End of the world Peter Zeihan
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Quote:Chinese, being wealthier, are feeding this to pigs. (Pork is China's preferred meat.) In 2022 and 2023, China was by far the world's largest pork producer, clocking in 55 million metric tons, compared to Europe's 22.5 MMt and the USA's 12.4 Mmt. That is appx equal per capita.
Originally posted by THG:
China depends on imports for 85% of its soybean supplies
and is now the biggest corn importer and a top wheat buyer.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/273232/net-pork-production-worldwi
de-by-country/
If China stops importing soybeans, corn, and wheat (for animal feed) that doesn't mean Chinese will go hungry (as would happen in India, where grains and legumes are staples). It means that Chinese would eat less meat.
Quote:Theee are policy problems, not phyiscal limitations.
China Increasingly Relies on Imported Food. That’s a Problem.
China has so far been able to feed its 1.4 billion people, but climate change and a dependence on imports could pose challenges.
Article by Zongyuan Zoe Liu
January 25, 2023 3:54 pm (EST)
Despite its domestic production, China has been a net importer [DOC] of agricultural products since 2004. Today, it imports more of these products—including soybeans, corn, wheat, rice, and dairy products—than any other country. Between 2000 and 2020, the country’s food self-sufficiency ratio decreased from 93.6 percent to 65.8 percent. Changing diet patterns have also driven up China’s imports of edible oils, sugar, meat, and processed foods. In 2021, the country’s edible oil import-dependency ratio reached nearly 70 percent [article in Chinese], almost as high as its crude oil import dependence.
For example, the cost to grow soybeans in China is 1.3 times [article in Chinese] than it is in the United States, and the yield is 60 percent less. Because wages are lower for farmers than for factory workers and other urban occupations, farmers feel incentivized to abandon the profession altogether.
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China’s food import dependence will likely increase as the amount of arable land continues to diminish. Between 2013 and 2019, China lost more than 5 percent of its arable land due to factors such as excess fertilizer use and land neglect, according to Chinese government figures. Extreme weather, environmental degradation, water scarcity and pollution, and climate change could exacerbate the problem. Scholars from the United States and China estimate that climate change and ozone pollution together reduced China’s national average crop yields
China’s last nationwide food crisis was the Great Famine in 1959–1961, the largest famine in human history. Sparked by the Great Leap Forward, a series of radical industrialization policies, it led to thirty million people starving to death and about the same number of lost or postponed births. The Great Famine sowed the seed for the decade-long sociopolitical turmoil of the Cultural Revolution in 1966–1976.
https://www.cfr.org/article/china-increasingly-relies-imported-food-th
ats-problem
What China faces is not famine. Leave it to Council on Foreign Relations to catastrophize China's situation.
WHEAT PRODUCTION, CONSUMPTION, AND PERCENT WORLD IMPORTS BY YEAR
RICE
CORN
Also soy, sorghum, and cotton
https://agupdate.com/agriview/markets/crop/chinas-imports-hit-world-tr
ade/article_2b1a28a9-f5b3-56d2-8549-c39f1d5fe7cf.html
Unlike Japan, China has the capacity to be self reliant in food, albeit with less meat in the diet. It would require policy changes to pay farme
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
(Pork is China's preferred meat.) In 2022 and 2023, China was by far the world's largest pork producer, clocking in 55 million metric tons, compared to Europe's 22.5 MMt and the USA's 12.4 Mmt. That is appx equal per capita.
Pork, you should watch the video.
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Famine: The Ultimate Country Killer
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THUGR, I'm not gonna listen to more Zeihan nonsense. Looking at China's food production
, it's clear that "famine" is not in the cards any time soon. Just like "demographic collapse" is not in the cards any time soon. Or why we should depend on Japan since it has no natural resources to speak of and one foot in the demographic grave already.
You should verify Zeihan's figures with independent research, or at least look at the graphs I posted.
Honestly, I don't know why you take Zeihan seriously.
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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
Why SECOND'S posts are brainless: "I clocked how much time: no more than 10 minutes per day. With cut-and-paste (Ctrl C and Ctrl V) and AI, none of this takes much time."
Or, any verification or thought.
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Originally posted by THG:
"Who knows...Toyota CEO: "This NEW Engine Will Destroy The Entire EV Industry!""
So, does this mean you're ready to get past that "IMMINENT population collapse" issue?
It's not a problem for me that you cannot understand that if the decline in total population is not matched by an equal or greater increase in productivity (GDP/capita), and that condition continues from one calendar quarter to the next, that country would experience a decline in GDP. This is known as an economic recession.
If these conditions become permanent the country could find itself in a permanent recession. As is predicted to happen to China because it's population decline is so dramatic.
Even if their EV output is a success, one industry cannot sustain a country. Especially a country of more than a billion.
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It's not a problem for me that you cannot understand that IF the decline in total population is not matched by an equal or greater increase in productivity (GDP/capita)...
Idiot.
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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
Why SECOND'S posts are brainless: "I clocked how much time: no more than 10 minutes per day. With cut-and-paste (Ctrl C and Ctrl V) and AI, none of this takes much time."
Or, any verification or thought.
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Facepalm wtf, I have sometimes argued and disagreed with SIGNYM but SIGNYM can be respected on data and is no idiot
THG,
dont copy and pasta paste nonsense and btw maybe re-read what you wrote and respond more carefully next time or...
do you have trouble with statistical concepts and math?
also its a waste of time posting PedoZeihan, ReaverFan is not here, FREMDFIRMA is gone, SECOND is mostly posting movie links
none of us watch Zeihan's stuff anymore, we don't want to buy his stupid book
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You guys crack me up.
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Read the Full Transcript of President Joe Biden’s Interview With TIME
In addition to that, we have to deal with the Indo-Pacific. I've had 15 island presidents and leaders here twice now. They know if they—if we don't do something about global warming, a couple of them are going to be underwater. I mean, literally underwater, not to—So we're putting together coalitions of people that have a similar interest. And it makes it difficult. You know, you're talking, everybody talks about how, how strong China is and how powerful they are. Name me—Would you trade places with Xi Jinping and any other country? Not a joke? I'm being deadly earnest, a rhetorical question. But would you? You’ve got a population that’s considerably older than the vast majority of the youth in Europe, that is too old to work. And they are xenophobic. Where is it coming from? Where is it going to grow? You’ve got an economy that's on the brink there. The idea that their economy is booming? Give me a break.
I do have one last on China, which is are they meddling in the election? Have you seen evidence that they're meddling with AI or in other ways in the US election?
Biden: There, there, there, there is evidence that meddling is going on. I'm not going to get into, I don't think I should from an intelligence standpoint, there…
Biden: I think China would have an interest—let me put it like this—would have an interest in meddling. Everybody, all the bad guys are rooting for Trump, man. Not a joke. Think about it. Think about it. I mean, that line that Macron used, and it says that…I was making notes for this. It said, Macron, they know the experience of brain death unlike anytime. Because lack of US leadership, we should reassess the reality of NATO in light of the lack of US leadership.
You know, we talked about what they're looking at in terms of Asia. One thing that I was able to convince the Japanese of, is we're not walking away from Japan. Because Japan, collected with us, is a source of great economic strength and stability, physical stability for both of us. You're not going to have, I mean, the idea that China wants to screw with everybody is a different place. By the way, the cost of China to build their military is multi-billions of dollars.
And guess what they're, you know, they're, they’re…what they call it? Going around the world? The Belt and Road initiative? It's become a nuisance graveyard initiative. I'm serious. Think about it. I've been saying this for three years, and you guys write, “No, China’s on the right—China’s gonna break through.” Where are they, where are they breaking through? And look what's happening in Africa.
https://time.com/6984968/joe-biden-transcript-2024-interview/
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So now I'm supposed to believe a senile, cantankerous old man who doesn't know where and when he is half the time?
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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
Why SECOND'S posts are brainless: "I clocked how much time: no more than 10 minutes per day. With cut-and-paste (Ctrl C and Ctrl V) and AI, none of this takes much time."
Or, any verification or thought.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So now I'm supposed to believe a senile, cantankerous old man who doesn't know where and when he is half the time?
Him or this guy.
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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Facepalm wtf, I have sometimes argued and disagreed with SIGNYM but SIGNYM can be respected on data and is no idiot
THG,
dont copy and pasta paste nonsense and btw maybe re-read what you wrote and respond more carefully next time or...
do you have trouble with statistical concepts and math?
also its a waste of time posting PedoZeihan, ReaverFan is not here, FREMDFIRMA is gone, SECOND is mostly posting movie links
none of us watch Zeihan's stuff anymore, we don't want to buy his stupid book
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Misinformation from the US Congress
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