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As Palestinians pushes for statehood, Israel finds itself more isolated

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Sunday, November 19, 2023 6:53 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh yes, cue...TRUMP! TRUMPTARDS! NAZIS! THE CONFEDERACY! HOLDOMOR!

Jeez, SECOND, even when I agree with you, I can't agree with your arguments!


Signym, Biden is the audience: Israel’s Ludicrous Propaganda Wins Over the Only Audience That Counts

World / November 17, 2023
https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-gaza-propaganda-biden/

Why make an effort to be credible if you’re going to be uncritically echoed by the White House and Western press?

On November 11, an Arabic-language Twitter account maintained by Israel’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs posted a video purporting to be a selfie by a nurse in al-Shifa hospital in Gaza, a major battlefield in the current conflict that was taken over by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) a few days later. In the startling video, as bombs went off in the background, the tearful nurse warned Gazans to heed the call of the IDF to flee to the south. She also affirmed many IDF talking points, notably that Hamas had taken over the hospital and were stealing morphine and fuel.

The video gained millions of views—but was also widely mocked by many, particularly Arabs, who questioned its authenticity. For one thing, none of the staff in the hospital knew who this supposed nurse was. For another, she spoke in English with an accent that resembled no known Arab lilt.

As Marc Owen Jones of The Daily Beast observed, “Everything about it smacked of high school theater—from the botched accent that sounded like it was straight out of an Israeli soap opera to the perfectly scripted IDF talking points rolling off her tongue.” Jones also noted “the pristine white lab coat looking like it had just come back from the dry cleaner, the audio track of bombs falling that sounded like samples from a late-’80s Casio keyboard, and the contrived stethoscope-waving you‘d expect from an extra on Grey’s Anatomy.”

Within a day, the tweet of the video was deleted by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. But of course, downloaded versions continue to circulate.

Lying and propaganda are endemic to warfare. Public opinion is always as much a battlefield as actual territory. But in the case of Israel’s ongoing war in Gaza—nominally against Hamas but actually devastating to the civilian population of the besieged territory—propaganda has taken a bizarre turn. This is propaganda that barely makes any effort to convince, instead offering ludicrous arguments in implausible forms. To pay attention to Israeli propaganda in recent weeks is like watching a magic trick done by an inept conjurer who constantly lets the audience see the mirrors and wires that are supposed to create optical illusions.

As Hussein Ibish, a resident scholar at the Arab Gulf States Institute notes, “Israel’s propaganda has always been ham-handed and ridiculous, but during this Gaza war, it has been so pathetically bad and jumped the shark so terribly that it’s going to be very difficult to restore any credibility at all with a great many people in the US and Europe.”

A few examples will suffice. On November 5, Israel bombed a car travelling from South Lebanon to Beirut. The IDF told the press that it “struck a vehicle in Lebanese territory that was identified as a suspicious vehicle containing several terrorists.” In fact, as Human Rights Watch later established, the car was civilian, containing a grandmother, a mother, and three young girls. The mother was wounded; the grandmother and girls were killed. Human Rights Watch concluded that this was an “apparent war crime” and “the attack on a vehicle containing only fleeing civilians shows reckless disregard by the Israeli military for its obligation to distinguish between civilian and military objects and a significant failure to take adequate safeguards to prevent civilian deaths.” Israel has promised an investigation, but based on previous experience that is likely to be slow and result only in a tepid admission of error.

On November 13, the IDF released a video of spokesman Daniel Hagari

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Sunday, November 19, 2023 8:21 PM

Hey Ted. I think your boy Second is turning on Biden because he's an Antifa Antisemite.



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Sunday, November 19, 2023 9:02 PM

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Hey Ted. I think your boy Second is turning on Biden because he's an Antifa Antisemite.

Have you ever heard this quote?

"Things fall apart; the center cannot hold; / Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, / The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere / The ceremony of innocence is drowned; / The best lack all conviction, while the worst / Are full of passionate intensity."

Biden should act less like "the best" and, instead, display more "passionate intensity".

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, November 19, 2023 9:04 PM

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Originally posted by second:
Biden should act less like "the best"





Your poor brain has been fucked to oblivion. You're barely even human anymore.

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Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.

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Sunday, November 19, 2023 9:42 PM

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Your poor brain has been fucked to oblivion. You're barely even human anymore.

You know what happens when people like Netanyahu, Trump and you make decisions, which is why none of you should be in charge of anything. Your lives are tales told by idiots, full of sound and fury. You are not competent to run your own lives, let alone other lives.

1) The corruption and autocracy nexus: The case of “King Bibi” | April 10, 2023
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-corruption-and-autocracy-nexus-
the-case-of-king-bibi
/

2) Where the criminal cases against Trump stand | Aug 15, 2023
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/where-the-criminal-cases-against
-trump-stand


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, November 20, 2023 1:43 AM

Israel has killed more children in Gaza than have died in all other conflict zones globally over the last year

Barefoot and weeping, Khaled Joudeh, 9, hurried toward the dozens of bodies wrapped in white burial shrouds, blankets and rugs outside the overcrowded morgue.

“Where’s my mom?” he cried next to a photographer for The New York Times. “I want to see my mom.”

“Where is Khalil?” he continued, barely audible between sobs as he asked for his 12-year-old brother. A morgue worker opened a white shroud, so Khaled could kiss his brother one final time.

Then, he bid farewell to his 8-month-old sister. Another shroud was pulled back, revealing the blood-caked face of a baby, her strawberry-red hair matted down. Khaled broke into fresh sobs as he identified her to the hospital staff. Her name was Misk, Arabic for musk.

“Mama was so happy when she had you,” he whispered, gently touching her forehead, tears streaming down his face onto hers.

She was the joy of his family, relatives later said — after three boys, his parents were desperate for a girl. When she was born, they said, Khaled’s mother delighted in dressing Misk in frilly, colorful dresses, pinning her tiny curls in bright hair clips.

Through his tears, Khaled bid farewell to his mother, father, older brother and sister, their bodies lined up around him. Only Khaled and his younger brother, Tamer, 7, survived what relatives and local journalists said was an airstrike on Oct. 22 that toppled two buildings sheltering their extended family.

A total of 68 members of the Joudeh family were killed that day as they slept in their beds in Deir al Balah, in central Gaza, three of Khaled’s relatives recounted in separate interviews.

Several branches and generations of the Joudehs, a Palestinian family, had been huddling together before the strike, relatives said, including some who had fled northern Gaza, as Israel had ordered residents to do. The Israeli military said it could not address questions about a strike on the family.

In the end, members of the family were buried together, side by side in a long grave, relatives said, showing footage of the burial and sharing a picture of Misk before she was killed.

Gaza, the United Nations warns, has become “a graveyard for thousands of children.”

Determining the precise number of children killed in Gaza — in the midst of a fierce bombing campaign, with hospitals collapsing, children missing, bodies buried under rubble and neighborhoods in ruins — is a Sisyphean task. Health officials in Gaza say that 5,000 Palestinian children have been killed since the Israeli assault began, and possibly hundreds more. Many international officials and experts familiar with the way death tolls are compiled in the territory say the overall numbers are generally reliable.

If the figures are even close to accurate, far more children have been killed in Gaza in the past six weeks than the 2,985 children killed in the world’s major conflict zones combined — across two dozen countries — during all of last year, even with the war in Ukraine, according to U.N. tallies of verified deaths in armed conflict. https://www.securitycouncilreport.org/atf/cf/%7B65BFCF9B-6D27-4E9C-8CD
3-CF6E4FF96FF9%7D/S_2023_363.pdf


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, November 20, 2023 2:12 AM

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Your poor brain has been fucked to oblivion. You're barely even human anymore.

You know what happens when people like Netanyahu, Trump and you make decisions, which is why none of you should be in charge of anything. Your lives are tales told by idiots, full of sound and fury. You are not competent to run your own lives, let alone other lives.

1) The corruption and autocracy nexus: The case of “King Bibi” | April 10, 2023
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-corruption-and-autocracy-nexus-
the-case-of-king-bibi
/

2) Where the criminal cases against Trump stand | Aug 15, 2023
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/where-the-criminal-cases-against
-trump-stand


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



We're all living through going on 4 years of Biden* right now, buddy.

I've heard a lot of lies and bullshit about Trump, but I want to know what was so bad about life for everyone in the entire fucking world compared to right now when he was President.

Something real. Something tangible.

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Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.

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Monday, November 20, 2023 5:07 AM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:



Your poor brain has been fucked to oblivion. You're barely even human anymore.

You know what happens when people like Netanyahu, Trump and you make decisions, which is why none of you should be in charge of anything. Your lives are tales told by idiots, full of sound and fury. You are not competent to run your own lives, let alone other lives.

1) The corruption and autocracy nexus: The case of “King Bibi” | April 10, 2023
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-corruption-and-autocracy-nexus-
the-case-of-king-bibi
/

2) Where the criminal cases against Trump stand | Aug 15, 2023
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/where-the-criminal-cases-against
-trump-stand


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



We're all living through going on 4 years of Biden* right now, buddy.

I've heard a lot of lies and bullshit about Trump, but I want to know what was so bad about life for everyone in the entire fucking world compared to right now when he was President.

Something real. Something tangible.

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Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.





Oh and hey, as if Lefty Media was reading my mind, The Hill is afraid about that question being asked once the primaries are over too.



The Hill: Democrats fear this one simple question will doom Biden

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/4315849-democrats-fear-this-on
e-simple-question-will-doom-biden
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“Biden will flunk the question.”

I was speaking with two senior Democratic operatives last week about the upcoming election and more specifically about the suggestion from David Axelrod — CNN analyst and former senior adviser to President Obama — that President Biden may want to reconsider his reelection bid as former President Trump gets closer and closer to becoming the presumptive Republican nominee.

Axelrod logically voiced his fears after the New York Times and Siena College published polls showing Trump leading Biden in five of six key battleground states. In a social media post, Axelrod wrote, “It’s very late to change horses; a lot will happen in the next year that no one can predict & Biden’s team says his resolve to run is firm.” He then added: “Only @JoeBiden can make this decision. If he continues to run, he will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. What he needs to decide is whether that is wise; whether it’s in HIS best interest or the country’s?”

For daring to voice his honest opinion, Axelrod — as reported in Politico — was referred to as a “prick” by President Biden, who has been known to fire off profanities when upset. Being told to pack it in by a former Obama guy was clearly just the thing to push Biden’s buttons.

Regardless of that spat, the Democratic operatives were not interested in any of it. Nor were they interested in debating Biden’s age nor his cognitive ability.

“I don’t care about any of those things,” one of them said. “They honestly don’t matter in relation to the question. And Biden is going to flunk that question and lose.”

The question these Democratic operatives feared being: “Were you better off four years ago than you are now?”

This is a reverse of arguably the most important question ever asked in a presidential debate. During the final week of the 1980 presidential race between Democratic President Jimmy Carter and GOP nominee Ronald Reagan, the two candidates held their sole debate on October 28.

Reagan used his closing remarks to look into the camera and ask Americans the question — one that became the defining moment of the election: “Are you better off now than you were four years ago?”

He then followed with: “Is it easier for you to go and buy things in the stores than it was four years ago? Is there more or less

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Monday, November 20, 2023 7:12 PM

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And the fact that RFK, who the Biden* Administration wouldn't even debate is going to be asking Americans that question at least as often as Trump will be once the primaries are over WILL doom the Democratic party after they made the decision to stand with the Roomba and Chief.

To be as blunt as possible, if you are not prospering in America, it is because you are stupid/lazy/crazy/obnoxious, not because of politics. Obviously, a politician won't get your vote while simultaneously telling you the truth: stop acting like you're mentally deranged. Instead, politicians tell voters it is not the voter's fault that the voter wrecked their own life.

In Israel, the politicians will tell the voters to blame the Palestinians for the voter's suffering. Never point out that Israel has millions of prisoners. Instead, blame the prisoners for breaking out of prison. Also, tell voters that God gave the Holy Land to Jews 5,000 years ago, superseding more recent land claims by Palestinians. Politicians know that voters want, with all their might, to believe lies, so keep lying. What is the worst that could happen?

Special note to 6ix and Signym: RFK Junior is a nutjob, so he obviously is appealing to mentally deranged voters. https://www.google.com/search?q=RFK+Junior+is+a+nutjob

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, November 21, 2023 7:02 AM

Man. Second/Reaverfan really hates Jews.

I guess the Nazis were the real Nazis all along.



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