The multipolar world
POSTED BY: SIGNYM
UPDATED: Wednesday, September 18, 2024 00:50
VIEWED: 1518
PAGE 1 of 1
Placeholder no longer!
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
I've been looking for a decent summary of recent, grossly under-reported events, so I wouldn't have to post so much. Here it is
Quote:
In Moscow, Xi and Putin Bury Pax Americana
Pepe Escobar • March 22, 2023
What has just taken place in Moscow is nothing less than a new Yalta, which, incidentally, is in Crimea. But unlike the momentous meeting of US President Franklin Roosevelt, Soviet Leader Joseph Stalin, and British Prime Minister Winston Churchill in USSR-run Crimea in 1945, this is the first time in arguably five centuries that no political leader from the west is setting the global agenda.
It’s Chinese President Xi Jinping and Russian President Vladimir Putin that are now running the multilateral, multipolar show. Western exceptionalists may deploy their crybaby routines as much as they want: nothing will change the spectacular optics, and the underlying substance of this developing world order, especially for the Global South.
What Xi and Putin are setting out to do was explained in detail before their summit, in two Op-Eds penned by the presidents themselves. Like a highly-synchronized Russian ballet, Putin’s vision was laid out in the People’s Daily in China, focusing on a “future-bound partnership,” while Xi’s was published in the Russian Gazette and the RIA Novosti website, focusing on a new chapter in cooperation and common development.
Right from the start of the summit, the speeches by both Xi and Putin drove the NATO crowd into a hysterical frenzy of anger and envy: Russian Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova perfectly captured the mood when she remarked that the west was “foaming at the mouth.”
The front page of the Russian Gazette on Monday was iconic: Putin touring Nazi-free Mariupol, chatting with residents, side by side with Xi’s Op-Ed. That was, in a nutshell, Moscow’s terse response to Washington’s MQ-9 Reaper stunt and the International Criminal Court (ICC) kangaroo court shenanigans. “Foam at the mouth” as much as you like; NATO is in the process of being thoroughly humiliated in Ukraine.
During their first “informal” meeting, Xi and Putin talked for no less than four and a half hours. At the end, Putin personally escorted Xi to his limo. This conversation was the real deal: mapping out the lineaments of multipolarity – which starts with a solution for Ukraine.
Predictably, there were very few leaks from the sherpas, but there was quite a significant one on their “in-depth exchange” on Ukraine. Putin politely stressed he respects China’s position – expressed in Beijing’s 12-point conflict resolution plan, which has been completely rejected by Washington. But the Russian position remains ironclad: demilitarization, Ukrainian neutrality, and enshrining the new facts on the ground.
In parallel, the Russian Foreign Ministry completely ruled out a role for the US, UK, France, and Germany in future Ukraine negotiations: they are not considered neutral mediators.
A multipolar patchwork quilt
The next day was all about business: everything from energy and “military-technical” cooperation to improving the efficacy of trade and economic corridors running through Eurasia.
Russia already ranks first as a natural gas supplier to China – surpassing Turkmenistan and Qatar – most of it via the 3,000 km Power of Siberia pipeline that runs from Siberia to China’s northeastern Heilongjiang province, launched in December 2019. Negotiations on the Power of Siberia II pipeline via Mongolia are advancing fast.
Sino-Russian cooperation in high-tech will go through the roof: 79 projects at over $165 billion. Everything from liquified natural gas (LNG) to aircraft construction, machine tool construction, space research, agro-industry, and upgraded economic corridors.
The Chinese president explicitly said he wants to link the New Silk Road projects to the Eurasia Economic Union (EAEU). This BRI-EAEU interpolation is a natural evolution. China has already signed an economic cooperation deal with the EAEU. Russian macroeconomic uber-strategist Sergey Glazyev’s ideaNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
If what Russia and China are offering other nations is real, I can see how it would be attractive to non-western nations.
Imagine being able to trade, nation to nation, without constant meddling in your internal affairs, politics, alliances, culture, etc. Or constantly being threatened with sanctions or regime change, or having seppuku demanded of you by the west in their never-ending quest for complete global control.
I know the Glaziyev is working on a common non-dollar trade currency. IMHO that won't happen until the various nations have had a decade or so of trading in their national currencies over non- SWIFT lines. But once a common currency happens, the AIIB bank will come into its own and displace the IMF.
-----------
"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If what Russia and China are offering other nations is real, I can see how it would be attractive to non-western nations.
Imagine being able to trade, nation to nation, without constant meddling in your internal affairs, politics, alliances, culture, etc. Or constantly being threatened with sanctions or regime change, or having seppuku demanded of you by the west in their never-ending quest for complete global control.
It's a nice idea, but it wouldn't happen. Not in a million years. The Russian and Chinese government are at least as dubious as ours is. If properly funded, they'd do at least as bad is ours did.
Quote:
I know the Glaziyev is working on a common non-dollar trade currency. IMHO that won't happen until the various nations have had a decade or so of trading in their national currencies over non- SWIFT lines. But once a common currency happens, the AIIB bank will come into its own and displace the IMF.
The Euro didn't work out. I don't see why this would.
--------------------------------------------------
Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
I will assume this is a quote from zerohedge
SIGNYM you posted a zerohedge which some of our posters hate, not that I always disagree with zerohedge they sometimes make good points
I agree with 6IXSTRINGJACK, nobody will be nice in this world, Dragon's, Bears, Eagles whatever they have been symbols of predator creatures that eat others and maybe this symbol is there for a reason. British are Lions, Germany also an Eagle
Each one can suck another nation's resources and do damage, but maybe some actually can be laughed at....like France...what's that national symbol, a Chicken or a Hen?
I'm not sure if more countries will leave the EU after British but the EU will remained damaged and the United Kingdom might not be so united with Scotland in a strange pro-independent position ad wanting back in the EU. Russia and the USA have been political rivals before so in a ways this isn't a new thing.
Across North Africa, the Middle East Arabia and Afghanistan it is a mess and if Russia gets weaker or more distracted all those Ex-Soviet Stan places can start going insane, as 'Strong' as Russia always said it was it always had a huge territorial border and a weak underbelly. It has been a pity the relationship between the USA and Russia is so terrible and it has been long before Putin's stupid Ukraine invasion, after 911 there was a lot of good will with the USA but that will was wasted or lost.
The calmer relationship with North Korea 'rocket-man' is also long over, hit with sanctions Kim might go back to launching missiles and blowing off nukes to try bribe his way to get more money to shut up.
It could be possible that a lot of nations have tried stuff because they see Biden not strong or as old and therefore think the Joe Biden Kamala Harris Admin as lacking experience or weak, Trump's unpredictable nature might have kept people uncertain.
Maybe it was Russia's political expansionism, maybe it was the Bush invasion of Iraq maybe it was Putin killing journalists but for whatever reasons it continued getting worse. The economic center of gravity would not stay in the Atlantic between London and NewYork forever, it is moving back to where it has been for thousands of years past Rome and Greece and Egypt and along a silk road where most of the population of Earth has been for thousands of years with China, India, and all those other countries — which alone account for around most of the global population. Australia, Japan, Europe, Canada and the USA have sanctions on Russia's invasion but a lot of the world also has not joined the sanctions.
I don't see Brics as united but it is a different route and people can trade something else, forms of cyrpto and other bond currency does offer an alternative to the whole US Dollar, Euro, British pound Bretton Woods system of global finance management, the West might be weaker but they are still stronger than other groups. China is probably the big player it can compete with tech, military sats, manufacturing, energy and AI but it does not have the same ambition to rule Earth and set up bases as other Empires have done, they already have a Billion of their own so why take more people. Russia, India, China, South Africa, Brazil are not a true family, they probably more like a gathering of convenience because they want something different to the Anglo-American system. The USSR and Russia in past times were the big players but Putin has destroyed Russia's future by throwing men into a war of attrition, maybe neither Ukraine nor Russia will leave without generational misery and pain. India perhaps could have been friendly but for some reason they were seen on the wrong side in the Coldwar, the USA giving Pakistan weapons, the Hindu Patriot type probably also hold historical grudges against British. Balsonaro ruled he resisted Covid Lockdowns and Lula went to jail then all of a sudden Lula stages astonishing comeback to beat what media described as 'far-right' Bolsonaro then Balsonaro people went Trumpet like, th
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Actually it was posted here
https://thecradle.co/article-view/22818/in-moscow-xi-and-putin-bury-pa
x-americana
-----------
"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Thank you for your post. I don't understand great sweeping concepts, I tend to see things better with concrete examples and mechanistic explanations, so I'm going to have to go thru your post but by bit and maybe ask for details at times by. Sorry.
Quote:I mentally trash 90pct of ZH's content. As ivi often posted, make sure your shit filters are firmly in place before swimming there.
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
SIGNYM you posted a zerohedge which some of our posters hate, not that I always disagree with zerohedge they sometimes make good points.
You haven't hurt my feelings.Quote:Good point
I agree with 6IXSTRINGJACK, nobody will be nice in this world, Dragon's, Bears, Eagles whatever they have been symbols of predator creatures that eat others and maybe this symbol is there for a reason.
OTOH looking out for your SELF interest doesn't necessarily mean being hyper-aggressive, especially when facing a near-peer.
Quote:I see a lot of reasons for the EU to fracture. 1) USA-enforced deindustrialization leading to lower standard of living and falling Euro value 2) political and military disagreements over things like immigration and Russia
I'm not sure if more countries will leave the EU after British but the EU will remained damaged and the United Kingdom might not be so united with Scotland in a strange pro-independent position ad wanting back in the EU. Russia and the USA have been political rivals before so in a ways this isn't a new thing.
Quote:which don't include the Middle East, N Africa or Afghanistan. So i'm not clear which nations you're referring to
Across North Africa, the Middle East Arabia and Afghanistan it is a mess and if Russia gets weaker or more distracted all those Ex-Soviet Stan
Quote:I think the big change is that non-western nations now see Russia as a military peer to the USA and also a necessary commodity supplier, and China as a production superpower.
places can start going insane, as 'Strong' as Russia always said it was it always had a huge territorial border and a weak underbelly. It has been a pity the relationship between the USA and Russia is so terrible and it has been long before Putin's stupid Ukraine invasion, after 911 there was a lot of good will with the USA but that will was wasted or lost.
The calmer relationship with North Korea 'rocket-man' is also long over, hit with sanctions Kim might go back to launching missiles and blowing off nukes to try bribe his way to get more money to shut up.
It could be possible that a lot of nations have tried stuff because they see Biden not strong or as old and therefore think the Joe Biden Kamala Harris Admin as lacking experience or weak,
It's not just that Biden* is mentally feeble and Harris is inexperienced, it's that other nations have come into their own
Quote:It? America's global dominance? Influence? Reputation? All of the above?
Trump's unpredictable nature might have kept people uncertain.
Maybe it was Russia's political expansionism, maybe it was the Bush invasion of Iraq maybe it was Putin killing journalists but for whatever reasons it
Quote:True.
continued getting worse. The economic center of gravity would not stay in the Atlantic between London and NewYork forever, it is moving back to where it has been for thousands of years past Rome and Greece and Egypt and along a silk road where most of the population of Earth has been for thousands of years with China, India, and all those other countries — which alone account for around most of the global population. Australia, Japan, Europe, Canada and the USA have sanctions on Russia's invasion but a lot of the world also has not joined the sanctions.
Quote:
I don't see Brics as united but it is a different route and people can trade something else, forms of cyrpto and other bond currency does offer an alternative to the whole US Dollar, Euro, British pound Bretton Woods systeNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
At the end of the day, somebody is going to be in control of everything, and they don't care at all about any of us.
Personally, I'd rather have our corrupt government in control than any other corrupt government.
Unless it all fails and we end up living in Mad Max world, life really isn't that bad even with them in control. We're free enough to do most things we'd want to do.
It's kind of why I've been tuning out of the news as much as possible. I'm a lot happier when I'm not paying attention to it. It's designed to put you in a bad mood and make you fight with other people.
--------------------------------------------------
Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:Isn't bad FOR WHO? Ask the people of pretty much every place else in the world besides the EU and the "five eyes". We've built a pretty big backlog of blowback and bad karma around the world, and I know they're all about the "multipolar world" but "they" might not be too picky about how they take us down, if they get the chance. Bc we weren't too picky about how we dealt with them.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
At the end of the day, somebody is going to be in control of everything, and they don't care at all about any of us.
Personally, I'd rather have our corrupt government in control than any other corrupt government.
Unless it all fails and we end up living in Mad Max world, life really isn't that bad even with them in control.
Quote:Our system for us. Their system for them. As long as we don't prey on them, kill them wantonly, try and control them etc. I'm sure they'd be happier if we followed that policy.
We're free enough to do most things we'd want to do.
It's kind of why I've been tuning out of the news as much as possible. I'm a lot happier when I'm not paying attention to it. It's designed to put you in a bad mood and make you fight with other people.
-----------
"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Isn't bad FOR WHO?
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
At the end of the day, somebody is going to be in control of everything, and they don't care at all about any of us.
Personally, I'd rather have our corrupt government in control than any other corrupt government.
Unless it all fails and we end up living in Mad Max world, life really isn't that bad even with them in control.
Isn't bad for you and I, as American citizens.
Quote:
Ask the people of pretty much every place else in the world besides the EU and the "five eyes". We've built a pretty big backlog of blowback and bad karma around the world, and I know they're all about the "multipolar world" but "they" might not be too picky about how they take us down, if they get the chance. Bc we weren't too picky about how we dealt with them.
I know this, and that's my point. I feel bad for them, but there's nothing I can do about it. And I'm not going to go around virtue signalling and pretending that I'm some hero by doing dumb shit like posting "AMERICA SUPPORTS UKRAINE" and putting a bumper sticker on my car to "raise awareness".
Is America going to be retaliated against in my lifetime for things it has done? Possibly. I guess I'll cross that bridge when we come to it.
Quote:Our system for us. Their system for them. As long as we don't prey on them, kill them wantonly, try and control them etc. I'm sure they'd be happier if we followed that policy.
We're free enough to do most things we'd want to do.
It's kind of why I've been tuning out of the news as much as possible. I'm a lot happier when I'm not paying attention to it. It's designed to put you in a bad mood and make you fight with other people.
I'm sure they would.
What am I supposed to do about it?
We finally voted in a guy who was trying to de-tangle the US from all the two-way foreign entanglements and the entire Media Apparatus and the Uniparty came at him every day for over 6 years now.
I'm done losing sleep over things that I have zero influence over and that don't ruin my life. I'm 44 years old in the summer and most of the men in both sides of my family were dead by their mid 50s.
And besides, if we're not the ones doing it, somebody else will gladly fill that void.
--------------------------------------------------
Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:6ix, the Russians had a plan. The Soviet Project was arguably the largest, deepest, most far-reaching experiment in social engineering that has ever been performed on mankind. In some sense, we are still grappling with the sheer scope of the experiment and the sheer magnitude of the failure, of the catastrophe. It was not just an attempt to remake a government. It was not an attempt to remake a society. It was an attempt to remake human beings. It was an attempt to make a new kind of human being. 6ix, the Russians still have that ambition to make a new kind of human being, despite the Soviet Project failing.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
And besides, if we're not the ones doing it, somebody else will gladly fill that void.
6ix, the Operative from a movie you might have seen, said this:
"This is a good death. There's no shame in this, in a man's death. A man who's done fine works. We're making a better world. All of them, better worlds." The Russians, on their way to their version of a better world, killed 65 million because of political differences. That does not count Germans killed by Russians or Russians killed by Germans. That is only Russians killing Russians and Ukrainians over political disagreements.
Mal opposed this: "A year from now, ten, they'll swing back to the belief that they can make people... better. And I do not hold to that. So no more running. I aim to misbehave."
Over in China, the making of a better world meant killing tens of millions of Chinese who disagreed. It was the same dynamic as in Russia: kill your political opponents.
6ix, a multi-polar world where Russia and China are two of the poles is a better world only if killing off all who disagree with Russia and China is identical to better.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Oh, there isn't much you or I can do, SIX. The neocons and globalist neolibs are firmly in control of every aspect of America: military, trade, financial and economic policy; the media and communication; the so-called justice system, Congress...
I think Trump instinctively understood this from an American perspective. He wanted to pursue AMERICAN interests, not sacrifice them in the pursuit of being "global" anything. Just making America a great and proud nation among other nations.
And that is what the globalists couldn't abide, and is THE dividing line between two hidden, and contending, centers of power.
Look at Europe: Ultimately European globalists (the Davos crowd, and those we aren't allowed to know about, like the BIS bankers) really don't care about things like gay rights or green energy (Germany has reverted to coal-fired power plants, again. Because Russia!) or immigration (they will tolerate Italy's Meloni on anti-immigration as long as she toes the NATO hard line).
They don't even care about "national sovereignty" tho they bray about Ukraine's constantly: they tolerated Germany's national sovereignty being violated (pipeline terror attacks) just as they violated Greece's national sovereignty in 2008. In fact, the last thing they want is actual national sovereignty. But they'll use it as an excuse on their path towards total control.
You know this. Most people don't.
What will change the world... Is already changing the world... is a consortium of other nations. The globalists locked themselves out of Russia, China, Iran, and Venezuela with sanctions. The globalists elites' diminishing prospects will cause disunity and infighting. I already see fractures between the USA and the EU (USA and EU sacrificing Germany on the altar), the pro-Central Bankers like Soros and SNB, ECB etc v the private/commercial bankers like Credit Suisse and UBS and JPMChase). When the resources start diminishing, the sharks start eating each other.
AFA whether "someone" will take over in the future, only time will tell. Right now, leaders of non-western nations can't afford to be total morons, like our current fearless leaders and their sycophants like SECOND and THUGR. And the USA achieved near-hegemony by historical accident, beings the only industrial nation not destroyed in WWII. I don't see that circumstance, or the environment that favored other exploitative empires, re-forming anytime soon.
Just as an aside, DeSantis is a coward before the globalist Borg. Hes no Donald Trump.
-----------
"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If what Russia and China are offering other nations is real, I can see how it would be attractive to non-western nations.
Imagine being able to trade, nation to nation, without constant meddling in your internal affairs, politics, alliances, culture, etc. Or constantly being threatened with sanctions or regime change, or having seppuku demanded of you by the west in their never-ending quest for complete global control.
I know the Glaziyev is working on a common non-dollar trade currency. IMHO that won't happen until the various nations have had a decade or so of trading in their national currencies over non- SWIFT lines. But once a common currency happens, the AIIB bank will come into its own and displace the IMF.
Again sig posts and reveals she has no respect for the rule of law and the common good. She only considers it a nuisance.
T
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, there isn't much you or I can do, SIX. The neocons and globalist neolibs are firmly in control of every aspect of America: military, trade, financial and economic policy; the media and communication; the so-called justice system, Congress...
I think Trump instinctively understood this from an American perspective.
No, Trump understood it from a criminal perspective. The first of four indictments will be coming next week. Not sure when the rest will land on his head but they're coming.
tick tock dummy
T
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Placeholder no longer!
The Trump rape case jurors will go to court in secret so Trump can't harass them
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-trump-rape-case-jurors-wil
l-go-to-court-in-secret-so-trump-can-t-harass-them/ar-AA18ZUW9?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=829f4fdc7dfe4c0999754fc92c628da7&ei=244
Sorry, forgot this one dummy
T
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
The indictments are a farce, you goon.
January 6th... Nothing.
Tax Returns... Nothing.
Phone call with Child Rapist Zelensky... Nothing.
2 Impeachments... Nothing.
Now Democrats are desperately grasping at straws, trumping up some minor charges that most likely will go nowhere and useless morons like you and Second can't even define.
Watch what happens.
--------------------------------------------------
Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:The US was "the only industrial nation not destroyed in WWII" because it was the only nation being run competently. If the US had been run by President Herbert Hoover or his likely successors, the US would not have been ready for WWII. And if Hoover was forced into war, the US would have lost.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And the USA achieved near-hegeminy by being the only industrial nation not destroyed in WWII. I don't see that circumstance, it the environment that favored other exploitative empires, re-forming anytime soon.
Incompetent Hoover would have led to the US being destroyed, perhaps by Germany's A-bombs. A Manhattan Project would have never been approved by Hoover. Hoover was too small-minded and Republicans too unimaginative when faced with problems beyond their routines. See Hoover's response to the Great Depression if you wrongly think he was competent to handle WWII.
Incompetent Stalin came very close to destroying Russia, but he was saved by Hitler's even greater incompetence at understanding his generals' strategy. Instead of listening to good advice, Hitler was a total believer in the fantasy that the German fighting spirit could overcome any shortfalls in ammo, rations, winter clothing, and the number of armored vehicles Germany used to attack Russia. The German Army had ten times more army horses than army trucks when it invaded Russia, guaranteeing its slow-motion defeat, rather than a swift victory against unprepared Stalin.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:The US was "the only industrial nation not destroyed in WWII" because it was the only nation being run competently.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And the USA achieved near-hegeminy by being the only industrial nation not destroyed in WWII. I don't see that circumstance, it the environment that favored other exploitative empires, re-forming anytime soon.
The USA was the only industrial nation not to be destroyed in WWII bc of geographic accident: it's called two big oceans on either side. The oceans made it impossible for the Axis powers to fight their war on our soil. It was distance and logistics that protected us, not competence.
Don't you know ANYTHING???
-----------
"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If what Russia and China are offering other nations is real, I can see how it would be attractive to non-western nations.
Imagine being able to trade, nation to nation, without constant meddling in your internal affairs, politics, alliances, culture, etc. Or constantly being threatened with sanctions or regime change, or having seppuku demanded of you by the west in their never-ending quest for complete global control.
I know the Glaziyev is working on a common non-dollar trade currency. IMHO that won't happen until the various nations have had a decade or so of trading in their national currencies over non- SWIFT lines. But once a common currency happens, the AIIB bank will come into its own and displace the IMF.
THUGR: Again sig posts and reveals she has no respect for the rule of law and the common good. She only considers it a nuisance.
You poor child. Don't you know that our elites break criminal, civil, national and international law WHENEVER IT SUITS THEM?
That's what other nations are reacting to.
Seriously, dood, how FUCKING deluded ARE you?
-----------
"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:I guess you never looked around with real understanding at the present-day industrial powers in the world and realized that these were all built in only a few decades. It wasn't geography. It was the people. Lazy, stupid, and ignorant people, which the American South had in abundance while FDR was president, built nothing, had nothing, and were worth nothing. If one of those morons from the South had been President of the United States, Germany would have come along with its A-bombs in 1946 and nuked New York City and Washington DC, conquering America in a week, because the moron President decided to NOT get involved in a battle between Great Britain and Germany, which was none of America's business.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The USA was the only industrial nation not to be destroyed in WWII bc of geographic accident: it's called two big oceans on either side. The oceans made it impossible for the Axis powers to fight their war on our soil. It was distance and logistics that protected us, not competence.
Don't you know ANYTHING???
And, by the way, Hitler was a fool to turn against Russia, especially when Germany was only slightly ready. German generals told Hitler they needed more time, but Hitler religiously believed that the German Fighting Spirit could overcome all obstacles, including lack of winter clothing. Building A-bombs was certainly within Germany's capabilities, but impossible when the man who would have made it happen was a stupid man such as Hitler, convinced he knows best, not someone like FDR, who would listen to good advice about building A-bombs from Albert Einstein, who ran away from Hitler. Funny how many Europeans worked on the A-bomb and would later receive Nobel Prizes in physics. Hitler killed or deported all the European Jews he could find, weakening Germany.
Signym, I come across numerous Americans, mostly Trump voters, who think they made America Great. Those people are completely delusional about the contribution and importance of what little they did. The greatness happened in spite of them because they are close to zeroes.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
SECOND, apparently you overlooked some of America's major advantages pre- and during WWII, one of which was easy oil, and another was continent-sized resources (coal, iron,copper etc)
Germany lacked oil and other critical resources, Japan lacked... well, everything.
Engaging in alternate history, as you do, doesn't change it.
-----------
"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:Does that mean Japan is NOT an industrial power, because "Japan lacked... well, everything"? Meanwhile, Venezuela has all resources Japan lacks, but Venezuela is not an industrial power. It is impoverished. The difference is that the Japanese are very unlike Venezuelans. The people make the difference, not what minerals are in the ground.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, apparently you overlooked some of America's major advantages pre- and during WWII, one of which was easy oil, and another was continent-sized resources (coal, iron,copper etc)
Germany lacked oil and other critical resources, Japan lacked... well, everything.
Engaging in alternate history, as you do, doesn't change it.
Country comparison Japan vs Venezuela
https://countryeconomy.com/countries/compare/japan/venezuela
GDP per capita $39,246 Japan / $3,423 Venezuela
The way the Venezuelan government sees it is that the US is holding them down. Funny that Japan doesn't see that the US is holding down Japan. I wonder what is going on in Venezuela? I know! Venezuela is Russia's most important trading and military ally in Latin America. Thinking like Russians is what is killing Venezuelans' prosperity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Venezuela_relations
If it was all about minerals, the poorest country in Europe would be Switzerland, known only for its goat cheese. But the last time I was there, they were more prosperous than anywhere else I have been. Check out Switzerland compared to the world:
GDP (nominal) per Capita
https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-per-capita/
Switzerland wasn't always rich, despite always being in the exact same spot. The Swiss know as a hard fact that their prosperity depends on their people, not on real estate and minerals buried underground. Americans should learn that, but I don't think they will.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
If Japan were to be embargoed against any significant resource it would collapse like a house of cards. It has a tremendous industry but no natural resources. It can offer the world one thing: skilled, efficient labor. But it depends on raw material imports (oil, gas, steel, chemicals etc) so that it can export finished products to the world. Did you knowthat the USA embargoed significant raw resources destined for Japan pre-WWII, and that was one of the causes of Japan going to war?
Quote:
The Embargoes That Blocked Japanese Expansion and Led to War
...
But Japan’s breathtaking rise had two important consequences, one emotional and the other practical. Japanese leaders resented Western nations’ patronizing of the “clever” Japanese. More importantly, the rapid industrialization revealed a crucial weakness affecting national growth and security: Japan was a heavily populated country barely capable of feeding itself and bereft of natural resources vital for industry. Maintaining the status quo of importing from the West the raw materials and commodities it needed would lock Japan into a dependent role with the United States and other Western nations rich in foodstuffs and natural resources. To ultranationalists who had risen to power in the 1930s such a position of inferiority was intolerable. In addition to military parity, they sought to replace Western presence in the Pacific Rim with the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere, a vaguely defined economic military defense bloc dominated by Japan.
... America, first under President Herbert Hoover and then Franklin D. Roosevelt initially responded [to Japan's occupation of northern China] with diplomatic protests. When they failed to curb Japanese aggression, Roosevelt upped the ante. In 1938, the State Department advised banks at home and abroad not to extend credit to Japanese businesses. In 1939, the United States terminated the 1911 commercial treaty between the United States and Japan. This led to an American embargo initially of airplanes, parts, machine tools, and aviation gasoline. The embargo was expanded in 1940 to include oil, iron and steel scrap, and other commodities. Sharing America’s concerns, Great Britain and the Netherlands joined in the economic embargo.
Japanese leaders had already done the math, and the numbers were ugly. If the situation remained unchanged, Japan faced economic ruin within two years.
https://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stories/the-embargoes-that-blocked
-japanese-expansion-and-led-to-war/
Japan's essential weakness remains unchanged. In order to maintain its position as an industrial society with a hgh standard of living, it depends on foreign raw resources and foreign markets. It needs to be integrated in a larger economic system in order t survive.
Shit. SECOND, you pretend to be so smart but you don't even have grade-schooler's knowledge of world geograph.
-----------
"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If Japan were to be embargoed against any significant resource it would collapse like a house of cards. It has a tremendous industry but no natural resources. It can offer the world one thing: skilled, efficient labor. But it depends on raw material imports (oil, gas, steel, chemicals etc) so that it can export finished products to the world. Did you knowthat the USA embargoed significant raw resources destined for Japan pre-WWII, and that was one of the causes of Japan going to war?Quote:
The Embargoes That Blocked Japanese Expansion and Led to War
...
But Japan’s breathtaking rise had two important consequences, one emotional and the other practical. Japanese leaders resented Western nations’ patronizing of the “clever” Japanese. More importantly, the rapid industrialization revealed a crucial weakness affecting national growth and security: Japan was a heavily populated country barely capable of feeding itself and bereft of natural resources vital for industry. Maintaining the status quo of importing from the West the raw materials and commodities it needed would lock Japan into a dependent role with the United States and other Western nations rich in foodstuffs and natural resources. To ultranationalists who had risen to power in the 1930s such a position of inferiority was intolerable. In addition to military parity, they sought to replace Western presence in the Pacific Rim with the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere, a vaguely defined economic military defense bloc dominated by Japan.
... America, first under President Herbert Hoover and then Franklin D. Roosevelt initially responded [to Japan's occupation of northern China] with diplomatic protests. When they failed to curb Japanese aggression, Roosevelt upped the ante. In 1938, the State Department advised banks at home and abroad not to extend credit to Japanese businesses. In 1939, the United States terminated the 1911 commercial treaty between the United States and Japan. This led to an American embargo initially of airplanes, parts, machine tools, and aviation gasoline. The embargo was expanded in 1940 to include oil, iron and steel scrap, and other commodities. Sharing America’s concerns, Great Britain and the Netherlands joined in the economic embargo.
Japanese leaders had already done the math, and the numbers were ugly. If the situation remained unchanged, Japan faced economic ruin within two years.
https://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stories/the-embargoes-that-blocked
-japanese-expansion-and-led-to-war/
Japan's essential weakness remains unchanged. In order to maintain its position as an industrial society with a hgh standard of living, it depends on foreign raw resources and foreign markets. It needs to be integrated in a larger economic system in order t survive.
Shit. SECOND, you pretend to be so smart but you don't even have grade-schooler's knowledge of world geography.
T
Why Japan's Military is Gladly Getting Ready for War
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Japan has invaded China many times. Not only that, it's stuck to western markets, so it's not like it has much choice.
-----------
"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:Does that mean Japan is NOT an industrial power, because "Japan lacked... well, everything"? Meanwhile, Venezuela has all resources Japan lacks, but Venezuela is not an industrial power. It is impoverished. The difference is that the Japanese are very unlike Venezuelans. The people make the difference, not what minerals are in the ground.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, apparently you overlooked some of America's major advantages pre- and during WWII, one of which was easy oil, and another was continent-sized resources (coal, iron,copper etc)
Germany lacked oil and other critical resources, Japan lacked... well, everything.
Engaging in alternate history, as you do, doesn't change it.
Country comparison Japan vs Venezuela
https://countryeconomy.com/countries/compare/japan/venezuela
GDP per capita $39,246 Japan / $3,423 Venezuela
The way the Venezuelan government sees it is that the US is holding them down. Funny that Japan doesn't see that the US is holding down Japan. I wonder what is going on in Venezuela? I know! Venezuela is Russia's most important trading and military ally in Latin America. Thinking like Russians is what is killing Venezuelans' prosperity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Venezuela_relations
If it was all about minerals, the poorest country in Europe would be Switzerland, known only for its goat cheese. But the last time I was there, they were more prosperous than anywhere else I have been. Check out Switzerland compared to the world:
GDP (nominal) per Capita
https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-per-capita/
Switzerland wasn't always rich, despite always being in the exact same spot. The Swiss know as a hard fact that their prosperity depends on their people, not on real estate and minerals buried underground. Americans should learn that, but I don't think they will.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
This entire post is hilarious considering it comes from a Communist.
--------------------------------------------------
Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:Signym, you didn't pay any attention to Switzerland. Instead, Japan got all your words. Switzerland is another very rich industrial country that depends on imports to keep its industries running but won't be joining the Russia/China multipolar world. Does that mean that Switzerland would be better if it returned to the days of Heidi, if you are familiar with that Shirley Temple movie? Heidi (1937 film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heidi
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If Japan were to be embargoed against any significant resource it would collapse like a house of cards. It has a tremendous industry but no natural resources. It can offer the world one thing: skilled, efficient labor. But it depends on raw material imports (oil, gas, steel, chemicals etc) so that it can export finished products to the world. Did you knowthat the USA embargoed significant raw resources destined for Japan pre-WWII, and that was one of the causes of Japan going to war?Quote:
The Embargoes That Blocked Japanese Expansion and Led to War
...
But Japan’s breathtaking rise had two important consequences, one emotional and the other practical. Japanese leaders resented Western nations’ patronizing of the “clever” Japanese. More importantly, the rapid industrialization revealed a crucial weakness affecting national growth and security: Japan was a heavily populated country barely capable of feeding itself and bereft of natural resources vital for industry. Maintaining the status quo of importing from the West the raw materials and commodities it needed would lock Japan into a dependent role with the United States and other Western nations rich in foodstuffs and natural resources. To ultranationalists who had risen to power in the 1930s such a position of inferiority was intolerable. In addition to military parity, they sought to replace Western presence in the Pacific Rim with the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere, a vaguely defined economic military defense bloc dominated by Japan.
... America, first under President Herbert Hoover and then Franklin D. Roosevelt initially responded [to Japan's occupation of northern China] with diplomatic protests. When they failed to curb Japanese aggression, Roosevelt upped the ante. In 1938, the State Department advised banks at home and abroad not to extend credit to Japanese businesses. In 1939, the United States terminated the 1911 commercial treaty between the United States and Japan. This led to an American embargo initially of airplanes, parts, machine tools, and aviation gasoline. The embargo was expanded in 1940 to include oil, iron and steel scrap, and other commodities. Sharing America’s concerns, Great Britain and the Netherlands joined in the economic embargo.
Japanese leaders had already done the math, and the numbers were ugly. If the situation remained unchanged, Japan faced economic ruin within two years.
https://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stories/the-embargoes-that-blocked
-japanese-expansion-and-led-to-war/
Japan's essential weakness remains unchanged. In order to maintain its position as an industrial society with a hgh standard of living, it depends on foreign raw resources and foreign markets. It needs to be integrated in a larger economic system in order t survive.
Shit. SECOND, you pretend to be so smart but you don't even have grade-schooler's knowledge of world geograph.
Heidi days were a Switzerland where the biggest businesses were wooden clocks and goat cheese. The Swiss have come a long way in the years between the book Heidi, the movie Heidi (1937) and 2023.
The Japanese have also evolved in the 78 years between WWII and 2023. Both countries are better because they nowadays do extensive trade with the rest of the world for food and fuel. Neither will be joining the Russia/China multipolar world where disagreements end, in the case of Russia, with 65 million politically motivated
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Switzerland is fine because it keeps all the rich people's money worldwide off the books, illegally, but the people in control like it that way.
But they've let in all the Muslims that rape their little girls, so let's put a pin in that and talk about how good Switzerland is doing 20 years from now, mkay?
--------------------------------------------------
Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Writing for Responsible Statecraft, Turse said since 2008, US-trained soldiers in Africa have "attempted at least nine coups (and succeeded in at least eight) across five West African countries, including Burkina Faso (three times), Guinea, Mali (three times), Mauritania, and the Gambia."
https://news.antiwar.com/2023/03/23/africom-says-african-coup-leaders-
share-core-values-with-us-military/
It's shit like this that gives America a bad name and conjures up blowback.
-----------
"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Writing for Responsible Statecraft, Turse said since 2008, US-trained soldiers in Africa have "attempted at least nine coups (and succeeded in at least eight) across five West African countries, including Burkina Faso (three times), Guinea, Mali (three times), Mauritania, and the Gambia."
https://news.antiwar.com/2023/03/23/africom-says-african-coup-leaders-
share-core-values-with-us-military/
It's shit like this that gives America a bad name and conjures up blowback.
Your source is little more than Russian propaganda. Do you know how I can tell? While it talks about Russia missing weapon sale deadlines, it says nothing about what Russia is doing in and too Ukraine.
You cannot be an Anti-War publication and not be covering that. Sorry comrade...
T
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Republic TV the Hindu Indian first English-language news
,
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:What are we doing in northeast Syria, besides stealing Syrian oil and grain?? ...
Friday, March 24, 2023
I Don't Know What's The Deal.
But there is very little doubt that the US illegitimately occupies part of Syria's territory and conducts a favorite business of training terrorists.
Quote:
BEIRUT (AP) — A strike Thursday by a suspected Iranian-made drone killed a U.S. contractor and wounded six other Americans in northeast Syria,
Quote:
Quote:
and U.S. forces retaliated with airstrikes on sites in Syria used by groups affiliated with Iran’s Revolutionary Guard, the Pentagon said. Activists said the U.S. bombing killed at least four people. While it’s not the first time the U.S. and Iran have traded strikes in Syria, the attack and the U.S. response threaten to upend recent efforts to deescalate tensions across the wider Middle East, whose rival powers have made steps toward détente in recent days after years of turmoil. U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said in a statement that the American intelligence community had determined the drone was of Iranian origin, but offered no other immediate evidence to support the claim. The drone hit a coalition base in the northeast Syrian city of Hasaka. The wounded included five American service members and a U.S. contractor.
I don't know who sent the "message", but this event is a great testament to a military fallacy of the American bases around the world, because not only they will continue to lose the "power projection" value but will continue to increase their value as fat and mostly indefensible targets against modern battlefield delivery systems. Nobody in their own mind would believe that US air defense systems such as Patriot PAC3 can handle a serious salvo of even relatively unsophisticated subsonic means of delivery.
Meanwhile, in 404 [Ukraine]
Quote:
Meanwhile butt-hurt BSer Sebastien Roblin "reports" based on propaganda doctored "data" from 404 that Russia... finally ran out of tanks and reactivated T-54/55 ones.
Quote:
Russia is dusting off the cobwebs from military deep storage facilities in the country’s Far East, for the first time railing un-upgraded Cold War T-54B tanks westward, possibly bound for Ukraine. Now, a video of the T-54s transported by rail has surfaced.
What uneducated hack Roblin doesn't know, because with degree in "conflict resolution" and "social and global studies" you can not know anything of value, is that Russia was using older T-54/55 since War in Chechnya not for tank operations but as a very helpful artillery units for... drum roll... block posts, thus increasing their combat stability and as a good caliber response in case of attacks on numerous block posts. Generally Western pseudo-academic fields in "strategic studies", "conflict resolution" or "foreign relations" produce unemployable office plankton with minimal skills even for 7/11 janitor, but when you are also getting paid by Ukies, what kind of "reporting" one provides becomes abundantly clear. In general, SMO exposed all, without exception, US MSM and popular "alternative" media as uneducated hacks and unprofessional losers, including a large portion of the US "military experts" with hefty C.V.s in "fighting" in Iraq and Afghanistan, but with minimal expertise in modern wars and combined arms operations of scale.
MORE AT https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2023/03/i-dont-know-whats-deal.html
-----------
"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
‘A seat in a powerful bloc’: Malaysian PM Anwar could use BRICS as platform to expand ASEAN’s reach, say economists
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/malaysia-anwar-ibrahim-brics-geop
olitics-asean-southeast-asia-4545721
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
I was re-reading the shit that THUGR and SECOND posted here.
One is a liar, and the other is stupid.
*****
What (not) to expect from the upcoming BRICS meeting. I found a well-researched article on BRICS with many links to previously well-researched articles by Korybko
Quote:
Russia & China’s US-Provoked Payment Problems Caught Most BRICS Enthusiasts By Surprise
https://korybko.substack.com/p/russia-and-chinas-us-provoked-payment
which balances out Escobar's enthusiasm for the BRICS project.
Apparently, American sanctions on Russian banks are getting in the way of trade payments, with China more scared than India of secondary sanctions I.e. some (or all) banks being kicked out of SWIFT.
Now, personally, if I were the leader of a nation that pretended to sovereignty , it would piss me off that America feels that it can tell me who I can, and can't, bank with. But many nations that are tied in to the dollar- China and Brazil specifically - are intimidated by our bullying. Until they find their spine that will continue.
I believe there are two possible goals, but one is out of reach for this meeting.
The first, which SHOULD be a no-brainer. That is the establishment of a common, non-SWIFT mechanism of international interbank transfers. If those transfers are outside of SWIFT, the USA can't track what's going on, and sanctions enforcement is negated. But given China's economic mismanagement in tying its development to the West, and its commitment to being a permanently exporting economy, I don't expect much foresight, courage, or even common sense from Chinese leadership.
The second goal, which I believe is far out of reach, is Glaziyevs idea of creating a "notional" common currency to allow price settlement outside of bilateral currency swaps. The concept is that everyone's currency would be expressed in value relative to a this common basket of currencies. However, since China is by far the biggest trading partner and would represent the biggest contributor to the basket, India would have serious heartburn about that. That is the stumbling block to a common currency. Unless they find another source of pooled value ... commodities? ... to price specific currencies.
It'll be interesting.
-----------
"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
Why SECOND'S posts are brainless: "I clocked how much time: no more than 10 minutes per day. With cut-and-paste (Ctrl C and Ctrl V) and AI, none of this takes much time."
Or, any verification or thought.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
After Brazil, Chile to expand defence industry partnership with India
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/after-brazil-chile-t
o-expand-defence-industry-partnership-with-india/articleshow/113096998.cms
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Democracy declined for 8th straight year around the globe, institute finds
https://apnews.com/article/democracy-voters-turnout-elections-interfer
ence-disinformation-ai-b792e49cf037624a5e88dc82cac4c899
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME