End of the world Peter Zeihan

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

So, moving past the point about Zeihan being an idiot and whether he's right in the specifics, I also think OUR world as WE (USA, UK, EU) know it will end. There will still be global trade ... China will want to trade with Africa, South America, Russia etc, and Russia probably wouldn't notice if the west ("us", "we") dropped off the face of the globe bc they're an autarky.

But "they" will probably stop dealing with us bc, frankly, we aren't agreement capable and our dollar will be worth a lot less. And until we stop trying to be Masters of the Universe we'll be in semi- quarantine.

Which in the end will be a good thing bc we'll have to learn to "do for ourselves" again instead of expecting everybody else to "do" for us. Transition is going to be mighty rocky, tho.

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Here you go comrade. And yes, we face challenges. The world's global supply chains are going to go through many changes, but we are in the best possible position to deal with that. Much is already being done to address this. So, if you truly do live in this wonderful country, stop whining.

T

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Sounds like NYT and I agree

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Here's what I think China is doing wrong:

Instead of working on developing independently, the Chinese government took the easy and quick way out. They duplicated the Japan model of development: count on foreign investment and foreign markets and export your labor. Walmart suppliers, Apple, Nike, CocaCola, and a whole host of formerly western- based industries relocated right quick. For a while, whole factories were being dismantled and shipped to China! But while it gave quick results, it distorted Chinese production and geared it to western markets. China is STILL taking the easy way out. Why else do you think they were doing Covid research in Wuhan?

And if the foreign markets dry up, as they did in 2008 and are doing again now, yiur economy will nosedive as well.

China still believes, apparently, that having a grossly and endlessly positive trade balance is a good thing. It's not. If having an endlessly negative trade balance is endlessly borrowing money, then having an endless positive trade balance is endlessly lending money. It's all well and good to be sitting on piles of dollars and euros, as long as the dollars and euros retain their value. But it makes them hostage to American and European fiscal policy and affects China's foreign policy. Why else do you think they keep whinging about win- win, and peace and prosperity?

China has made a clusterfuck of its lending policies, and blew up debt loads beyond all reason, only to have that money plunked into speculation.

China also has made a clusterfuck of its revenue sharing. The central government collects taxes. It does not share revenue and provincial governments can't collect taxes. So they float bonds. Lots and lots of bonds! For lots and lots of pointless infrastructure! Because like any good bureaucracy, they want to see their budgets grow!

And like revenue sharing, China has made a clusterfuck of social benefits, which are based on provincial registration and not national. It ties people to their province.

China's emphasis on The Next Big Thing. They jump in with both feet, withiut being able to develop, test, and modify if necessary.

And finally, China's social policy. With its emphasis on standard of living, it leaves China with nothing to fall back on in adversity.

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I would like to add, demonstrating China's piggybacking on USA research, that Russia would NEVER allow USA bioweapon lab research on its own soil (i.e. Covid). And look where it got THEM. And, ultimately, everyone.

China's development is at a "running scared" pace. I've read they are trying to avoid another Tiananmen Square. They're doing everything at breakneck speed, but -like a lot of their showcase projects - not very well. They need to slow down and make sure their development is done well and makes sense from a demand standpoint.

I still think that Xi wants to break from co-deoendence with the west. But China's trade with Africa, which currently stands at $250-300b, would need to triple to rival it's trade with the USA at $1T, and at its previous rate of increase that would take 49 years.
https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/27880.jpeg
https://www.statista.com/chart/27880/trade-between-china-and-africa/

China's trade with Russia, while important, only totals about $100b, between exports and imports

https://www.gzeromedia.com/the-graphic-truth-china-russia-trade-ties

That would have to multiply by a factor of 10 to rival its trade with the USA.

So even tho China is casting about - desperately, some might say- for non western trade partners, it would take at least 15 more years to rearrange its production and trade.
Xi, given his age, doesn't have that much time! And unlike Putin, he doesn't appear to be arranging for a successor.

So unless the west literally pushed China away thru tariffs, sanctions,

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THG

Wednesday, May 15, 2024 11:51 PM

Comrade, your first two polls are 6 and 7 years old. The last two are 4 and 3 years old.

Are you that desperate to bash or make America look bad?


T

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

The non- Western world doesn't even exist, as far as Zeihan's concerned.

Anyone who has that significant blind spot can't possibly be accurate. I believe that was my very first reaction to one of his videos, and apparently it's still true.

That, and his "facts" have turned out to be garbage so far.

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What non-western countries are you talking about? He predicts their collapse, and he does it in detail. He uses facts to do so. If you've watched the different videos I've posted, you'd have seen all this. Pick a non-western country and I'll post a video explaining their coming demise. Don't like Zeihan, I'll post another globalists video.

What facts are garbage? You have no facts to dispute Zeihan or you'd post more than gibberish. Real numbers comrade, not Chinese or Russian self declared numbers.

T

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You must be really scared about Peter's prediction that the fed will not cut rates this year.

Or is that prediction not based on facts and just the ones you choose to believe are?

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Trump will be fine.
He will also be your next President.

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SIGNY: Sounds like NYT and I agree

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SIGNY: Here's what I think China is doing wrong:

Instead of working on developing independently, the Chinese government took the easy and quick way out. They duplicated the Japan model of development: count on foreign investment and foreign markets and export your labor. Walmart suppliers, Apple, Nike, CocaCola, and a whole host of formerly western- based industries relocated right quick. For a while, whole factories were being dismantled and shipped to China! But while it gave quick results, it distorted Chinese production and geared it to western markets. China is STILL taking the easy way out. Why else do you think they were doing Covid research in Wuhan?

And if the foreign markets dry up, as they did in 2008 and are doing again now, yiur economy will nosedive as well.

China still believes, apparently, that having a grossly and endlessly positive trade balance is a good thing. It's not. If having an endlessly negative trade balance is endlessly borrowing money, then having an endless positive trade balance is endlessly lending money. It's all well and good to be sitting on piles of dollars and euros, as long as the dollars and euros retain their value. But it makes them hostage to American and European fiscal policy and affects China's foreign policy. Why else do you think they keep whinging about win- win, and peace and prosperity?

China has made a clusterfuck of its lending policies, and blew up debt loads beyond all reason, only to have that money plunked into speculation.

China also has made a clusterfuck of its revenue sharing. The central government collects taxes. It does not share revenue and provincial governments can't collect taxes. So they float bonds. Lots and lots of bonds! For lots and lots of pointless infrastructure! Because like any good bureaucracy, they want to see their budgets grow!

And like revenue sharing, China has made a clusterfuck of social benefits, which are based on provincial registration and not national. It ties people to their province.

China's emphasis on The Next Big Thing. They jump in with both feet, withiut being able to develop, test, and modify if necessary.

And finally, China's social policy. With its emphasis on standard of living, it leaves China with nothing to fall back on in adversity.

---

I would like to add, demonstrating China's piggybacking on USA research, that Russia would NEVER allow USA bioweapon lab research on its own soil (i.e. Covid). And look where it got THEM. And, ultimately, everyone.

China's development is at a "running scared" pace. I've read they are trying to avoid another Tiananmen Square. They're doing everything at breakneck speed, but -like a lot of their showcase projects - not very well. They need to slow down and make sure their development is done well and makes sense from a demand standpoint.

I still think that Xi wants to break from co-deoendence with the west. But China's trade with Africa, which currently stands at $250-300b, would need to triple to rival it's trade with the USA at $1T, and at its previous rate of increase that would take 49 years.
https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/27880.jpeg
https://www.statista.com/chart/27880/trade-between-china-and-africa/

China's trade with Russia, while important, only totals about $100b, between exports and imports

https://www.gzeromedia.com/the-graphic-truth-china-russia-trade-ties

That would have to multiply by a factor of 10 to rival its trade with the USA.

So even tho China is casting about - desperately, some might say- for non western trade partners, it would take at least 15 more years to rearrange its production and trade.
Xi, given his age, doesn't have that much time! And unlike Putin, he doesn't appear to be arranging for a successor.

So unless the west literally pushed China away thru tariffs, sanctions, and saber- rattling

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THG

Thursday, May 16, 2024 12:19 AM

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Originally posted by THG:

Comrade, your first two polls are 6 and 7 years old. The last two are 4 and 3 years old. As for Chemicals, do you even understand the subject?

As for steel, we're going to be building a lot of factories and warehouses going forward. US steel will grow bigtime.

Are you that desperate to bash or make America look bad?

T

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T

The chemical industry is critical to advanced electronics, says Chemours CEO

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

USA Chemicals - lower

chip production - good news

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I don't think we have anything to worry about. America is still dominant. And it's great to see our allies also dominate in this industry.

T

Which Country Manufactures The Most Chemicals For Export? (1988 - 2023)

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Monday, September 26, 2022 12:40 PM

SIGNYM

Why did you even post nonsense to begin with?

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Comrade signym's first visit to the China thread.

T

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