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Meanwhile, Russia is going to "pay"!

POSTED BY: SIGNYM
UPDATED: Saturday, June 27, 2026 04:00
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Monday, March 24, 2014 7:42 AM

Just a tidbit about who will hurt more in a 'sanctions' war:

"On the one hand, Russia's vast hydrocarbon reserves ensured its position as an energy powerhouse, transforming the erstwhile post-Communist basket case into the proud 'Gazprom Nation', providing about 20 percent of the EU's gas needs, which, significantly, are delivered through three pipelines crossing the Ukraine."



OONJERAH
We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

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Friday, March 28, 2014 10:54 PM

The Right Sector, which was part of the armed, trained phalanx of Maidan, is having problems with the bankers' government of Kiev. And the Kiev government is having problems with them:

Right Sector enforcer Aleksandr Muzychko - as seen in videos waving his gun around and bullying various elected officials

http://rt.com/news/ukraine-radical-attacks-prosecutor-080/
http://rt.com/news/radical-opposition-intimidating-techniques-882/

- was shot and killed in a police raid intended to arrest him.
http://www.ibtimes.com/who-was-oleksandr-muzychko-ukrainian-police-kil
l-far-right-leader-wanted-russians-1563515


Now the rightwing, who see themselves as the true heroes of Maidan and leaders of the gloriously-revived fascist Europe, are protesting (and threatening) the Ukrainian Parliament.
http://rt.com/news/kiev-parliament-protest-resurge-873/

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Several thoughts on the topic:

All areas of Ukraine are forming "civil defense" squads. Some of them are made up by the Right Sector who have no problem moving into a new area and imposing their brand of politics. Others are fairly homegrown. The government of Kiev itself is creating a "national guard". I wouldn't be surprised if contested areas have conflicting "civil defense" groups.

Here's the thing: What happened to the army of the Ukraine? I can understand the Ukrainian army being deactivated in Crimea, but why does the government in Kiev feel the need to create and entirely new entity- a national guard- unless they feel that they can't depend on the army?

This seems to me that civil war is a possibility, especially since the government just raised the price of nat gas by 50%, and was set to reduce pensions by 50%.

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Saturday, April 5, 2014 11:35 PM

BY now I hope you all realize that it's not Russia who is going to pay most for breaking apart the Ukraine, it's going to be the Ukrainians and the west:

Moody's downgrades Ukraine credit rating, again.

Quote:

Moody's announced on its website on Friday that it would downgrade Ukraine's sovereign rating by one notch, pushing up the cost of borrowing money for the country's government.

The New-York based assessor lowered Ukraine from Caa2 to Caa3, following a previous downgrade in January. The Caa rating is a credit risk grading based on speculative investment risks. The current downgrade takes Ukraine from Moody's "extremely speculative" rating to "default imminent with little prospect for recovery."


http://www.dw.de/moodys-downgrades-ukraine-credit-rating-again/a-17545
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Sunday, April 13, 2014 9:47 PM

One Killed, Many Wounded After Shooting Breaks Out Between Ukraine Special Forces And Pro-Russia Separatists
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-13/one-killed-many-wounded-after
-shooting-breaks-out-between-ukraine-special-forces-and


The solution, of course, is Federalization: give each region a tax base and autonomy in terms of language and civil security. But Kiev is still trying to incite western involvement. If Putin is smart, he won't take the bait- he'll just make the Ukraine a festering economic and civil sore on the EU's backside.

Kiev will probably continue its countermeasures- still trying to provoke a Russian response and western military involvement. I have no idea how far they will go in eastern/southern Ukraine. Mass arrests? Martial law? Military measures against demonstrators? The west has NATO exercises planned for the Ukraine for next month (?). Hopefully the Russian will see this as turnabout/ fair play.

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Monday, March 21, 2022 2:09 AM

State Dept. to allow Russian financial safe havens to revive the Iran Nuclear Deal

https://rumble.com/vxlizw-state-dept.-to-allow-russian-financial-safe-
havens-to-revive-the-iran-nucle.html

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Monday, March 21, 2022 2:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
One Killed, Many Wounded After Shooting Breaks Out Between Ukraine Special Forces And Pro-Russia Separatists
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-13/one-killed-many-wounded-after
-shooting-breaks-out-between-ukraine-special-forces-and


The solution, of course, is Federalization: give each region a tax base and autonomy in terms of language and civil security. But Kiev is still trying to incite western involvement. If Putin is smart, he won't take the bait- he'll just make the Ukraine a festering economic and civil sore on the EU's backside.

Kiev will probably continue its countermeasures- still trying to provoke a Russian response and western military involvement. I have no idea how far they will go in eastern/southern Ukraine. Mass arrests? Martial law? Military measures against demonstrators? The west has NATO exercises planned for the Ukraine for next month (?). Hopefully the Russian will see this as turnabout/ fair play.

Still true today.

Zelenskiy has banned all opposition parties.

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Monday, March 21, 2022 3:00 AM

Zelensky is Trudeau Jr.

At least Trudeau owns a suit.

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Me: "Remember Covid?"

Useless Idiots: "What's Covid, durr? Russia, Ukraine, Putin, NATO *drool*. DURRRR!!!!"

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THG
Saturday, October 8, 2022 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

You can't trust Putin?

OF COURSE you can trust Putin! You can trust him to look after Russia's interests. Far better than our last trio of Presidents looked after America's, anyway!






Big grin back at ya comrade.




Moscow says parts of a vital road and rail bridge linking Russia to Crimea have been partially destroyed in a truck explosion in a blow to the Kremlin’s war efforts in Ukraine.
The Kerch bridge is a key supply line for the Russian troops fighting in eastern Ukraine.






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Tuesday, September 10, 2024 3:16 PM

Putin humiliated as Ukraine's army chief makes four-word admission over Kursk invasion

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1945041/ukraine-kursk-invasion-ru
ssia-vladimir-putin

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Tuesday, September 10, 2024 5:16 PM

Quote:

Ukraine's military boss said the incursion by Kyiv's army into Russian territory has impacted Russia's attempts to capture the strategically important city of Pokrovsk.

One of the goals of the Kursk offensive has been to try and slow down Russia's advance on Pokrovsk, by forcing the Kremlin to redeploy troops from its eastern front.

The city is a major transport and logistics hub for Kyiv's army in the Donetsk region.

Recent reports suggest that Putin's army is within 3 miles of the city, as it seeks to make a major breakthrough in the war.

Some military analysts fear its capture could lead to the collapse of Ukraine's entire eastern front.

Vladimir Putin told an audience at an economic forum in Vladivostok on Thursday that his main goal was to capture the entire Donbas region.
He claimed the Kursk incursion had weakened Ukraine's army in the east by diverting experienced troops away from the Donetsk front, which had helped Russia's army to make faster gains in the Donbas.

However, General Syrskyi dismissed Putin's claims in an interview with CNN on Thursday.

Issuing a four-word verdict on the Russian President's remarks, he said:"Our strategy is working." He continued: "Over the last six days the enemy hasn’t advanced a single metre in the Pokrovsk direction.



JAYNZE, why don't you go to credible mappers like Kalibrated with Scott.
https://m.youtube.com/@Kalibratedwithscott/streams

He starts with DeepState map (which, as I posted, is pro Ukraine) and goes from there.

#91 addresses this claim. Scott posts much of the interview, including the parts that YOUR ARTICLE failed to address, and comments on it. He starts mapping at around 15:00. According to the map, Ukraine has lost about 100 sq km in the 72 hours previous to this video, which is more by now.

Bc rather than Russia pulling troops from the Pokrovsk front, Kiev pulled troops from other areas of the front to reinforce Pokrovsk defense. Thus led to weakness south of Pokrovsk, in the Ugladar area, where Russia is now advancing rapidly.

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Why SECOND'S posts are brainless: "I clocked how much time: no more than 10 minutes per day. With cut-and-paste (Ctrl C and Ctrl V) and AI, none of this takes much time."
Or, any verification or thought.

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