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And HOW will these batteries be charged? Bc if you're using coal-fired plants, all you'll have is a coal-fired car.
That's what I don' get about the whole EV thing... normally smart people treat the battery as if it's a source of energy, but in reality it's just temporary storage.
SECOND::I have a 5-year contract with Shell Energy.
Where does Shell get the electricity? The Sun. Not from Coal.
Bully for you.
So, OOC what is the greenhouse gas cost of making solar cells and all of those lithium batteries? Is that a net negative or positive?
You claim to have been an engineer? HA!
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Let's not forget that we already have grid shortages in states that are forcing coal burning cars and they refuse to build any nuclear plants to feed them.
What do you suppose will happen when even just 1 Million more of these things are on the road, let alone 10 Million or 100 Million.
Early adopter jagoffs who are paying huge bucks for experimental technology that will fail early and often on them get to brag about 5 years of "free" magic electricity in their contracts. They'll also have no ability to sell the car to anybody unless that person is extremely stupid like the original buyer was, since replacing the car battery will cost $25k to $30k compared to $100 to $200 for a car battery in actual cars.
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Quote:You missed the part where they are building enough green power plants to double the electric generation capacity of the US:
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Let's not forget that we already have grid shortages in states that are forcing coal burning cars and they refuse to build any nuclear plants to feed them.
What do you suppose will happen when even just 1 Million more of these things are on the road, let alone 10 Million or 100 Million.
There are over 2,000 gigawatts of proposed U.S. solar, wind and battery storage projects seeking to come online through what’s known as the interconnection process, according to Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory. That’s greater than the electric capacity of all of the power plants already on the nation’s grid today. Too bad about all the Republican-owned coal-burning power plants that will be forced into shutdown by the excess capacity of cheaper electricity.
The sheer volume of proposed projects has overwhelmed the longstanding grid connection process. It took an average of five years for new electricity projects that were built last year to be studied and approved for connection, compared to less than two years in 2008, Berkeley Lab has estimated.
Clean energy developers say the grid connection process has become a major impediment to meeting states’ renewable energy policies and realizing the goals of last year’s Inflation Reduction Act. "Every single Republican in Congress voted against the Inflation Reduction Act" because Climate Change Is A Chinese Hoax. Instead, Republicans wanted Trump's Trillion Trees. https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1582491715772071936?lang=en
Quote:You also missed the story that Tesla has been a fraudulent EV manufacturer from the very start.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Early adopter jagoffs who are paying huge bucks for experimental technology that will fail early and often on them get to brag about 5 years of "free" magic electricity in their contracts. They'll also have no ability to sell the car to anybody unless that person is extremely stupid like the original buyer was, since replacing the car battery will cost $25k to $30k compared to $100 to $200 for a car battery in actual cars.
https://www.google.com/search?q=tesla+battery+fraud
But being a fraud has worked well for Tesla owner Elon Musk. The total stock market value of Tesla was more than that of all other auto companies combined. Tesla’s Market Cap (Gigantic) v. Next 10 Automakers v. Tesla’s Global Market Share (Minuscule)
https://wolfstreet.com/2021/10/26/teslas-market-cap-gigantic-v-next-10
-automakers-v-teslas-global-market-share-minuscule/
Eventually, the stock market will understand that Musk and Tesla are frauds. That does not mean EVs are.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Originally posted by second:Quote:You missed the part where they are building enough green power plants to double the electric generation capacity of the US:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Let's not forget that we already have grid shortages in states that are forcing coal burning cars and they refuse to build any nuclear plants to feed them.
What do you suppose will happen when even just 1 Million more of these things are on the road, let alone 10 Million or 100 Million.
No. I didn't miss that lie.
Regardless...
Even in the alternate timeline where that lie was true, you use more electricity charging your car every month than I do for everything I use electricity for in a month, not including the additional use during summer for A/C. Twice as much capacity will not be nearly enough, and the more of you idiots out there charging your cars up on coal, the higher people who use electricity for just basic living things in their home will have to pay for that electricity to subsidize your addiction.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Bully for you.
So, OOC what is the greenhouse gas cost of making solar cells and all of those lithium batteries? Is that a net negative or positive?
You claim to have been an engineer? HA!
SECOND: Oh my goodness! The Cost! The Cost!
Yes indeed! Let's not concern ouselves with whether what we're doing or proposing WILL WORK! Just as long as SECOND can virtue signal to try to justify his carbon-wasting existence and investments! HEY SECOND, HOW'S THAT OIL BARONY AND PRIVATE JET OF YOURS?
Quote:And let's grossly lie about my posts so you can present a FALSE DILEMMA!
SECOND: a trillion trees, your favorite cost-free project
A) Reforesting is just ONE weapon in the arsenal to fight climate change (including solar and switching from coal and oil to natgas)
B) AND it's not cost-free, but - UNLIKE EV- it doesn't have a lot of follow-on environmentally destructive consequences from mining, refining, and production; and questionable greenhouse gas emission reductions.
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SECOND: The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission approved a major new rule Thursday to accelerate the connection of energy projects to the power grid, a move that could ease widespread delays stifling renewable energy.
There are over 2,000 gigawatts of proposed U.S. solar, wind and battery storage projects seeking to come online through what’s known as the interconnection process, according to Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory. That’s greater than the electric capacity of all of the power plants already on the nation’s grid today. Too bad about all the Republican-owned coal-burning power plants that will be forced into shutdown by the excess capacity of cheaper electricity.
Good news? I'll believe it when I see it! The biggest problem with solar and wind is that it is intermittant . Which means you need ginormous energy storage capacity to power thru those dead times, like what happened to Britain for 10 days when the sun didn't shine AND the wind didn't blow.
You claim to have been an engineer?
Engineers are supposed to design for failure.
HA!
You just like to ride your EV-powered hobby-horse!
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Quote:You made one good point which this article backs with some numbers:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
B) AND it's not cost-free, but - UNLIKE EV- it doesn't have a lot of follow-on environmentally destructive consequences from mining, refining, and production; and questionable greenhouse gas emission reductions.
We Need More Hybrid Cars and Fewer EVs. Here’s Why
https://www.thedrive.com/features/toyota-is-right-we-need-more-hybrid-
cars-and-fewer-evs-heres-why
So far, the government has favored the shiny, hype-driven solution of fast-tracking EV adoption, when the math suggests that’s suboptimal—at least for the short and medium term. If anything, it’s probably fair to say the over-emphasis on EVs is slowing the decarbonization of the auto industry for the time being. We can’t afford to overlook the role hybrids have to play here and now in favor of a far-flung future where every car on the road is pure electric.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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As the world confronts the reality of the climate crisis, the GOP remains stuck in denial
Republican climate deniers are quick to dismiss the dire impacts.
“There is a very scientific word for this: It’s called summer,” Sen. Tommy Tuberville (R-Ala.) told HuffPost when asked about the heat on Thursday. “It’s no hotter right now than it’s ever been. I’ve been in this heat all my life in July and August as a football coach. This world’s not heating up, come on.”
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/climate-change-heat-republicans_n_64c3c
5bfe4b024f8ebc870f5
Right-wing groups recently crafted a 920-page “battle plan” — dubbed Project 2025 — to guide a future Republican administration in dismantling environmental regulations and stymying federal climate action.
https://www.eenews.net/articles/battle-plan-how-the-far-right-would-di
smantle-climate-programs/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Originally posted by second:Quote:You made one good point which this article backs with some numbers:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
B) AND it's not cost-free, but - UNLIKE EV- it doesn't have a lot of follow-on environmentally destructive consequences from mining, refining, and production; and questionable greenhouse gas emission reductions.
We Need More Hybrid Cars and Fewer EVs. Here’s Why
https://www.thedrive.com/features/toyota-is-right-we-need-more-hybrid-
cars-and-fewer-evs-heres-why
So far, the government has favored the shiny, hype-driven solution of fast-tracking EV adoption, when the math suggests that’s suboptimal—at least for the short and medium term. If anything, it’s probably fair to say the over-emphasis on EVs is slowing the decarbonization of the auto industry for the time being. We can’t afford to overlook the role hybrids have to play here and now in favor of a far-flung future where every car on the road is pure electric.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
No shit, Sherlock. The most effective way of decarbonizing transportation is to
a) switch to natgas instead of gasoline. That way instead of burning appx two hydrogens per carbon you'll burn four hydrogens per carbon, and
b) burn the natgas to run a generator to charge a battery. That way the engine can run efficiently at constant RPMs and the electric motor can make use of regenerative braking.
But hey! Before our thoughts get siloed into technical arcana ... What about that WAR in Ukraine??? And all that fuel being burned and all that materiel being made just to be destroyed?? Doesn't it seem like a profligate emission of greenhouse gases in an orgy of destruction? Bc it seems like every 'liberal' is all hot to trot to solve climate change, unless it's WAR!!! And then climate change can go to hell.
Seems like we need to be banging some Big Ideas together in our heads, ideas that generally don't get banged together. What is more important, war or climate change?
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Quote:The last time Russia controlled Ukraine, Russians killed 4 million Ukrainians. Signym, does that suggest why Ukraine didn't immediately surrender when Russia invaded?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
But hey! Before our thoughts get siloed into technical arcana ... What about that WAR in Ukraine??? And all that fuel being burned and all that materiel being made just to be destroyed?? Doesn't it seem like a profligate emission of greenhouse gases in an orgy of destruction? Bc it seems like every 'liberal' is all hot to trot to solve climate change, unless it's WAR!!! And then climate change can go to hell.
Seems like we need to be banging some Big Ideas together in our heads, ideas that generally don't get banged together. What is more important, war or climate change?
And Russia stayed in the European countries it conquered during WWII until the collapse of the Soviet Union. Signym, does that suggest why the European Union sends ammo to Ukraine?
And Russia threatened to nuke the UK and USA only yesterday. Signym, does that suggest why the UK and USA send ammo to Ukraine?
Because the Ukrainian War didn't end with a quick surrender, the world is going green instead of continuing to burn Russian fossil fuel:
Why the war in Ukraine is pushing Europe’s militaries to decarbonize
https://www.politico.eu/article/war-ukraine-push-europe-militaries-dec
arbonize-fossil-fuels/
Putin the Green? The Unintended Consequences of Russia’s Energy War on Europe
https://www.fpri.org/article/2023/02/putin-the-green-the-unintended-co
nsequences-of-russias-energy-war-on-europe/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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In the first half of 2023, Toyota Motor North America sold a total of 270,476 EVs, including hybrids, which make up 26% of the company’s total sales volume. June saw 51,535 EVs sold, making up 26.4% of monthly sales
https://www.torquenews.com/8113/toyotas-impressive-2023-electrified-ve
hicle-sales-showcase-consumer-shift
Toyota recently announced plans for an EV with a 900-mile range after just 10 minutes of charging. Toyota claims it has made a breakthrough in solid-state battery manufacturing that will actually make this product easier to produce than lithium batteries.
https://www.thecooldown.com/green-tech/solid-state-battery-toyota-ev-r
ange/
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