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IRAN: Trump's war?

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Saturday, June 14, 2025 12:05 AM


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Trump Knew of Israel’s Planned Attack on Iran All Along
Edith Olmsted
Fri, June 13, 2025 at 6:45 AM PDT


Israeli officials say that their country’s deadly military strike on Iran was rubber-stamped by Donald Trump, despite his claims to have had nothing to do with it.

Just hours before Israel’s massive operation Thursday targeting Iran’s ballistic missile and nuclear facilities, military officials, and nuclear scientists, Trump claimed he was against an attack because it would “blow” ongoing diplomatic talks, which were set to continue this weekend.

Two Israeli officials told Axios, however, that Trump was lying and the president had only pretended to publicly oppose Israel’s military operation to “eliminate” ballistic missile and nuclear facilities, which was reportedly eight months in the making.

“We had a clear U.S. green light,” one Israeli official told Axios.



This is the same as Trump saying he "didn't know" that the Zelensky regime was going to attack Russian nuclear assets. The only difference is that Zelensky kept his mouth shut, but Bibi had to brag.

Now, who is going to negotiate with a President who uses negotiations merely to get the opposing side to let their guard down?

Nobody, that's who.

You can forget any kind of nuclear agreement with Russia, and probably Iran.

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In a phone call with Netanyahu Monday, Trump reportedly urged the Israeli prime minister to stop chatter about a potential strike on Iran. But Israeli officials told Axios that the call had really been about coordination ahead of the attack, and Netanyahu’s aides had lied to reporters.

The New York Times reported in April that Israel, which is not a participant in the ongoing nuclear talks, had made plans to attack Iranian nuclear sites that were waved off by Trump, who wanted to continue negotiating with Tehran. The White House made it clear, at least publicly, that if Israel wanted to strike it would do so alone.

On Wednesday, some U.S. personnel were evacuated from the region, including from Baghdad and Bahrain, citing security concerns. When asked what Israeli officials had told him that prompted the evacuations, Trump said, “They didn’t tell me anything, but I said look, there’s a chance of massive conflict.”

For a guy who says he had nothing to do with the attack, Trump has been quick to use the strike as leverage.

“Iran should have listened to me when I said—you know I gave them, I don’t know if you know but I gave them a 60-day warning and today is day 61. They should now come to the table to make a deal before it’s too late. It will be too late for them,” the president told CNN.

He also said that the strike had killed some of the people who’d been part of nuclear talks. “You know the people I was dealing with are dead, the hard-liners,” Trump added. Iran’s top negotiator in the nuclear talks, Ali Shamkhani, has been confirmed dead.

When asked by The Wall Street Journal Friday what kind of heads-up Israel had given the U.S. about the impending strike, Trump replied, “Heads-up? It wasn’t a heads-up. It was, we know what’s going on.”



In other words, Trump was "in the loop" all along.

Just to clarify: Most analysts in alt media think this has NOTHING to do with Iranian nuclear weapons, and everything to do with REGIME CHANGE in Iran. (Just like attacking Russian nuclear assets and deliberately killing civilians on a passenger train has nothing to do with winning the war in Ukraine and everything to do with regime change in Russia.)

The only person in alt media who thinks that Iran has a nuclear weapons program is Scott Ritter, former Marine and USA and UN* nuclear weapons inspector. (He was part of a team that enforced the SALT treaty with Russia, and part of Hans Blix's UN team inspecting Iraq for WMD, BEFORE we invaded Iraq.)

I tend to agree, but also disagree. In his view, Iran has all the important pieces for a nuclear missile: 60% en

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Saturday, June 14, 2025 1:32 AM

Nobody cares.

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Saturday, June 14, 2025 9:04 AM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Nobody cares.

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People will when gas goes to $10/ gal and American bodies start coming home. We, Trump's base, didn't vote for him to keep us in one forever war, and then get us into another.

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."- Henry Kissinger

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Saturday, June 14, 2025 10:38 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Nobody cares.

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"I don't find this stuff amusing anymore." ~Paul Simon

People will when gas goes to $10/ gal and American bodies start coming home. We, Trump's base, didn't vote for him to keep us in one forever war, and then get us into another.

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."- Henry Kissinger

AMERICANS SUPPORT AMERICA





Sure. Okay.

I'm just asking why there's any reason I should believe anything anybody is saying about what's going on today any more than I should have believed what they've been saying about Ukraine since 2014. Or WMD's. Or whatever the fuck they get people terrified about.

You're usually Mrs. Skeptical, but for whatever reason this one has you as spooked as they got you with Covid. I haven't thought about it all day.

I've been hearing this shit all my life, and a quadruple dose of it every day for the last 12 years of it.

Don't give a shit.

If the end of the world is coming, it's coming.

What does that have to do with me?

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Saturday, June 14, 2025 12:03 PM

Oh, I'm skeptical about the "reasons" for the war.

This time, someone convinced Trump that striking Iran with missiles and drones will give him "leverage" in "negotiations" about Iranian "nuclear weapons". Very similar to him being convinced that attacking Russia'snuclear assets would force Russia to agree cease fire.

Like somebody convinced brain-dead Bush that Iraq had WMD.

Like Biden and Ukraine. Biden would draw red line after red line for his admin, only to cave a few months later.

Different President.

Same shit.

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Saturday, June 14, 2025 12:04 PM

Oh, I'm skeptical about the "reasons" for the war.

This time, someone convinced Trump that striking Iran with missiles and drones will give him "leverage" in "negotiations" about Iranian "nuclear weapons". Very similar to him being convinced that attacking Russia's nuclear assets would force Russia to agree cease fire.

Like somebody convinced brain-dead Bush that Iraq had WMD.

Like Biden and Ukraine. Biden would draw red line after red line for his admin, only to cave a few months later.

Different Presidents.

Same shit.

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."- Henry Kissinger

AMERICANS SUPPORT AMERICA

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Monday, June 16, 2025 6:53 AM

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The Zionists are Crying, “Uncle Sam”

14 June 2025 by Larry C. Johnson 414 Comments

Israel’s initial euphoria over its Friday morning strikes on Iranian targets is fading as Israeli inhabitants get a taste of their own medicine. Israel’s much touted Iron Dome is a total bust. I have posted a couple of videos below that show the Iranian missiles arriving unimpeded.

In his latest video, BORZZIKMAN reports that the Iranian strike yesterday on the IDF version of the Pentagon destroyed a THAAD air defense system that was deployed to “protect” the building.



Pepe Escobar was interviewed earlier today by Nima and provided some important news from his impeccable Russian sources. Israel, with help from the West, hit Iran with a cyberattack early Friday morning (Tehran time) that disabled Iran’s air-defense system. Israel and the West anticipated this would disable Iran’s ability to track and attack inbound missiles for several days. According to Pepe, Iranian technicians got the system up and running in 10 hours.

The Potemkin Village propaganda generated by Israel and spread by Western media is coming apart at the seams. While many in the West still believe that Israel has struck a fatal blow on Iran and that Iran is just days away from a collapse, the Iranian missile force is alive and well and bombing the shit out of Israel. I suspect that Iran is employing Houthi tactics with their ballistic missiles that are fired from mobile launchers — i.e., instead of relying on fixed sites, Iran is deploying its missiles around the country on mobile launchers, which are virtually impossible to detect and destroy in a timely manner. As I write this, Iran reportedly has launched an eighth-wave of missiles. Iran is going to engage Israel in a tit-for-tat battle until Israel ceases its attacks on Iran.

The following report from AXIOS is indicative of Israeli panic:



The following videos highlight the problem confronting Israel… it can’t stop Iranian missiles.

[The videos aren't available in YouTube. You'll have to go here to see them:
https://sonar21.com/the-zionists-are-crying-uncle-sam/ ]

Another reality confronting Israel is that the United States does not have unlimited supplies of air defense missiles, and other weapons, to send to Israel. For example, consider the limitations of the THAAD and SM-3 antiballistic missile systems… the US can only manufacture 50-75 THAAD and 60-84 SM-3 interceptors per year! I read another report today — can’t find it now — that the US is sending weapons intended for Ukraine to Israel. I’m sure Zelensky will be thrilled with that news. If this report is true, Ukraine’s days are numbered. Without sustained US military and intelligence support, Ukraine cannot sustain its military operations through the summer.

I want to remind you of the Strategic Partnership Agreement that Russia and Iran signed on January 17. Here are the critical sections pertaining to the current war with Israel:

Article 3

3. In the event that either Contracting Party is subject to aggression, the other Contracting Party shall not provide any military or other assistance to the aggressor which would contribute to the continued aggression, and shall help to ensure that the differences that have arisen are settled on the basis of the United Nations Charter and other applicable rules of international law.


So, what does this mean? The right to self-defense is recognized in Article 51 of the UN Charter, which allows countries to defend themselves if an armed attack occurs. This self-defense must be:

In response to an actual armed attack
Immediate and necessary
Proportional to the threat

Israel’s attack on Iranian nuclear facilities, under the terms of this agreement, means that Iran, with Russian support, will be fully entitled to respond militarily. Russia sent Israel and the United States a clear warning… Russia has Iran’s back.

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Monday, June 16, 2025 6:58 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, I'm skeptical about the "reasons" for the war.

This time, someone convinced Trump that striking Iran with missiles and drones will give him "leverage" in "negotiations" about Iranian "nuclear weapons". Very similar to him being convinced that attacking Russia's nuclear assets would force Russia to agree cease fire.



I don't think anybody convinced him about anything.

Whether or not Trump knew that Israel was going to do this beforehand, this DID give him leverage with negotiations with Iran on nuclear weapons. I'd say it's given him leverage with any negotiations with them on any topic. The only question is, is this now taking advantage of a fortunate opportunity, or was Trump behind it?

That's really not a question I want to know the answer to because if it comes out that Trump was behind it and Iran finds out about it that's bad news for everyone. Better for everyone not to know.

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Like somebody convinced brain-dead Bush that Iraq had WMD.


Not like that at all, for the reason stated above.

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Like Biden and Ukraine. Biden would draw red line after red line for his admin, only to cave a few months later.

Different Presidents.

Same shit.



I don't think so in this case.

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Monday, June 16, 2025 9:03 AM

Israel's attack on Iran won't give Trump leverage, unless we manage to overturn the Iranian government completely.

And I smell a lot of "if" coming off that plan.

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Did you notice the close parallel between Israel's actions and Ukraine's? Both are USA proxies. Both are in negotiations, and both attacked while negotiating and literally a day before the next scheduled negotiation.

So, when it was widely thought that Israel engineered a lightning victory, Trump was happy to claim credit. After a phone call from Putin, Trump is reduced to diasvowing, whining, and threatening.

Somebody, take his access to Truth Social away from him! He's his own worst enemy, and he would help his Presidency immensely if he'd just STFU.



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Monday, June 16, 2025 10:25 AM

I think you may be looking at all of this through a far too conventional lens.



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