The Joker 2: The Musical Doo Deux failure thread
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completely crashing
made 1.8 million
it continues to struggle to reach 40 Million?
Warner Bros.'s Joker: Folie à Deux grossed an estimated $1.83M on Monday (from 4,102 locations). Estimated total domestic gross stands at $39.50M.
https://x.com/borreport/status/1843670417833402794
You could compare it to the trainwreck called 'The Marvels' but it seems to be doing even worse
it is dropping off faster than Morbius which was delayed by Covid from year 2020 to 2022
The Marvels seems to have done better and had a Domestic Box Office $84, Joker 2 could do even worse again.
Worse than Birds of Prey, Madame Web, Haunted Mansion, Blue Beetle?
Halloween season comes soon, 1.8 million would not pay the electric invoice or heating bills in all cinema, the cinemas will probably dump it for a random slasher horror movie soon...overseas world wide are also starting to hate it, terrible feedback everywhere.
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I did mention I expected this to behave somewhat like Blue Beetle and Shazam II.
It's still going to do better than both of those because of the international turnout. It's got $115 Million worldwide right now. I don't have the numbers in front of me right now, but if memory serves Blue Beetle and Shazam II both did in the area of $125 - $135 Million worldwide. It's essentially an impossibility for Joker 2 to do as bad as either of them. I think their budgets were only around $120-$125 though, so Joker 2 may still do worse on the ratio than both of them if this downward spiral keeps picking up speed.
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It only took 6 days for Joker to fall into 2nd place behind the robot kid movie.
We almost fell to sub-$1 Million in the first week. It sees at least 3 days next week under a million. Maybe even under a million on Cheap Seat Tuesday too.
I wonder if any lessons were learned here.
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Quote:The lesson is that a Joker movie will likely be successful if the Joker goes on a murder rampage. If he doesn't, the movie will likely fail. In Joker 1, Joker murdered his mother and others. In Joker 2, Joker didn't murder anyone. If the Joker's love interest, Lady Gaga (fulfilling the role of his mother in the previous movie) had been murdered by the Joker, the movie could have been a huge financial success. If anyone wants to test this theory that success follows from mass murder, please plot the movie ticket sales versus the number of Joker's victims in previous movies with Joker as a main character.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I wonder if any lessons were learned here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joker:_Folie_%C3%A0_Deux#Plot
See the very first Batman in 1989. The Joker was on a murder rampage and the movie was very lucrative for Hollywood. Mass Murder sells movie tickets.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_(1989_film)#Plot
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Batman#tab=summary
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Quote:If Trump loses, you will learn no lessons. Instead, you will insist he should have won and you will be primed for his next campaign.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I wonder if any lessons were learned here.
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Why No One Will Get Fired Over ‘Joker: Folie à Deux’
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/joker-folie-a-deux
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When Michael De Luca and Pamela Abdy took over as co-heads of Warner Bros.’ movie studio in early June 2021, one of the first decisions they made was to move forward with a sequel to Joker, the Oscar-winning, $1 billion hit that helped redefine the heights a comic book movie could reach.
Virtually all the key deals were already put in place by their predecessor, Toby Emmerich, with A-list director Todd Phillips and star Joaquin Phoenix getting $20 million paydays.
One small outstanding matter was Lady Gaga’s perk package. Within weeks, the papers were signed — her pay was $12 million — and she officially joined Joker: Folie à Deux.
Abdy and De Luca could have said no to making the film, but they would have been the laughing stocks of Hollywood, considering the astonishing success of Joker and its record-shattering ride at the global box office, where it ranked as the top-grossing R-rated film of all time until Deadpool & Wolverine came along.
While it is not the lowest North American opening for a pic based on a DC character, Joker: Folie à Deux is major stumble. Yet numerous sources tell The Hollywood Reporter that there’s no studio head in Hollywood — save perhaps for Sony Pictures’ Tom Rothman — who would have turned down making a sequel to a film that was both a commercial and critical hit. To boot, Abdy and De Luca were under orders by Warner Bros. Discovery chief David Zaslav to fill a bare cupboard after the studio’s Project Popcorn disaster, which alienated talent by sending its entire 2021 slate day-and-date to streaming service Max. Zaslav also is keen to exploit the company’s IP more fully.
“It is a collective failure, but it was right to make this movie,” says one top veteran producer and financier, who points out that Phillips is a brilliant director who has made Warners billions between the first Joker and The Hangover movies.
There was no test screening, though insiders say this was a mutual decision between the filmmaker and Warners in order to preserve spoilers. That decision does stretch credulity, as the film does not have a particularly spoiler-heavy plot, and even spoilerific movies like Marvel Studios’ Avengers: Engdame had multiple test screenings.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Originally posted by second:
Why No One Will Get Fired Over ‘Joker: Folie à Deux’
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/joker-folie-a-deux
-who-blame-dc-1236025585/
When Michael De Luca and Pamela Abdy took over as co-heads of Warner Bros.’ movie studio in early June 2021, one of the first decisions they made was to move forward with a sequel to Joker, the Oscar-winning, $1 billion hit that helped redefine the heights a comic book movie could reach.
Virtually all the key deals were already put in place by their predecessor, Toby Emmerich, with A-list director Todd Phillips and star Joaquin Phoenix getting $20 million paydays.
One small outstanding matter was Lady Gaga’s perk package. Within weeks, the papers were signed — her pay was $12 million — and she officially joined Joker: Folie à Deux.
Abdy and De Luca could have said no to making the film, but they would have been the laughing stocks of Hollywood, considering the astonishing success of Joker and its record-shattering ride at the global box office, where it ranked as the top-grossing R-rated film of all time until Deadpool & Wolverine came along.
While it is not the lowest North American opening for a pic based on a DC character, Joker: Folie à Deux is major stumble. Yet numerous sources tell The Hollywood Reporter that there’s no studio head in Hollywood — save perhaps for Sony Pictures’ Tom Rothman — who would have turned down making a sequel to a film that was both a commercial and critical hit. To boot, Abdy and De Luca were under orders by Warner Bros. Discovery chief David Zaslav to fill a bare cupboard after the studio’s Project Popcorn disaster, which alienated talent by sending its entire 2021 slate day-and-date to streaming service Max. Zaslav also is keen to exploit the company’s IP more fully.
“It is a collective failure, but it was right to make this movie,” says one top veteran producer and financier, who points out that Phillips is a brilliant director who has made Warners billions between the first Joker and The Hangover movies.
There was no test screening, though insiders say this was a mutual decision between the filmmaker and Warners in order to preserve spoilers. That decision does stretch credulity, as the film does not have a particularly spoiler-heavy plot, and even spoilerific movies like Marvel Studios’ Avengers: Engdame had multiple test screenings.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
This is about 12 paragraphs of bullshit is what this is.
You can't make an argument that "anybody would have been foolish not to make a sequel after how well the first one did", because that's not the argument to be made here.
No fucking kidding a sequel was going to be made.
That doesn't mean you give the director 4 times as much money and just tell him to make whatever he wants. That doesn't mean you don't intervene immediately when somebody says they're going to make a Joker musical in 2024.
There's a lot of blame to go around for this. And everyone knew this one was going to fail except for the people who made it. I called this a loser well over a year ago when the rumors it starred Gaga and it would be a musical were confirmed.
Honestly... I thought this was going to be one of the scrapped movies after the strike because of the musical thing. But they did it anyway.
As Arthur would have told them, "you get what you fucking deserve".
That goes for your firing choices after this movie too. Keep those people employed for the next flop and we'll see how well you learn your lesson next time.
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I'm going to get a real good laugh if tonight's release "Terrifier 3" takes the top spot over Joker 2.
I've never even heard of the first two, but Bruce thinks this is a possibility even though the Christmas slasher will be in just over half of the theaters that Joker 2 is playing in this weekend.
Bruce makes no mention of it in his theater count article, but I'd probably be just as worried about the Robot Cartoon that came out a week before Joker 2 dethrones it. We've already gotten a recent reminder of how poorly an R-Rated movie performs against other movies with Deadpool and Wolverine earlier this year, and 3 of the top 6 movies in 2024 are kids movies.
If Joker 2's hold is particularly weak on weekend 2, and The Wild Robot's hold is particularly strong, there's a possibility that Joker 2 doesn't fare better than 3rd place this weekend. Bruce seems to think that more than one of the new releases this week have a shot of overtaking Joker as well, so that would be really funny to wake up on Sunday morning and see the studio projections have Joker 2 in 4th place.
I don't think it will do nearly that bad, but I base that just on what I've viewed historically in movies. This one's probably a pretty unique case here. Worst Cinemascore of the year (and I've heard some people say in history). A fan base given the middle finger by the director and anyone else involved. The fact that it's a musical.
Who knows... Joker could see something stupid like a -80% drop from its already terrible opening weekend.
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Quote:Are you aware of the word "conceited"? Terrible things happen to conceited Americans who lack the qualities and the knowledge they pride themselves on having. Conceited Hollywood directors think they know what audiences want, so they don't run test screenings. Same with Trumptards convinced they know the results of an election before it is held.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:Quote:There's a lot of blame to go around for this. And everyone knew this one was going to fail except for the people who made it. I called this a loser well over a year ago when the rumors it starred Gaga and it would be a musical were confirmed.
Originally posted by second:
“It is a collective failure, but it was right to make this movie,” says one top veteran producer and financier, who points out that Phillips is a brilliant director who has made Warners billions between the first Joker and The Hangover movies.
There was no test screening, though insiders say this was a mutual decision between the filmmaker and Warners in order to preserve spoilers. That decision does stretch credulity, as the film does not have a particularly spoiler-heavy plot, and even spoilerific movies like Marvel Studios’ Avengers: Engdame had multiple test screenings.
Honestly... I thought this was going to be one of the scrapped movies after the strike because of the musical thing. But they did it anyway.
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$77 million from 76 overseas markets.
https://x.com/Variety/status/1843383468455276590
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Originally posted by second:
See the very first Batman in 1989. The Joker was on a murder rampage and the movie was very lucrative for Hollywood. Mass Murder sells movie tickets.
Why is this a better movie, did Burton have his own style perhaps he had something to say
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
It only took 6 days for Joker to fall into 2nd place behind the robot kid movie.
So predictions seem correct, it failed on the first week
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