The Joker 2: The Musical Doo Deux failure thread
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And none of this isn't something I was saying about the movie over a year ago right here.
I don't know where my posts about that would be now. Maybe in the original Joker thread.
But when I first heard almost 2 years ago that Joker 2 was going to be a musical that starred Lady Gaga I thought that was just somebody trolling and a rumor that was spreading around. Once we found out that's exactly what it was going to be around a year ago I'd already called this one a flop.
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Joker 2 Is So Bad It’s Almost Laughable
Even Lady Gaga can’t save this horrible movie.
By Dana Stevens | Oct 04, 2024 4:43 PM
Without spoiling the ending, it’s safe to say that with it, [Writer/Director] Phillips seems to foreclose the likelihood that anyone will be begging for more. That’s probably a blessing for both the filmmaker and us, since this somber, muddled, maudlin film seems to have been made by someone who holds his characters and his audience in contempt.
https://slate.com/culture/2024/10/joker-2-movie-lady-gaga-joaquin-phoe
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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In ‘Joker: Folie à Deux,’ the joke, unfortunately, is on the audience
By G. Allen Johnson | Oct 2, 2024
“Joker: Folie à Deux” is a traumatizing cinematic experience, so insistent on being grim and static, that one wonders if director Todd Phillips’ goal was to set fire to the whole idea of a comic book movie. Which could be an interesting idea, if executed well. This is not.
And “Joker: Folie à Deux” co-stars Lady Gaga! How can you screw up a movie that has Lady Gaga? Here’s how: make it claustrophobic, with the first half a brutal prison picture and the second half an excruciatingly dull courtroom drama.
The first “Joker” was basically a remake of director Martin Scorsese’s “Taxi Driver,” but it marked its own original territory as a comment on urban blight, harsh capitalism and vigilantism. It was, in fact, a deconstruction of the comic book movie, with gritty, realistic violence instead of the cartoonish action usually seen in DC and Marvel films. Arthur’s murder spree, wherein he becomes the Joker, makes him both villain to the mainstream and cult hero to the oppressed. He becomes a breaker of systems.
In “Folie à Deux,” he has become emasculated.
https://eedition.houstonchronicle.com/infinity/article_popover_share.a
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https://www.houstonchronicle.com/entertainment/movies_tv/article/joker
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Originally posted by second:
The first “Joker” was basically a remake of director Martin Scorsese’s “Taxi Driver,” but it marked its own original territory as a comment on urban blight, harsh capitalism and vigilantism. It was, in fact, a deconstruction of the comic book movie, with gritty, realistic violence instead of the cartoonish action usually seen in DC and Marvel films. Arthur’s murder spree, wherein he becomes the Joker, makes him both villain to the mainstream and cult hero to the oppressed. He becomes a breaker of systems.
This is so condescending when they write things like this. It's the same rhetoric that the "mainstream" media has been using for everything from geek culture entertainment to serious political discussion. They ARE the "mainstream", so their opinion is the right opinion. This is a subtle Us vs. Them statement, and they know that people who believe everything that they say are going to (and did) believe that anybody who thought Joker was a great movie automatically loved Joker/Arthur and wanted to emulate him.
This couldn't be further from the truth.
I'll come right out and say it again. Joker/Arthur was an evil piece of shit and nobody should want to emulate his behavior. It's sad that people with serious mental health issues in America are NOT getting the help they need, especially over the last 30 years or so, but that does not justify any of his behavior in that movie. And all of the fatherless, unemployed behavior of the Left since the summer of 2020 carried out by people with mental issues in public should not be tolerated and should be severely punished as well.
THIS is exactly why Todd Phillips set fire to his career. They made him believe that their perception of the audience who viewed Joker favorably was true, while also entirely disregarding the fact that even the Critics who are mostly Alt-Left also gave it stellar reviews and it won awards all across the world.
So, because of this, he took the $200 Million that was given to him for a sequel and set fire to his own career by making something that pleases no one.
I would suggest that somebody check up on Todd and see how his mental health is doing right now.
In any event...
Don't you love it when something comes out that is so unbelievably bad that everybody across the entire spectrum can come together and join hands and hate on it.
I can't even remember the last time something like this happened.
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Haha. Awesome....
https://www.cinemascore.com/
D. Joker 2 got a D at Cinemascore. Fuck you, Todd.
What does a D at Cinemascore mean? Let's put that into perspective.
The Crow remake, which grossed $15 Million worldwide on a $50 Million budget got a B-.
Transformers One, which still hasn't made its $75 Million production budget back after 14 days got an A.
Twisters, which grossed $367 Million fell short of the $387.5 Million it needed to break even. It scored an A-.
Argylle, one of the years biggest box office flops earning only $90 Million on a $200 Million budget got a C+
Borderlands, almost surely the years biggest flop so far with a $32 Million return on a $120 Million budget got a D+
Other Cinemascores for 2024 flops:
Mean Girls (Musical Remake): B
Madame Web: C+
Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire: B+
Civil War: B-
The Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare: A-
The Fall Guy: A-
Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga: B+
Trap: C+
Megalopolis: D+
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Quote:Are you aware of Todd Phillips' complete oeuvre? It is low-brow:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
In any event...
Don't you love it when something comes out that is so unbelievably bad that everybody across the entire spectrum can come together and join hands and hate on it.
I can't even remember the last time something like this happened.
2009 The Hangover
2010 Due Date
2011 The Hangover Part II
2013 The Hangover Part III
2016 War Dogs
2019 Joker
2024 Joker: Folie a Deux
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Phillips#Feature_film
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Joker: Folie à Deux
https://www.metacritic.com/movie/joker-folie-a-deux/
Metascore Mixed or Average
45
User Score Mixed or Average Based on 237 User Ratings
4.1
Joker 2 Early Ticket Sales Are in the Same Range of Two Box Office Bombs From 2023
https://gamerant.com/joker-2-box-office-prediction-early-ticket-sales-
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also Warner Bros in a contest vs itself
Beetlejuice Beetlejuice Warner Bros vs Joker 2 Warner Bros, a sabotage of its own profits that does not seem to be a smart move
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Are you aware of Todd Phillips' complete oeuvre? It is low-brow:
2009 The Hangover
2010 Due Date
2011 The Hangover Part II
2013 The Hangover Part III
2016 War Dogs
2019 Joker
2024 Joker: Folie a Deux
Yup.
Pretty sure he did Road Trip and a few other comedies much earlier than 2009 too.
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I Watched ‘Joker 2’ at an Opening Night Imax Screening at the Grove: The Fanboys Were Nowhere to Be Found
https://variety.com/2024/film/news/inside-joker-2-opening-night-imax-s
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During a Thursday editorial meeting, a Variety editor asked if anyone was willing to give up their Friday evening to write a piece covering an opening night screening of “Joker: Folie à Deux.” After an interminable silence with no takers, I reluctantly raised my hand. With Todd Phillips’ previous “Joker,” I watched Joaquin Phoenix transform into the titular Clown Prince of Darkness from a plum seat at the Toronto Film Festival during its North American premiere at a theater filled with journalists and VIPs. This would be a different experience, with me sandwiched in with the sweaty fanboy masses. It turns out I was wrong.
(How is the movie-going experience? Not good. Watch the pirated version at home.)
The couple to my right — two men — moved to two empty seats to my right after the trailers ended. But a minute into the movie, another couple — male and female — arrived and wanted their rightful seats. They stood directly in front of me arguing, resulting in me missing most of the animated intro. Once the heterosexual couple nestled into their seats, they started to get busy. Really busy. Kissing, talking, ignoring the movie altogether. At one point, they were spooning, with their seats fully reclined — the woman (and man’s hand) stretching into my territory. My fears of catching a mass shooter stray were replaced by landing an STD by proximity.
Throughout the screening, the (still not full) theater was filled with constant movement. People coming, people going. To the bathroom, to the concession stand, just stretching their legs amid the 2:19 runtime. A couple of walkouts ensued. It felt busier than LAX, where I had just landed hours earlier. Despite all of the bustle, this was the lowest-energy crowd I have witnessed in some time. No cheers. No laughter at the few jokes. Definitely no singing along to the very recognizable tunes.
Ahead of the screening, the gay couple to my right agreed to give me their full take on the film after “Joker” ended. But the second the first end credit rolled, they made a beeline for the exit along with most of the theater. Only about five patrons watched to see the hundreds of names who toiled on this ambitious project shot here in their hometown.
I made my way to the only one person who looked like a potential fanboy, an empty bucket of popcorn in his hand, as the lights came up. Again, I misjudged. Tedashii was not a self-described fanboy by any stretch. He just liked the first film and showed up for another outing of unabashed nihilism. “Long but enjoyable” was his overall critique. But he, too, struggled with his fellow theatergoers and their lack of engagement.
“There were people next to me whispering and talking, hugged up, kissing. And I’m just like, ‘Why are you spending $50 plus concessions to come here to watch?’” Tedashii asked. “I mean, literally, the judge is hit in the back of the head. And then as soon as it’s done, they’re whispering. And then [Joker and Harley Quinn] tell a joke, and then [his seat neighbor] kisses her. And I was just like, ‘What is happening next to me?’”
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