger is one word, stupid.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, I'm skeptical about the "reasons" for the war.
This time, someone convinced Trump that striking Iran with missiles and drones will give him "leverage" in "negotiations" about Iranian "nuclear weapons". Very similar to him being convinced that attacking Russia's nuclear assets would force Russia to agree cease fire.
I don't think anybody convinced him about anything.
Whether or not Trump knew that Israel was going to do this beforehand, this DID give him leverage with negotiations with Iran on nuclear weapons. I'd say it's given him leverage with any negotiations with them on any topic. The only question is, is this now taking advantage of a fortunate opportunity, or was Trump behind it?
That's really not a question I want to know the answer to because if it comes out that Trump was behind it and Iran finds out about it that's bad news for everyone. Better for everyone not to know.Quote:
Like somebody convinced brain-dead Bush that Iraq had WMD.
Not like that at all, for the reason stated above.Quote:
Like Biden and Ukraine. Biden would draw red line after red line for his admin, only to cave a few months later.
Different Presidents.
Same shit.
I don't think so in this case.
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I think you may be looking at all of this through a far too conventional lens.
A Battered Iran Signals It Wants to De-Escalate Hostilities With Israel and Negotiate
Messages passed by Tehran through intermediaries seek a return to talks if the U.S. stays out of the fight
https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/a-battered-iran-signals-it-wants
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Archive to avoid paywall: https://archive.ph/lp6sN
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Ali Khamenei: ruthless defender of Iran’s revolution with few good options left
The Iranian supreme leader is backed into a corner, a situation he has spent his life doing his best to avoid
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/16/ali-khamenei-ruthless-de
fender-of-iran-revolution-with-few-good-options-left
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Well, Trump probably can't resist butting in on Israel's behalf.
Interesting observation: Tehran struck Israel's refinery in Haifa, which supplies 60% of Israel's gasoline, diesel, and jet fuel. Israel is primarily using aircraft, not long-range missiles like Iran, and they need to be refueled partway to Iran. With the majority of its jet fuel gone, Trump is redeploying a lot of tanker aircraft to Europe, where they'll be available for Israel.
Israel is actually pretty vulnerable. It's a small, highly concentrated nation. Hit its fuel supplies, ports, and desalination plants, and it WILL become unliveable. And Iran has the capability to do it.
If Iran is sitting down to talk, it's probably at Russia's urging. Russia stalled for time for almost a decade before addressing the security threat that Ukraine posed.
"Run away, or talk yourself out of it. If you can't do either, fight to kill"
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Like I said before, I think the conventional "wisdom" needs to be thrown out the window right now.
We've learned over time that the "intellectual" class is full of shit and nothing they say will happen ever does happen. That and despite the fact the world kept getting shittier we just kept following their words right off the fucking cliff like Lemmings for the last 40 years.
They hate Trump because he doesn't follow their rules or their plan. They hate us because we stopped listening to them and we reject the shit world they have constructed for us.
As for US... We need to stop reading headlines and falling for their clickbait and daily freakouts.
Take a look at the news in the last 6 months and see just how wrong their predictions about everything have been so far. You can literally take any headline or clickbait video that Ted has posted here since inauguration day and shut them down with how events have actually played out long after that clickbait ad revenue stopped flowing to those older videos.
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