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***** Sound of Freedom

POSTED BY: JEWELSTAITEFAN
UPDATED: Tuesday, January 23, 2024 03:13
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Thursday, September 7, 2023 2:46 AM

Tuesday's Numbers:

1. M3GAN - 1,508% [FINAL]
2. Super Mario Bros - 1,359% (+0%)
3. Sound of Freedom - 1,357% (+28)
4. Talk to Me - 1,356% (+23)
5. Insidious: The Red Door - 1,163% [FINAL]
6. Barbie - 955% (+1%)

SoF needs 3% to beat SMB. (About $1 Million)
SoF needs 152% to beat M3GAN. (About $22 Million)
SoF is 1% above Talk To Me.
SoF is 402% above Barbie.

Notes on these changes in several posts above this one.

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Thursday, September 7, 2023 5:11 AM


Sound of Freedom International Box Office.


I think I need to start a new table for this. Data is hard to come by, is not transparent, and seems to fluctuate a bunch. I will need to use Box Office Mojo for source data, and work from there. If other data becomes available, I will try to reconcile that.




Updating:

Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:


All figures not tagged with % are Millions of Dollars.
For Barbie figures, the same figures are both $Millions, but also % of Production Budget.
1st column is Date.
2nd column is SoF Single Day BO.
3rd column is Single Day BO % of Budget.
4th and 5th are Total Cummulative Box Office, and then % of Budget.
6th and 7th are Last 7 Days of Box Office, and then % of Budget. All for Sound of Freedom.
8th column is Barbie single Day Domestic Box Office.
9th column is the % of Budget gain on SoF % for the same day.
10th column is the Total of Barbie's Domestic Box Office.
11th column is the total of the Last 7 Days of Barbie's Domestic Box Office.
12th is the % gain on SoF for the same Last 7 Day period.
13th column - 18th columns are the same things, but for Worldwide Box Office.




0000________Sound of Freedom_______ | _______________Barbie_______________________
000/00000 Domestic Box Office 00000\ / Domestic Box Office 0 Worldwide Box Office \
00000000 1 Day Acuml Total Last L 7D 0000 Gain 00000Lst Gain0000 Gain000000Lst Gain
00001Day %Budg Total %Budg 7Day %Bdg 1Day onSoF Ttl 7Dy SoF 1Day onSoF Ttl 7Dy SoF
27J 2.57 18.4% 136.5 0975% 31.9 228% 21.2 +2.8% 258 236 +8% 44.5 26.1% 542 496 268%
28J 3.77 26.9% 140.3 1002% 30.0 214% 29.0 +2.1% 287 239 25% 60.9 34.0% 603 502 288%



Week of 14-20 August:

Nation0 DateRng _____________________This Week_______________________
Rel Thtr Weekdy BoxOffc Rk Thtr $ per Rnk Total 0 7 Day Rnk Cummultiv
Dte Cont Weeknd00000000000 Cnt Theatr0000Weekday SbTotal0000Total BO

18A Icel 14-17A $ 2,854 __ ___ ______ __ $ 2,854
000014/F 18-20A $11,914 #3 0 8 $1,489 #3 00000000$14,768 #5 $0 14,768
17A UAE- 14-16A
000200/T 17-20A 153,695 #8 039 $3,940 #7 00000000153,695 __ $ 153,695
18A SAfr 14-17A
000117/F 18-20A $87,927 #2 060 $1,465 #1 00000000$87,927 __ $0 87,927
18A Lith 14-17A
000177/F 18-20A $ 5,654 #8 016 $0 353 #2 00000000$ 5,654 __ $ 0 5,654
24A N Z- 14-16A
000123/T 17-20A $ 5,626 18 0 3 $1,875 #5 00000000$ 5,626 __ $ 0 5,626
00000000000000000000000000000000000000000$ 2,854000000000000$ 267,670


Week of 21-27 August:

Nation0 DateRng _____________________This Week______________________ ___________Last Week___________
Rel Thtr Weekdy BoxOffc Rk Thtr $ per Rnk Total 0 7 Day Rnk Cummultv BoxOffc Rk Thtr 7 Day

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Thursday, September 7, 2023 8:02 AM

Yeah... That table is pretty hard to read as it is right now buddy.

Did you see all the new money in the last 24 hours?

We didn't get anything else added to the-numbers after the 3.9 Million from Mexico, but it looks like there's another $400k or so added to BOM in the last few hours.

They added over $1 Million from Columbia yesterday at BOM, and I think Croatia and Slovenia are new as well... not that those last two are going to amount to anything much.

$2,403,192 at BOM and $7,588,724 at the-numbers right now and the only overlap between the 2 of them is $257,871 for the first week in New Zealand. So that's $9,734,045 internationally so far.



Unfortunately though, I think Talk To Me is going to run away with it. It just makes so much in the race every percentage bump compared to SoF.

It looks like it may finally be slowing down in the US though. It made $473,840 on Labor Day compared to SoF's $337,389, but I bet it at least doubled if not tripled SoF's Cheap Seat Tuesday take of only $103,552.

This comes off a weekend where SoF made $934,017 and Talk To Me made $1,763,699.



I mean, really... when you look at the numbers, Talk To Me isn't pulling in all that much more per day than SoF is, and they're both at what appears to be basically the end phase of their Domestic run. And even though Talk To Me has been getting international numbers in from the start of its run, it's only pulled in $16.4 Million internationally.

But when it gets a whole lot of international updates like it did this weekend (3 or maybe even 4 times in as many days), it just piles on that percentage over the $4.5 Million budget so quickly.

I think SoF still has a good chance of beating M3GAN with international numbers, but it might be Talk To Me who takes the crown for 2023 because of that small budget.

I even tried looking around to see if there was anyone claiming that TTM's budget was higher than initially claimed, but that information doesn't exist. In fact, I see some sites saying that they did it for less than $4.5 Million, which makes it sound as if they were just rounding up themselves when they called it.

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Thursday, September 7, 2023 9:41 AM

Hey, JSF...

You don't remember where we saw that Sound of Freedom's budget was $14 Million, do you?

I need full transparency on all of this and I can't be put in a position where somebody could claim that I'm picking favorites. I'm always going to use The-Numbers as the first source of information, either using other figures only when it's not available there or when there's been legitimate corrections to errors made there and/or updates that Bruce hasn't updated.

That being said, at this point, the only place and/or articles I can see that have the budget at only $14 Million are a few Christian websites. I know for a fact I wouldn't have used them as sources because that would just be setting me up for easy ridicule.

Everybody says it was $14.5 Million.

I think I might have to factor that into the equation now unless I get an actual source to cite such as Angel Studios themselves saying it was only $14 Million and not $14.5 Million.

I know it doesn't sound like a lot here, but especially when I've been rounding up or down for nearly everything (Except for Talk To Me's 4.5 budget, really), it's going to make a pretty big difference in the race.

$190 Million over $14.5 Million is only 1,310%, not 1,357%.

It's still not the end of the world since I didn't think that SoF really had a chance of catching up with M3GAN and staving off Talk To Me in the end, but this would all but assure it's 3rd place finish in 2023. (Assuming of course, that A24 or some other smaller studio doesn't put out another micro-budget movie that crushes it in 2023).

Let me know.



EDITED TO ADD:

I'm in the process of putting together a project that is going to blow away any of my data collection and lists I've been making here, and rather than relying on rounding of data it's going to be a hell of a lot more accurate.

Because of this though, I may not be updating the lists here for a while.

My ability to track all of this has seriously been hampered because of the nature of trying to do all of this work and post it on an ancient Web 1.0 website, and since I think this all has a lot of merit to it, I want to step up the game and make something that not only really presents this information well, but is a whole lot easier to update and maintain.

Though I don't want to link any work I do to any personal accounts I have on this website, it probably won't be the easiest thing to transfer that information here in my weekly lists either. I'm going to have to think real hard about how I want to handle that going forward here.

It may turn out that my easiest course of action going forward would be to have much more sporadic updates to the lists presented here. Monthly maybe? Or maybe I'll only choose to update the Disney lists here and just present the 2023 data on the other lists when 2023 is over. I don't know yet.

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Friday, September 8, 2023 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack (Yesterday):
My guess is somewhere in the range of $70k per day the next two days



How about that?

I just noticed that Sound of Freedom beat Haunted Mansion on Tuesday $103,552 to $103,326.

The very definition of inconsequential, sure, but the only reason that I noticed it was because SoF's numbers aren't yet up today and I remember I predicted $70k for both Wednesday and Thursday. Haunted Mansion's ACTUAL numbers are in for Wednesday and they were $70,164.

I got a little worried that I might have high-balled my SoF predictions by quite a bit there with Haunted Mansion regularly beating SoF by a decent amount as of late, but given yesterday's performance between the two I might be correct within like a fraction of a fraction of a percent.



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Friday, September 8, 2023 2:04 AM

Wednesday's Numbers:

1. M3GAN - 1,508% [FINAL]
2. Super Mario Bros - 1,360% (+1%)
3. Talk to Me - 1,356% (+0)
4. Sound of Freedom - 1,310% (-47%) *See Below
5. Insidious: The Red Door - 1,163% [FINAL]
6. Barbie - 956% (+1%)

SoF needs 47% to beat Talk To Me (About $7 Million)
SoF needs 51% to beat SMB. (About $8 Million)
SoF needs 152% to beat M3GAN. (About $29 Million)
SoF is 354% above Barbie.


Not that it matters now, but SoF just kicked MI7's, Haunted Mansions and Elemental's asses on Wednesday. Only a 13% drop from yesterday and just over $90k, which was $20k more than I expected.

But for the bad news...

As I mentioned above, I don't remember where I got the $14 Million Budget figure, and I can't find it anywhere now except for on some Christian blogs. Everybody who covers movies and isn't tied to any religious beliefs says that it's $14.5 Million. Without any evidence or an actual statement from Angel Studios saying it was only $14 Million, I have to change that factor here.

I'm pretty confident that with International numbers coming in like they are it should be able to beat Super Mario Bros. still, but I think Sound of Freedom might have to settle for 3rd place in 2023.

Still, not a bad result, losing only to a couple of indie horror movies with $12 Million and $4.5 Million budgets.

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Friday, September 8, 2023 3:31 AM

Is the table in the 2 Sept post readable?

I got the impression that Bruce will never lock in the exchange rate. I seems like the way he uses his formulas, he keeps them very fluid. Seems like if he locked them in to the time when they occurred, it may interfere with the way he use "inflation adjusted" formulas.


$14 M was the only figure I saw after the first few days. This was the figure as of the end of 2018. Lefty and woke sites have ballyhooed the $14.5 figure. They base this on the info that, after Angel Studios agreed to distribute the film (like March 2023), then crowdfunding was used to raise something like $500K (specific figures vary) to help with the costs of distribution. As widely reported, ALL OF THESE FUNDS have been repaid to the crowdfunders.
The film was produced for $14M.
I have considered this Fake add-on figure as sour grapes, trying to include Distribution costs, marketing costs, etc. as part of the "Film Production Budget" - although no other film counts it that way - only special treatment for non-woke films which the Libtards have never seen.
I was certain Bruce listed it at $14M.
I thought BOM listed it at $14M.
I've only seen it listed as $14.5M at lefty sites and any place the headline includes "Qanon linked" or "Right-wing" or "Christian-based" or other such nonsense. None of these are in the film, and any relation to those descriptors are after the True Events of the film, after the scripting of the film, after the start of filming, and mostly after the completion of filming, and even after completion of all Production of the film.

I just looked at The Numbers. Everything I had seen about the production budget there has been erased.

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Friday, September 8, 2023 5:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Is the table in the 2 Sept post readable?



First two aren't bad. 3rd one is kind of gibberish on my end.

Quote:

I got the impression that Bruce will never lock in the exchange rate. I seems like the way he uses his formulas, he keeps them very fluid. Seems like if he locked them in to the time when they occurred, it may interfere with the way he use "inflation adjusted" formulas.


Well... at some point after the movie's domestic run ends they stop changing. At some point its got to get locked in. It's probably not Bruce's call either.

Quote:

$14 M was the only figure I saw after the first few days. This was the figure as of the end of 2018. Lefty and woke sites have ballyhooed the $14.5 figure. They base this on the info that, after Angel Studios agreed to distribute the film (like March 2023), then crowdfunding was used to raise something like $500K (specific figures vary) to help with the costs of distribution. As widely reported, ALL OF THESE FUNDS have been repaid to the crowdfunders.
The film was produced for $14M.
I have considered this Fake add-on figure as sour grapes, trying to include Distribution costs, marketing costs, etc. as part of the "Film Production Budget" - although no other film counts it that way - only special treatment for non-woke films which the Libtards have never seen.



I've heard that too. Could you provide links that verify any of that without a doubt? I'd love to revert back to $14 Million if I had legitimate sources that could back these claims up.

Quote:

I was certain Bruce listed it at $14M.


No. Bruce never listed the production budget. This isn't out of the ordinary for him, particularly on low-budget movies. I'd say out of the 53 or so movies I'm tracking right now, probably 20 of them don't have the production budget on the-numbers.com.

You want really weird... To this day I can't find a single site anywhere that has the production budget for Woody Harrelson's Champions movie, which was directed by one of the Farley brothers.

Quote:

I thought BOM listed it at $14M.


I've never seen the budget stated there either. That site is kind of a pain in the ass to navigate though. If it is up there and you find it, I'd love to see the link.

Quote:

I've only seen it listed as $14.5M at lefty sites and any place the headline includes "Qanon linked" or "Right-wing" or "Christian-based" or other such nonsense. None of these are in the film, and any relation to those descriptors are after the True Events of the film, after the scripting of the film, after the start of filming, and mostly after the completion of filming, and even after completion of all Production of the film.


I've seen it listed as $14.5 Million everywhere. The only sites that say $14 Million were 2 or 3 Christian sites and blogs I stumbled upon, but even they don't say $14 Million specifically and use language like "around $14 Million".

Quote:

I just looked at The Numbers. Everything I had seen about the production budget there has been erased.



I can't be certain it was ever there. Like I said, over 1/3rd of the movies I'm tracking in 2023 don't have them listed at the-numbers.com. And unfortunately not only don't I remember where I got $14 Million from, but I can't even find anybody legitimate that even makes that claim anymore.

1. I don't believe in Mandela Effects, so...

2. I don't really believe that some huge conspiracy theory involving everybody that has ever talked about movies is in on the fix to bump up SoF's production budget by half a million dollars.

It's likely 0% of them are aware of the two of us tracking this percentage thing like we've been doing this year, and I don't know of anybody else that has ever even done that before, including all of the non-woke movie critics

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Friday, September 8, 2023 6:17 AM


Sound of Freedom International Box Office.


I think I need to start a new table for this. Data is hard to come by, is not transparent, and seems to fluctuate a bunch. I will need to use Box Office Mojo for source data, and work from there. If other data becomes available, I will try to reconcile that.




Updating:

Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:


All figures not tagged with % are Millions of Dollars.
For Barbie figures, the same figures are both $Millions, but also % of Production Budget.
1st column is Date.
2nd column is SoF Single Day BO.
3rd column is Single Day BO % of Budget.
4th and 5th are Total Cummulative Box Office, and then % of Budget.
6th and 7th are Last 7 Days of Box Office, and then % of Budget. All for Sound of Freedom.
8th column is Barbie single Day Domestic Box Office.
9th column is the % of Budget gain on SoF % for the same day.
10th column is the Total of Barbie's Domestic Box Office.
11th column is the total of the Last 7 Days of Barbie's Domestic Box Office.
12th is the % gain on SoF for the same Last 7 Day period.
13th column - 18th columns are the same things, but for Worldwide Box Office.




0000________Sound of Freedom_______ | _______________Barbie_______________________
000/00000 Domestic Box Office 00000\ / Domestic Box Office 0 Worldwide Box Office \
00000000 1 Day Acuml Total Last L 7D 0000 Gain 00000Lst Gain0000 Gain000000Lst Gain
00001Day %Budg Total %Budg 7Day %Bdg 1Day onSoF Ttl 7Dy SoF 1Day onSoF Ttl 7Dy SoF
27J 2.57 18.4% 136.5 0975% 31.9 228% 21.2 +2.8% 258 236 +8% 44.5 26.1% 542 496 268%
28J 3.77 26.9% 140.3 1002% 30.0 214% 29.0 +2.1% 287 239 25% 60.9 34.0% 603 502 288%



Week of 14-20 August:

Nation0 DateRng _____________________This Week_______________________
Rel Thtr Weekdy BoxOffc Rk Thtr $ per Rnk Total 0 7 Day Rnk Cummultiv
Dte Cont Weeknd00000000000 Cnt Theatr0000Weekday SbTotal0000Total BO

18A Icel 14-17A $ 2,854 __ ___ ______ __ $ 2,854
000014/F 18-20A $11,914 #3 0 8 $1,489 #3 00000000$14,768 #5 $0 14,768
17A UAE- 14-16A
000200/T 17-20A 153,695 #8 039 $3,940 #7 00000000153,695 __ $ 153,695
18A SAfr 14-17A
000117/F 18-20A $87,927 #2 060 $1,465 #1 00000000$87,927 __ $0 87,927
18A Lith 14-17A
000177/F 18-20A $ 5,654 #8 016 $0 353 #2 00000000$ 5,654 __ $ 0 5,654
24A N Z- 14-16A
000123/T 17-20A $ 5,626 18 0 3 $1,875 #5 00000000$ 5,626 __ $ 0 5,626
00000000000000000000000000000000000000000$ 2,854000000000000$ 267,670


Week of 21-27 August:

Nation0 DateRng _____________________This Week______________________ ___________Last Week___________
Rel Thtr Weekdy BoxOffc Rk Thtr $ per Rnk Total 0 7 Day Rnk Cummultv BoxOffc Rk Thtr 7 Day

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Friday, September 8, 2023 9:34 AM

It looks like we've got more overlap at BOM now. $3,989,423 for Mexico which (unsurprisingly) doesn't jibe with the $3,976,143 that The-Numbers is reporting.

BOM:
New Zealand: $538,503
Mexico: $3,989,423

The-Numbers:
New Zealand: $534,341
Mexico: $3,976,143

I'm going to call BOM's the overlap and just remove those two countries from the total.

So $7,588,724 at The-Numbers right now.

$6,560,203 at BOM, but subtract Mexico and New Zealand for $2,032,277.

$9,621,001 unique dollars international so far.


It's only $248k away from another raise, and it should get at least $80k on Thursday after getting $90k Wednesday. It will have a Domestic bump long before international numbers come in on Sunday. If not Friday than Saturday for sure.



Let me know if you can compile any compelling evidence that the budget for SoF was below $14 Million. Especially somewhere that you can verify actual recipts that people who invested on kickstarter were refunded their money plus extra. Hell... If there's actual proof of reciepts, who knows? Maybe the budget is only $12 Million and it's already in 1st place right now?

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