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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Thursday, February 1, 2024 8:28 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

This is every post Second makes.

His AIDS riddled ADHD brain leaves him completely able to focus on a topic for longer than it takes him to finish his last post.

You must have flunked out of college because the Professors wouldn't give you the personal instruction you felt was your due, but rather they left it to you to make the connections in your head, all by yourself. (P.S. 6ix, you made the wrong connections in college. Make this connection: you and Signym are mistaken if you think I believe you are real. You are the meat versions of spam bots. "Trump will be fine? He will be your next President?" 6ix, do you recall writing those words thousands of times? The catchphrase with Signym is "Blah-blah-blah" written thousands of times. You two are spam bots.)



I didn't flunk out. I dropped out. I didn't need college. I'm doing far better than the vast majority of Americans are without it.



Trump will be fine. He will be your next President.

Fuck Ukraine. Fuck Joe Biden*. Fuck Democrat voters.



I'm going to go do some productive things. Have fun wasting more of your time in your current anguish of the day. I got shit to do.

Later loser.

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Friday, February 2, 2024 12:35 AM

Russia State TV Discusses Attacking Degenerate NATO for Moral Salvation

Updated Feb 01, 2024 at 10:16 AM EST

In a discussion on state TV channel Russia-1, Vitaly Tretyakov, a journalist and dean at Lomonosov State University, discussed launching attacks on both France and Italy.

Kremlin propagandists have routinely warned of a looming world war and strikes by Russia on NATO territory. Russian officials and guests on Russian state TV have called for strikes on both the U.S. and other NATO members.

"I don't know, is it some kind of selective approach, like we would attack this one and this one we won't attack?" Tretyakov responded. "There's always something legalized somewhere, like pedophilia, LGBT. Why would we attack them? To bring them proper, decent moral standards because they've lowered them? Apart from all other aspects: economic, feeding them, watering them, etc."

"So if we have to attack someone for salvation, there are only two countries—France and Italy—where the main wealth of European, West-European, Central-European culture is concentrated," Tretyakov said. "This is where there is something you have to save."

Newsweek has contacted Russia's Foreign Ministry for comment by email.

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-state-tv-attack-nato-nations-france-it
aly-1865971


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Friday, February 2, 2024 8:18 AM

Ukraine's Push to Join NATO Faces Roadblocks

By Robbie Gramer, Jack Detsch | January 30, 2024, 3:58 PM

https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/01/30/ukraine-nato-membership-delay-war
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Ukraine and some of its strongest supporters are pushing NATO to formally invite Kyiv to become a member of the military alliance during a major upcoming summit, but their efforts are facing significant behind-the-scenes pushback from the United States and Germany, according to a dozen current and former officials familiar with the matter.

Kyiv has backing from Eastern European countries already in the military alliance, including Poland and the Baltic states, which view extending NATO membership to Ukraine as the most effective and least costly way to blunt Russia’s irredentist ambitions in Eastern Europe. Yet other Western NATO officials, mostly notably in Washington and Berlin, believe that it’s too soon to kick-start the process of admitting Ukraine to NATO while the country is still fighting a war against Russia.

Both the United States and Germany are top donors of military and economic aid to Ukraine. Officials in both countries insist that Ukraine should join NATO eventually, but that now isn’t the time to start the process. They said they believe the immediate focus should be on continuing to supply Ukraine with weapons and munitions to keep up the fight against Russia in the near term.

The fierce debate that is playing out behind the scenes in Washington and Brussels is existential for Ukraine and will determine the future of Europe’s security landscape as NATO continues to adjust to the reality of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s territorial ambitions.

A Ukraine in NATO could deal a death blow to Putin’s neoimperialist ambitions to annex Ukraine and possibly even further encroach on European territories. Only Ukraine’s NATO membership, some officials believe, will finally convince Russia to pump the brakes on its invasion and end the war.

Among the most vocal backers of rush-ordering Ukraine’s NATO membership invitation is Anders Fogh Rasmussen, the former Danish prime minister and NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg’s predecessor. “Very often, I hear the argument that we cannot invite Ukraine to join NATO as long as the war is going on,” he said. “I think that’s an extremely dangerous argument to use, because that de facto provides Putin with a veto over NATO and gives him an incentive to continue hostilities in Ukraine indefinitely.”

Other proponents of this view believe that bringing Ukraine into NATO sooner rather than later will be cheaper in the long run than the current Western strategy of funneling arms and munitions to Ukraine in perpetuity while keeping NATO membership on the back burner. Ukraine can only halt a Russian invasion once it is brought into the alliance’s fold, they argue.

“Delays in moving toward membership are not only pricey for Ukraine, but are also expensive for the alliance,” said Kristjan Prikk, Estonia’s ambassador to Washington.

Letting Ukraine into NATO too soon, however, particularly as large swaths of its territory are still occupied by Russian forces, could trigger a full-scale NATO-Russia conflict, given the 31-member alliance’s bedrock collective defense clause that calls for all NATO countries to defend any one country that has been attacked. The prospect of a Russia-NATO conflict turning nuclear looms in the background of these debates.

So, too, does the upcoming U.S. presidential election, where incumbent President Joe Biden looks slated to face off again against former President Donald Trump. Trump, long a critic of NATO, hasn’t said much on the campaign trail about Ukraine’s NATO membership, but many officials and experts believe he wouldn’t work to admit Ukraine into the alliance if he were elected—pushing Ukraine’s hope for joining back at least four years.

The debate also comes as some allies have begun wavering on their commitments to Ukraine, with some populist leaders in Europe, includ

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Friday, February 2, 2024 3:34 PM

Ukrainian forces successfully struck and sunk a Russian Black Sea Fleet (BSF) vessel in the Black Sea near occupied Crimea on the night of January 31 to February 1. The Ukrainian Main Military Intelligence Directorate (GUR) published footage on February 1 showing Ukrainian maritime drones striking the Ivanovets Tarantul-class corvette (41st Missile Boat Brigade) near Lake Donuzlav in occupied Crimea.[4] The Ukrainian Navy reported that the sinking of the Ivanovets is a significant loss to the BSF since the BSF has only three ships of its project 1241.1 (Tarantul) class and noted that Ukrainian forces previously damaged a project 1239 Bora-class corvette in the 41st Missile Boat Brigade.[5] The Ukrainian Navy stated that the Ivanovets is usually staffed with 40 personnel, and the GUR stated that Russian search and rescue operations were unsuccessful.[6] ISW continues to assess that successful Ukrainian strikes on BSF vessels and infrastructure have limited the BSF’s ability to operate in the western part of the Black Sea.[7]

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-february-1-2024


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Friday, February 2, 2024 3:34 PM

Russian milbloggers continued to voice frustrations about Russian forces’ continued tactical blunders during offensive operations in western Donetsk Oblast. Several Russian milbloggers criticized the Russian military command on January 31 and February 1 for failing to account for the “[drone] factor” when planning tactical assaults in response to footage posted on January 30 showing Ukrainian forces striking a column of advancing Russian vehicles and tanks near Novomykhailivka.[11] A Kremlin-affiliated milblogger noted that Ukrainian minefields are canalizing Russian routes but argued that the Russian military command still needs to stop attacking in mechanized columns due to consistently taking high equipment losses.[12] The milblogger also criticized the Russian command for failing to account for Ukrainian drone operations and to equip Russian armored vehicles with electronic warfare (EW) systems to counter Ukrainian drones.[13] Another Russian milblogger questioned how Russian commanders can fail to account for Ukrainian drones in attack plans and afford to lose so much equipment and manpower, accusing the Russian commanders of “complete stupidity and incompetence.”[14] Other Russian milbloggers seized on the discourse to advocate for continued domestic support for drone and EW production in Russia and to argue that Russian sources should not have to censor themselves if they have constructive criticism for Russian commanders.[15] The Russian military command has actively censored some Russian milbloggers in recent months for criticizing the military likely to encourage and enforce self-censorship among other Russian milbloggers.[16]

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-february-1-2024


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Friday, February 2, 2024 11:00 PM

Crimea Air Base Attack Sees Top Russian Air Force General 'Liquidated'

Updated Feb 02, 2024 at 9:53 AM EST

Multiple Russian Telegram channels, including Crimean Wind, reported that Russian Air Force Lieutenant General Alexander Tatarenko was killed during a Ukrainian strike on the Belbek military airfield in Crimea.

Telegram channel Public Reserve Stugna said 10 Russian military personnel were "liquidated" in the attack, including Tatarenko, the commander of the aviation unit at the Belbek air base.

Newsweek has contacted Russia's Defense Ministry for comment by email. The Kremlin hasn't commented on the reports. Moscow rarely confirms reports about the deaths of its top commanders.

https://www.newsweek.com/crimea-airbase-attack-ukraine-general-alexand
er-tatarenko-killed-1866261



A List of American Commanders in WWII Who Lost Their Lives

Relatively few U.S. generals lost their lives in World War II.

By Thomas R. Cagley | July 2005

https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/article/list-american-commanders-wwi
i-lost-their-lives
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General George S. Patton, Jr., once said, “An army is like a piece of cooked spaghetti. You can’t push it, you have to pull it after you.” He was referring to commanders being leaders as he had little use for commanders that were not out in front of their units. This attitude was the norm for American commanders in WWII, and the amazement is not that a few dozen general officers were lost, but that U.S. armed forces did not lose more!

Leaders being out front is not a unique military concept, nor exclusively that of the United States. Since the earliest days of recorded warfare, good leaders have always been at the forefront of battle.

Some nations have a unique concept of control over military leadership. This was especially evident in the Soviet Union in the years before the onset of World War II. During the war, Hitler not only directed military battles, but controlled the general officer corps to an incredible, and as it turned out, disastrous degree.

Russia and Germany Both Hard Up for Officers

A few years before World War II Soviet Dictator Josef Stalin purged the Soviet military of most of its high-ranking and experienced officers. During his frenzied attack on the officer ranks through the end of 1938, Stalin had executed at least 65,000 officers, including 13 of 15 generals of the army, 93 percent of all officers ranked lieutenant general and above, and 58 percent of all officers ranked colonel through major general. Ironically, one of the few senior commanders to survive, Dimitri Pavlov, would be executed within days of Germany’s invasion of the Soviet Union because of incompetence.

During the war, Hitler executed 84 German generals, and another 135 generals were killed in action.

More at https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/article/list-american-commanders-wwi
i-lost-their-lives
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Besides Hitler and Stalin, another infamous head of government who would execute generals: Trump Accused General Mark Milley of Treason

Trump suggested that former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Mark Milley be executed for the treasonous act of preventing him from starting a war to stay in office, as detailed in a long piece in The Atlantic. (In truth, and in the abstract, having the JCS chief contacting China to reassure it regarding the ostensible commander-in-chief made me a little nervous.) https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a45305390/trump-tweet-n
bc-news-mark-milley-treason
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Saturday, February 3, 2024 1:00 PM

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When the General Staff have been discussing with President Vladimir Putin the timing of the Russian offensive to force the Kiev regime into capitulation, it has been agreed, understood, and repeated that the strategic reserves of the Ukrainian forces should be destroyed first, together with the supply lines for the weapons and ammunition crossing the border from the US and the NATO allies.

This process, they also agreed, should take as long as required with least casualties on the Russian side, as determined by military intelligence. Also agreed and pre-conditional, there should be no repeat of the political intelligence failures of the Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) which precipitated the failed special forces operation known as the Battle of Antonov (Hostomel) Airport from February 24 to April 2, 2022.

Taking account of the mistakes made then by the SVR director, Sergei Naryshkin, and the subsequent mistakes of military officers around Yevgeny Prigozhin, the General Staff has also accepted that their tactical operations must run least risk of Russian casualties through March 17, the final day of the presidential election.

Reinforcing these preconditions for the timing of the Russian offensive, General Winter and General Patience have joined the Stavka meetings.

This week military sources believe there has been a turning point – on the Ukrainian battlefield, and on the Russian clock.

The daily Defense Ministry briefing and bulletin from Moscow reported last Thursday, before the Friday weekly summary, that the Ukrainian KIA (killed in action) for the previous twenty-four hours totaled 795, with the ratio of offensive tactics to defence, 3 to 3. On Monday, the KIA total was 680, the ratio 4 to 3. On Tuesday, KIA came to 885, the ratio 5 to 1. The casualty rate is unusually high; the shift to offence is recognizably new, if not announced.

The “Stavka Project”, a military briefing which is broadcast by Vladimir Soloviev, confirms the positional breakthroughs this week on several of the fronts or “directions”, as the Defense Ministry calls them, along the Donbass line; click to watch (in Russian).

In Boris Rozhin’s summary of the Defense Ministry briefing materials, published before dawn on Wednesday morning, the leading Russian military blogger (Colonel Cassad) identifies “small advances”, “slight movements”, some positional “successes”, other positional “counter-fighting”, and “no significant progress yet”. The adverb is military talk for timing.

According to a military source outside Russia, “the Russian breakthrough is beginning to happen now. It’s being coordinated with strikes and raids along the northern border. The commitment of the ‘crack’ Ukrainian brigades at the expense of other sectors shows how desperate [General Valery] Zaluzhny is to plug the holes. He knows that the target is the isolation of Kharkov, the establishment of a demilitarized ‘buffer zone’, as well as the development of a situation whereby all Ukrainian forces east of the Dnieper are threatened with being cut off… and he’s quickly running out of ammunition, not to mention cannon fodder.”

“By the end of the winter,” the source has added overnight, “the Ukrainians will barely be able to move along the roads they use to feed the front due to the Russian drone, missile, conventional air, and artillery strikes. Once they can no longer plug the gaps with mechanized units acting as fire-fighting brigades, it’s just a matter of time before the big breakthroughs and encirclements begin. At the current burn rate of Ukrainian forces, I imagine we’ll start seeing Russian tanks with fuel tanks fitted for extended range appearing and Russian airborne troops making air assaults in the Ukrainian rear within weeks.”


MORE AT https://johnhelmer.net/breakthrough-on-all-fronts-ahead-of-schedule/#m
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Saturday, February 3, 2024 4:55 PM

Russian President Vladimir Putin evoked a wide Russian social and economic mobilization reminiscent of the Soviet Union’s total mobilization in the Second World War during a February 2 speech. Putin attended the “Everything for Victory” event at the Tulatochmash plant in Tula Oblast on February 2 and promoted Russian efforts to expand its defense industrial base (DIB) to an audience of 600 representatives of various professions from across Russia.[1]

“Everything for Victory” is a Soviet-era slogan that Soviet authorities first used during the Russian Civil War and then extensively during the Second World War to promote the widespread mobilization of Soviet industry and society.[2] Putin stated that defense industrial workers in Tula Oblast are currently working under this slogan just as their grandfathers and great-grandfathers did.[3] Putin asserted that modern Russian defense industrial workers have proven themselves worthy of these “ancestors,” who won the industrial battle against Nazi Germany.[4]

Putin followed his Soviet predecessors in ignoring the critical role the US defense industry played in facilitating the Soviet victory through the Lend-Lease program. The Kremlin has previously appealed to the myths of the Great Patriotic War to reassure the Russian public that the Russian war effort will bring to bear overwhelming manpower and materiel for victory in Ukraine as the Soviet Union did for the Red Army against Nazi Germany.[5]

Putin claimed that 6,000 Russian enterprises and 3.5 million workers are part of Russia’s DIB and that 10,000 more enterprises are connected to the DIB in auxiliary or supporting roles.[6] Putin stated that in the previous 16 months, Russia’s DIB has created 520,000 new jobs; has increased the production of armored protection for personnel by a factor of 2.5; and has increased the production of armored vehicles and other equipment for combined arms warfare by an unspecified percentage.[7] Putin claimed that Russian enterprises are fulfilling the entirety of the state defense order and that the Kremlin significantly increased and fully funded the 2024 state defense order.[8]

Putin also repeatedly stressed that all of Russia’s latest weapons are superior to weapons produced by NATO countries.[9]

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-february-2-2024


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Saturday, February 3, 2024 5:28 PM

NATO has a munitions problem, and Europe needs to step up

By Katherine Kjellström Elgin and Tyler Hacker | Feb 1, 09:11 AM

https://www.defensenews.com/opinion/2024/02/01/nato-has-a-munitions-pr
oblem-and-europe-needs-to-step-up
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This is an urgent requirement: NATO cannot plan on Russia being too weak or distracted to be a threat. If Europe’s industrial base cannot meet these demands quickly enough to ensure NATO’s near-term readiness requirements, members should consider foreign suppliers or purchases of alternate capabilities, like novel loitering munitions or air defense solutions.

Sustained munitions requirements for protracted conflict are likely much higher than previously assessed, as NATO’s secretary general admitted last year.

Europe must foster a munitions-industrial base capable of competing with a mobilized Russian industrial base. Commentators often point to Europe’s gross domestic product being nearly eight times that of Russia, but GDP alone does not produce weapons.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Saturday, February 3, 2024 5:53 PM

I recently read a book by the great historian William Shirer, a book about the Third French Republic, which was between World War I and World War II. One of the most haunting parts of that book was about the failure of the European allies, particularly France and Great Britain to face Hitler when stopping him would have been relatively easy. Whenever people write to my office, asking why are we supporting Ukraine, I answer, Google “Sudetenland in 1938.” We could have stopped a dictator; we, the West, at a relatively low cost. The result of not doing so was 55 million deaths. That chapter has haunted me because it echoes so strongly in what's happening in Ukraine.

https://time.com/6591083/america-support-ukraine-angus-king/

google Sudetenland in 1938
https://www.google.com/search?q=Sudetenland+in+1938

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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