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Sunday, July 30, 2023 6:55 PM

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How you do anything is how you do everything.

The red-state backlash against electric vehicles is incoherent — and gaining steam

Republicans are trying to stymie the transition to EVs, but their motivations are a confusing mashup of anti-Biden posturing and grievance politics.

A few years ago, it was not uncommon to spot internal-combustion engine (ICE) vehicles deliberately parked in electric vehicle-only spots, usually near an EV charging station, effectively blocking access to that charger. It was an anti-social way for aggrieved gas-powered car owners to express contempt for these new vehicles.

Now a bunch of Republicans are taking the concept of “getting ICE’d” to the next logical conclusion. Not content to simply obstruct a parking spot, they are instead looking to stymie the growth of EVs through ill-considered policy decisions. Their reasons are varied: some are trying to protect the oil and gas industry, while others simply want to stick it to Joe Biden or “own the libs.” But they are part of a growing trend of red states that are, in essence, parking their big, gas-powered vehicles in the path of progress.

Republican lawmakers characterize EVs as a “misadventure” that will gobble up massive amounts of electric power and threaten the incumbent oil and gas industry, which employs thousands of workers. For a political party that purports to love freedom as much as they do, it’s a baffling position to actively seek to limit the purchasing choices of the American car buyer.

To be sure, there is little coherence to the backlash against EVs. It’s a melange of anti-Biden / anti-California posturing mixed with concern trolling over the environmental impact of mining for battery minerals (a real issue but less detrimental to the environment than the collective tailpipe emissions of all our cars), with a dash of grievance politics over “socialist” state governments dictating what kind of car you’re allowed to buy. Tucker Carlson hit all these points in a rambling segment last year, in which he called EVs “terrible for the environment”.

More at https://www.theverge.com/2023/1/19/23562259/red-state-ev-bill-wyoming-
virgina-youngkin


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, July 30, 2023 10:06 PM

Can We Sue Our Way Out of the Climate Crisis? (It worked with tobacco. )

By Mary Harris, July 30, 2023

It’s deceptively hard to get an answer to the question “How hot is it?” these days. But if you look closely, you’ll get the gist. In El Paso, Texas, they have clocked triple-digit temperatures for more than a month at this point. In Florida, it’s getting hot enough that coral reefs are dying. And in Las Vegas, the concrete sidewalks are a sizzling 144 degrees.

Dharna Noor knows all about the heat. She covers the climate for the Guardian. For her, this summer has felt both horrifying and inevitable. But Noor is particularly interested in climate solutions. And I called her up to talk about a tactic she’s seeing more and more these days—local municipalities, and even just individual people, taking climate change to court.

Sometimes, it’s people suing the government, trying to get it to regulate greenhouse gases better. Sometimes, it’s the government suing oil companies over their role in the climate disaster. And, sure, litigation is not new, but, Noor says, the broad implications of this litigation are.

“The new trend that we’ve seen explode over the past five years is this idea of holding somebody responsible for climate change itself. So, not the emissions from a particular coal-fired power plant or the emissions related to one specific highway,” Noor said, “but rather this idea that climate change itself has been created by specific actors.”

Worldwide, there are hundreds of these lawsuits. Can we sue our way out of the climate crisis? Probably not. But on a recent episode of What Next, we looked into why a heck of a lot of lawyers are trying. Our conversation has been condensed and edited for clarity.

More at https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/07/climate-change-solutions-l
awsuits-rico-big-oil-exxon-chevron-accountability.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, July 30, 2023 10:41 PM

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The red-state backlash against electric vehicles is incoherent — and gaining steam

Republicans are trying to stymie the transition to EVs, but their motivations are a confusing mashup of anti-Biden posturing and grievance politics.

A few years ago, it was not uncommon to spot internal-combustion engine (ICE) vehicles deliberately parked in electric vehicle-only spots, usually near an EV charging station, effectively blocking access to that charger. It was an anti-social way for aggrieved gas-powered car owners to express contempt for these new vehicles.



I've never even seen an EV charging station.

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How you do anything is how you do everything.

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Sunday, July 30, 2023 10:49 PM


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But hey! Before our thoughts get siloed into technical arcana ... What about that WAR in Ukraine??? And all that fuel being burned and all that materiel being made just to be destroyed?? Doesn't it seem like a profligate emission of greenhouse gases in an orgy of destruction? Bc it seems like every 'liberal' is all hot to trot to solve climate change, unless it's WAR!!! And then climate change can go to hell.

Seems like we need to be banging some Big Ideas together in our heads, ideas that generally don't get banged together. What is more important, war or climate change?\

SECOND: The last time Russia controlled Ukraine, Russians killed 4 million Ukrainians.

And then, Ukrainians and Russians live peaceabley together for 70 years, 30-35% of Ukrainians spoke Russian, and Ukrainians freely elected neutral or Pro-Russian Presidents over and over again!

Your brain is STUCK, SECOND! Look at us and Japan: We watonly nuked two big Japanese cities. Do they HATE us? Do they grind on endlessly, over and over, about our barbarity?

No. They're not stuck like YOU are. Or Germany. Or Europe as a whole: Germany and Italy were the two Axis powers, and France (and Poland, Sweden, Hungary, Spain and other European nations) either openly (Vichy France) or tacitly supported Nazism. We trounced the western front, and occupied them UNTIL TODAY. Do they hate us? Do they grind on and on and on and on with their historical grudge bc we killed thousands of their citizens and denied them their nazi governments? THEY DO NOT.

Ukrainians didn't either. It wasn't until the USA spent $5 BILLION dollars (per Vickie Nuland) sowing and feeding anti-Russian sentiment through its State Dept affiliated NGOs like AID and NED and their various spinoffs (from at least 2000), and drove a wedge into the heart of Ukraine. THEN ARMED UKRAINE TO THE TEETH to use it as a proxy gainst Russia.

You think it can't be done? LOOK AT THE USA TODAY. HOW MANY 'INTEREST GROUPS' HAVE WE BEEN FRACTURED INTO? WOMEN'S RIGHTS, BLM, ANTIFA, EXTENICTION REBELIION, LGBTQ+ etc etc.


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SECOND: And Russia stayed in the European countries it conquered during WWII
AND WE STAYED IN THE REMAINDER. How many bases have we had in Germany since then? How many in Italy? Spain? Greece? How many installations? How throughly are their politial parties and their media and security agencies infiltrated by the CIA?
Vver hear of Operation Gladio?

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SECOND: Signym, does that suggest why the European Union sends ammo to Ukraine?
I know why they did it: they are vassal states of the USA.

Most of this was economically driven. After WWII it was beneficial to be a NATO member state. The USA aided Germany directly thru the Marshall plan and indirectly to NATO members by 'taking care of' their defense spending. And of course the CIA and State Dept were busy removing all potentially pro-communist groups from Germany and Italy and taking over their media, especially in Germany. We blasted all of Europe with Rsio Free Europe. They had the imprssion that the streets here were paved with bold.
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Udo Ulfkotte reveals in his bestseller Bought Journalists, how he was “taught to lie, to betray and not to tell the truth to the public.”

The former editor of Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, which is one of Germany’s largest newspapers, was secretly on the payroll of the CIA and German secret service, spinning the news in a way that was positive for the United States and bad for its opponents.


And they're STILL doing it today! Coverage of Nordstream sabotage?? Nil! Coverage of the war in Ukraine and its antecendents? DELUSIONAL. German politics? INFILTRATED. The Green Party, formerly anti-war and pro-environment and pro-human, is now pro-war, pro-transnationalist and anti-human.

Anywho SECOND, if you could mange to stop grinding on and on about something which, in reality, has no bearing on today's eve

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Sunday, July 30, 2023 11:30 PM

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Anywho SECOND, if you could mange to stop grinding on and on about something which, in reality, has no bearing on today's events, maybe you could move into the real world.

I guess you missed that Putin denies that Holodomor happened and denies that the 4 million dead Ukrainians are Russia's fault. Ukrainians are very aware of Putin's false explanations for invading rather than him speaking about his true motivation: theft of land.
https://education.holodomor.ca/teaching-materials/holodomor-denial-sil
ences
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You missed that Russia stole Japanese islands at the end of WWII and Japan, even today, wants those islands returned. One more example of Russia's theft of land.
https://www.mofa.go.jp/region/europe/russia/territory/overview.html
https://www.csis.org/blogs/new-perspectives-asia/russias-militarizatio
n-kuril-islands


If the US left Okinawa then Japan would be very pleased. On the other hand, GOP congressmen would be very angry which is the same reason Guantanamo Bay Naval Base still holds prisoners and has not been returned to Cuba. For example, GOP Congressmen were very angry when the Panama Canal Zone was returned to Panama.
https://libguides.gwu.edu/okinawa/militarybases/maps
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban%E2%80%93American_Treaty_of_Relatio
ns_(1903)#Cuban_perspectives

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torrijos%E2%80%93Carter_Treaties#Critici
sm


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, July 31, 2023 12:23 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Anywho SECOND, if you could mange to stop grinding on and on about something which, in reality, has no bearing on today's events, maybe you could move into the real world.

I guess you missed that Putin denies that Holodomor happened and denies that the 4 million dead Ukrainians are Russia's fault. Ukrainians are very aware of Putin's false explanations for invading rather than him speaking about his true motivation: theft of land.
https://education.holodomor.ca/teaching-materials/holodomor-denial-sil
ences
/

You missed that Russia stole Japanese islands at the end of WWII and Japan, even today, wants those islands returned. One more example of Russia's theft of land.
https://www.mofa.go.jp/region/europe/russia/territory/overview.html
https://www.csis.org/blogs/new-perspectives-asia/russias-militarizatio
n-kuril-islands


If the US left Okinawa then Japan would be very pleased. On the other hand, GOP congressmen would be very angry which is the same reason Guantanamo Bay Naval Base still holds prisoners and has not been returned to Cuba. For example, GOP Congressmen were very angry when the Panama Canal Zone was returned to Panama.
https://libguides.gwu.edu/okinawa/militarybases/maps
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban%E2%80%93American_Treaty_of_Relatio
ns_(1903)#Cuban_perspectives

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torrijos%E2%80%93Carter_Treaties#Critici
sm


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

And if Putin "recognized" the Holdomor, what would that change? The people who committed it, and the immediate relatives of the victims, died decades ago. Yeah, ok, it happened. It should be acknowledged (altho it's not that anyone denies it happene, it's just whether or not it was technically 'genocide' since it wasn't aimed only at Ukrainians but at ALL land-owning farmers... but I digress).

I think you and the rest of the neocons... and their conditioned dupes and satraps... are the only ones who keep that laser focus on something that happened over 70 years ago bc it's such a convenient PROPAGANDA POINT.

It's like today's Jews ..Remember the Holocaust!. They create a permanent victim status that lets them get away with their current atrocities. How about. . REMEMBER THE PRESENT!

AND NOW BACK TO OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED TOPIC.


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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM


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Monday, July 31, 2023 12:41 AM

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And if Putin "recognized" the Holdomor, what would that change?

Russia doesn't even stop for Sundays -- Another threat to nuke the world:

If Ukraine’s ongoing counteroffensive against Moscow’s invasion captures Russian territory, there would be no alternative to using strategic nuclear weapons, Russia’s Dmitry Medvedev warned on Sunday. Strategic means nuking the US, just in case you missed the point, Signym. By the way, "captures Russian territory" means Ukraine recaptures Ukrainian territory that Russia happens to control this Sunday, Signym. Russians are very quick about claiming Ukrainian land as always being Russian land.

“There would simply be no other way out” of using nuclear weapons if the Ukrainian offensive succeeded in taking Russian territory, Medvedev, former Russian president and current National Security Council deputy chairman, said in a post on social media.

“Just imagine that the NATO-supported ukrobanderovtsy’s offensive turned out successful, and they took away a part of our land: Then we would have to, following the president’s degree of 02.06.2020, use the nuclear weapon,” Medvedev wrote, referring to followers of Stepan Bandera, a nationalist leader who waged a violent campaign for Ukrainian independence in the 1930s and 1940s.

“That’s why our enemies must worship our warriors. They are keeping global nuclear fire from flaring up,” Medvedev said, referring to Russian efforts to stop the Ukrainian offensive.

Medvedev has not been shy in using Russia’s nuclear arsenal to threaten Ukraine and its Western supporters. During Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin’s failed coup, Medvedev said the rebellion could lead to a nuclear war.

Before that, Medvedev had said that the war in Ukraine could be “brought to an end within a few days” by doing what “the Americans did in 1945 when they deployed nuclear weapons and bombed two Japanese cities, Hiroshima and Nagasaki.”

https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-dmitry-medvedev-ukraine-counter
offensive-russia-invasion-war-nuclear-weapons
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, July 31, 2023 12:48 AM

So maybe we shouldn't have armed Ukraine and pushed it to invade or destabilize Russia? Which was our plan all along.

This whole Ukraine war?

Strictly a creation of the USA neocons. SURELY you haven't forgotten all of YOUR slavering plans to regime change Russia, break it up ('decolonize') it and reap all of those resources that were 'unfairly' located in Russia???

You reap what you sow.

And now, if you could get off your delusional obsessions... RUSSIA! TRUMP! TRUMPTARDS! and stick with the topic?

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BTW, your obsessive hatred of the 'enemy du jour' is a GREAT example of why we will never solve climate change ... or avoid nuclear holocaust. Your obsessions trump real-world consequences.


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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM


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Monday, July 31, 2023 4:17 AM

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BTW, your obsessive hatred of the 'enemy du jour' is a GREAT example of why we will never solve climate change ... or avoid nuclear holocaust. Your obsessions trump real-world consequences.

Project 2025 is the GOP's blueprint for Climate Change.

In a summer of 110-degree heat waves and killer floods, GOPers draft a 2025 scheme to end all action on climate change.

While you were turning up the air-conditioning or trying to find an open city pool, the brain trust of the conservative movement were spending $22 million to craft a 950-page plan called Project 2025 that (among other things) is a blueprint for unconditional surrender in the war on climate change. The scheme drafted by the Heritage Foundation and other think tanks that have guided GOP administrations since Ronald Reagan wouldn’t just halt the desperately needed transition to clean energy and electric cars, but restore the unchecked hegemony of burning fossil fuels.
https://www.eenews.net/articles/battle-plan-how-the-far-right-would-di
smantle-climate-programs
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Some specifics:

• Blocking the expansion of the electrical grid to accommodate clean energy sources like wind and solar.

• Eliminating three offices within the Department of Energy promoting the renewable power transition.

• Wiping out funding for environmental justice work in the U.S. Department of Environmental Protection.

• Massive growth of the natural gas infrastructure such as pipelines.

• Ensuring that no other states win approval for the kind of strict electric car guidelines being implemented in California.

• The EPA and other key agencies would be radically downsized and placed under the care of right-wing pro-fossil fuel zealots.

• It even includes restrictions on new scientific research.

The conservatives behind Project 2025 aren’t shy about touting the radical, reactionary nature of their environmental blueprint.

“Project 2025 is not a white paper. We are not tinkering at the edges. We are writing a battle plan, and we are marshaling our forces,” Paul Dans, the Project 2025 director with the Heritage Foundation, told Politico’s E&E News. “Never before has the whole conservative movement banded together to systematically prepare to take power day one and deconstruct the administrative state.”

Genevieve Guenther, a scientist who founded the organization End Climate Silence, agreed with one aspect of Project 2025 — that it is, indeed, a battle plan, and a wakeup call for people on the other side who want action on the warming planet. “The war being waged is against our children’s future, she posted on the former Twitter now known as X, adding: “Elections matter!”

More at https://web.archive.org/web/20230730215823/https://www.inquirer.com/op
inion/commentary/project-2025-gop-plan-climate-change-20230730.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, July 31, 2023 4:54 AM

Stop bagging on the GOP. Nobody here is claiming the GOP has a brilliant approach. Their plan suckS. So does the DNC's. Does it really matter that the GOP plan sucks when both parties are off by orders of magnitude bc they refuse to touch one of our many third rails?

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM


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