Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
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Your figures are bullshit, SECOND, and I know that bc they contradict OTHER figures that you've posted.
Go fuck yourself, troll.
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Quote:One would think that in the early, dark days of the war when it looked like Moscow would fall, when every able-bodied person was needed for the defense and war effort, millions of prisoners would have been released from the camps. Some in fact were released, many to be put in expendable penal battalions. Such battalions, untrained and often unarmed, sometimes without camouflaged uniforms so as to draw fire, were hurled in waves against Nazi positions, while NKVD troops would be behind them with machine guns ready to fire on those who hesitated or retreated. These former prisoners were also forced to clear mine fields by walking through them. When the head of the Soviet Military Mission in Britain, General Ratov, was offered British mine detectors, he declined, explaining that “in the Soviet Union we use people.”29
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Your figures are bullshit, SECOND, and I know that bc they contradict OTHER figures that you've posted.
Go fuck yourself, troll.
The population of the camps may have decreased in the early days of the war, from an estimated 10,000,000 prisoners in 1941 to 9,000,000 in 1942 (see appendix 7.1). But that would be only because the inflow to the camps, which continued in a broad stream, was insufficient to cover those prisoners who were killed—probably 2,000,000 in 1941 and 3,400,000 in 1942. In 1943, when the war effort was not as bleak, but the outcome still could have gone either way, the camp population actually appears to have increased to a likely 11,200,000.30 And during the whole war, the number of these unfortunates who were usually guilty of nothing, who were dying a slow, miserable, death in the camps, may have reached 15,000,000.31 Even this figure may be too conservative. Says Kravchenko about 1942 alone:
In official circles twenty millions became the accepted estimate of this labor reservoir (of prisoners). The estimate did not include the boys and girls from 14 to 16 forcibly torn away from their parents and assigned to regions and industries in which manpower shortages were sharpest.32
As before the war, these camp prisoners were used as slave labor. They were auctioned and sold, their bodies contracted for as though so much machinery. Kravchenko also gives us a feel for this:
I recall vividly an interview which I arranged . . . with one of the top administrators of GULAG. He was to supply a certain commissariat some hundreds of prisoners for a rush assignment. We were under terrific pressure . . . and I had summoned the GULAG official for a showdown on this manpower.
“But Comrade Kravchenko, be reasonable,” he interrupted my speech. “After all, your Sovnarkom is not the only one howling for workers. The State Defense Committee needs them. Comrade Mikoyan makes life miserable for us, Malenkov and Vosnessensky need workers, Voroshilov is calling for road builders. Naturally everyone thinks his own job is the most important. What are we to do? The fact is we haven't as yet fulfilled our plans for imprisonments. Demand is greater than supply.”33
During the war, the camp regime was especially severe, increasing markedly the camp death rate. For example, out of 50,000 prisoners at the railroad camp of Pechorlag in the fall of 1941, there were 10,000 left alive the following spring; out of 50 people in the central sector barracks of Burepolom Camp in February 1943, at least four died a night, and one night twelve died (in the morning the dead would be replaced).34 Moreover, special categories of enemies were massacred periodically throughout the camps, such as the shooting in every camp of all former and actual Trotskyites in 1942.35 Moreover, camp administrators and guards were constantly on watch for ways to justify their exemption from duty at the front—“plots” and “conspiracies” among prisoners were regularly “discovered,” usually resulting in batches of prisoners being shot.
From the book Lethal Politics: Soviet Genocide and Mass Murder since 1917 by R. J. Rummel
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When you contradict yourself every other post, why should I take this one any more seriously than your previous 3,000+ bullshit posts?
You habit of lying has more than caught up with you. You'd have to post the real honest truth (something you're completely unfamiliar with) for the next five YEARS in order to rehabilitate your reputation, troll.
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Quote:Signym, the contradiction is between the story Russians tell themselves in 2023 and the truth about Russians in WWII:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
When you contradict yourself every other post, why should I take this one any more seriously than your previous 3,000+ bullshit posts?
You habit of lying has more than caught up with you. You'd have to post the real honest truth (something you're completely unfamiliar with) for the next five YEARS in order to rehabilitate your reputation, troll.
How many died under these wartime conditions in the camps? Tolstoy says that one “former prisoner, who with his comrades conducted a rough-and-ready estimate, reckoned that seven million gulag inmates were slaughtered in the first year of the war.”39 Although Tolstoy believes that this need not be an exaggeration, a more prudent estimate of the total murdered in transit to or in the camps during the whole war period is 8,518,000 Soviet citizens (see appendix 7.1).
What irony, indeed. The democracies fought alongside the Soviet Union to eradicate the horror of fascism from the world. And afterwards, the democracies shook their collective head over the documented mass, inhuman murder of Jews and heaved a sigh of relief and thankfulness that this abominable Nazi system was utterly defeated. Yet, the democracies’ major ally and a victor sitting in judgment with them at the Nuremberg trials was, during that very war, murdering more innocent people just in their labor camps than the Nazis were machine gunning in the gullies and gassing in their concentration camps.
Then there were the Soviet deportations. Whole cultural, ethnic, and linguistically homogeneous nations of suspect loyalty were deported. Naturally, all German-Soviets were not trusted, no matter if they had lived in the Soviet Union for generations or had been heroes in the Red Army. In August 1941, the loyalty of the Volga Germans was tested by parachuting men in Nazi uniforms from planes with Nazi markings among villages. They asked to be hidden until the Nazi Army came. If the villagers complied, the village was immediately liquidated.40 But even when villagers reported the parachutists, their reprieve was short anyway. They were all eventually deported, whether their sons were at the front fighting or they were loyal party members. In total about 412,000 Volga Germans,41 with perhaps another 400,000 or more ethnic Germans from other parts of the European Soviet Union,42 were whisked away.
Their deportation was less harsh than that of many other nations, such as the Crimean Tatars. The Germans often had several days’ warning, and sometimes they were seen off at the stations by friends of other nationalities. Still, the Volga Germans were packed forty to sixty to a cattle car for many days and sometimes weeks; among those who had to cross the Central Asian deserts, many died from lack of water. Most deportees were transported to Siberia and Northern Kazakstan.43
Also, those nations that had presumably “cooperated” or “collaborated” (by party definition) with the occupying Nazi forces, or that might do so, had to go. Even minorities living in sensitive areas were deported, although, as Khrushchev later admitted, at the time there was no military necessity to do so, since the Nazis were already being forced to retreat.44 Thus, the party deported to the inhospitable far reaches of the country not only all German-Soviets, but also Greek-Soviets, Chechens, Ingushi, Karachai, Balkars, Kalmyks, Crimean Tatars, and Meskhetians—nine entire nations. No one was excepted, not even deputies to the Supreme Soviet.45 As to how some of these deportations were carried out, we have the following account regarding the Chechens:
NKVD units, dressed as ordinary troops, entered the republic in early February 1944, as if for manoeuvers. The population was assembled in the villages on the evening of 22 February 1944, to celebrate Red Army Day. They were surrounded by troops and the deportation decree was read to them by security
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The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) appears to have deprioritized the Bakhmut offensive in favor of preparing to defend against an anticipated Ukrainian counteroffensive, putting the Wagner Group and Wagner financier Yevgeny Prigozhin in a potentially difficult position. Prigozhin released a series of videos on May 4 and 5 announcing that Wagner will withdraw from Bakhmut on May 10 unless Wagner receives necessary supplies and launched particularly acerbic and emotional attacks against Chief of the Russian General Staff Army General Valery Gerasimov, Russian Minister of Defense Sergei Shoigu, and the Russian MoD establishment writ large.[1] Prigozhin’s palpable desperation in the videos, one of which shows the corpses of recently deceased Wagner fighters, marks a significant rhetorical inflection in his continued pleas for increased Russian MoD support for Wagner in Bakhmut. His visible and visceral anger suggests that the Russian MoD has likely deprioritized Bakhmut and shifted operational focus elsewhere in the theater in ways that may seriously compromise Wagner’s ability to operate effectively. Wagner has not ceased efforts to completely capture Bakhmut despite reduced access to ammunition and other necessary supplies, however. Prigozhin has shown no willingness to switch to the defensive within the city.
Wagner’s continued persistence within Bakhmut is incongruent with the overall slow-down in the pace of Russian offensive operations elsewhere in Ukraine as conventional Russian forces appear to be largely shifting focus to prepare to receive the much-anticipated Ukrainian counteroffensive.[2] Aside from very limited and localized attacks in the Kreminna area and near Donetsk City, Russian forces have largely ceased offensive operations throughout the theater, likely signifying a transition to the defensive.[3] It would be an operationally sound decision for the Russian MoD to begin withholding and stockpiling ammunition and supplies in order to prepare for any Ukrainian counteroffensive actions, and Prigozhin’s desperate statements indicate that the Russian MoD is likely doing so. ISW has recently reported that Prigozhin began appealing to the Russian MoD to provide Wagner with necessary ammunition once again after a brief period during which it seemed that relations between Prigozhin and Russian military leadership had improved.[4] Prigozhin’s renewed anger reached its peak in the May 4 video of Prigozhin essentially screaming at Gerasimov and Shoigu and accusing them of the deaths of Wagner fighters.[5]
The losses suffered by Wagner in Bakhmut, alongside the likely de-prioritization of the Bakhmut effort by the Russian MoD, may leave Prigozhin and Wagner in a particularly bad spot. It is not immediately clear whether Prigozhin actually intends to withdraw from Bakhmut on May 10 or whether he made the announcement in a last-ditch attempt to secure MoD support. If Wagner does withdraw, then it will likely need Russian MoD equipment to protect and facilitate the retrograde. The Russian military lacks the reserves needed to man positions Wagner might abandon in Bakhmut, moreover. The massive losses suffered by Wagner in Bakhmut for the sake of tactical gains, as well as the overall shift of the Russian military towards a more cautious posture preparing for defensive operations, appears to be offering Ukrainian forces opportunities for fruitful counterattacks in various areas of the front. Ukrainian forces appear to be seizing some of these opportunities, as noted below, but ISW does not assess that these counterattacks are necessarily part of the anticipated counteroffensive.
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-may-5-2023
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What? You won't change your citizenship to Russian? Then lose your house and be deported to Russia for slave labor. If you refuse to work, Russia refuses to feed you:
Ukrainians in Starobilsk are evicted from their homes and sent to filtration centres for not accepting Russian passports
The General Staff notes that the Russians usually come to people’s homes no more than twice. The third time they come, the people and their belongings are forcibly thrown into the street.
After being evicted, such citizens are taken to filtration centres and their homes are given to servicemen of the Russian occupation army for accommodation.
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/05/6/7400934/
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The major developments in human history are always steeped in dark ironies. Taking WWII as the archetypal example, let's enumerate just the more obvious ones:
» After the carnage of WWI, many of the world's most sensitive and thoughtful people learned the lesson that they should oppose war at any cost. This attitude let Germany rearm and set the stage for WWII.
» Hitler, who was neither tall nor blond, wished to establish the worldwide domination of tall, blond Aryans ... and do so via an alliance with the Japanese, also neither tall nor blond.
» The Nazis touted the dream of eugenically perfecting the human race, then perpetrated genocide against a tiny group that had produced Einstein, von Neumann, Wigner, Ulam, and Tarski.
» The Jews were murdered using a chemical — Zyklon B — developed in part by the Jewish chemist Fritz Haber.
» The Allied force that made the greatest sacrifice in lives to defeat Hitler was Stalin's USSR, another of history's most murderous and horrifying regimes.
» The man who rallied the free world to defeat Nazism, Winston Churchill, was himself a racist colonialist, whose views would be (and regularly are) denounced as "Nazi" on modern college campuses.
» The WWII legacy that would go on to threaten humanity's existence — the Bomb — was created in what the scientists believed was a desperate race to save humanity. Then Hitler was defeated before the Bomb was ready, and it turned out the Nazis were never even close to building their own Bomb, and the Bomb was used instead against Japan.
More at https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=7278
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• Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin and Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov may have compelled the Russian theater commander in Ukraine, Army General Valery Gerasimov, to resume artillery ammunition distribution to Wagner forces in Bakhmut despite Gerasimov’s desired de-prioritization of that effort.
• Kadyrov’s threats to transfer his forces to Bakhmut may have blackmailed the Russian military command into allocating ammunition to Wagner mercenaries.
• Kadyrov likely supported Wagner’s blackmail efforts against the Russian military command to reestablish his position within the circle of power of the Kremlin.
• Gerasimov's apparent need to negotiate with subordinate commanders and those commanders’ ability to force his hand suggests that chain of command problems are significantly impacting the Russian military's ability to conduct coherent theater-wide operations.
• These events raise questions about Russia’s ability to coordinate a coherent theaterwide defensive campaign.
• Prigozhin’s and Kadyrov’s ability to significantly influence Russian military command decisions relies on Putin’s willingness to appease them and his reliance on their forces - both of which will likely degrade after further blackmail efforts.
• Prigozhin’s continued fight to complete the capture of Bakhmut contradicts his consistent narrative that capturing Bakhmut lacks strategic value.
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-may-7-2023
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Quote:Wrong. War reparations on Germany crumbled the German economy, leading to hyperinflation and a mass-revolt against international sanctions, and towards an alternative path. Communism and Hilterlism (National Socialism) were runnng neck-and-neck until Hilter uncorked his dirty tricks.
Originally posted by second:
The major developments in human history are always steeped in dark ironies. Taking WWII as the archetypal example, let's enumerate just the more obvious ones:
» After the carnage of WWI, many of the world's most sensitive and thoughtful people learned the lesson that they should oppose war at any cost. This attitude let Germany rearm and set the stage for WWII.
Also, America's oil embargo against Japan, which critically starved the Japanese economy, led to Japan's atttack on Pearl Harbor.
Quote:Also...bankers.
The Nazis touted the dream of eugenically perfecting the human race, then perpetrated genocide against a tiny group that had produced Einstein, von Neumann, Wigner, Ulam, and Tarski.
Quote:NEr... I think we can count Britain and its endlss imperial rape of most of the world up there with murderous regimes.
The Allied force that made the greatest sacrifice in lives to defeat Hitler was Stalin's USSR, another of history's most murderous and horrifying regimes.
Quote:He was. He was also a military failure in his preious wartime experience. He wasn't fighting "racism" tho, he was fighting for Britain's survival.
The man who rallied the free world to defeat Nazism, Winston Churchill, was himself a racist colonialist, whose views would be (and regularly are) denounced as "Nazi" on modern college campuses.
Quote:Of all of the arguments for the using the bomb against Japan ... it caused the Japanese to surrender, shortened the war etc. turned out not to be the case, since Japan was already close to surrendering and the USA knew it. The reason was probably to stop the USSR from storming thru the east in an end-of-war opportunistic push. Even then, The USSR wrested Mongolia and other far east ares from Japan's hands
The WWII legacy that would go on to threaten humanity's existence — the Bomb — was created in what the scientists believed was a desperate race to save humanity. Then Hitler was defeated before the Bomb was ready, and it turned out the Nazis were never even close to building their own Bomb, and the Bomb was used instead against Japan
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Japanese_War
They're only ironies if you look at history with an extrenely narrow scope and refuse to look at actual causes.
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Quote:Hyper-inflation was NOT caused by reparations. The only way to force Germany to pay reparations would be for France to invade Germany, maintain the occupation, and take control of German taxation for many years, redirecting tax money to France. France would not have done that. And there is no alternative way to force a country to pay. Russia knows this very well, which is why it freely destroys Ukrainian property. Russia knows it will never pay unless Russia is invaded, then continuously occupied by the invaders, who then tax Russia for many years to pay for the damages to Ukraine. That is no more likely to happen than France invading Germany in 1922 to force Germany to pay.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Wrong. War reparations on Germany crumbled the German economy, leading to hyperinflation and a mass-revolt against international sanctions, and towards an alternative path. Communism and Hilterlism (National Socialism) were runnng neck-and-neck until Hilter uncorked his dirty tricks.
Originally posted by second:
The major developments in human history are always steeped in dark ironies. Taking WWII as the archetypal example, let's enumerate just the more obvious ones:
» After the carnage of WWI, many of the world's most sensitive and thoughtful people learned the lesson that they should oppose war at any cost. This attitude let Germany rearm and set the stage for WWII.
Sensibly, Germany could have refused to pay the reparation debt, but the government behaved ridiculously: The Weimar government was still in a position to get a grip on the economy; instead, it chose to print yet more money in order to pay the reparation debt. By July 1922 prices had risen by some 700 percent, and hyperinflation had arrived. The government had to print million-mark notes, then billion-mark notes. It was a stupid thing for the German government to do. I can see why someone with only a little more common sense (Hitler) was able to come to power when the so-called better Germans were acting financially like morons and fools.
Quote:The attack on Pearl Harbor did NOT end the oil embargo. It just made things more difficult for Japan, not better. But the dimwits running Japan couldn't understand that, could they? The Japanese believed back then the way Russians believe today, that war leads to prosperity.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Also, America's oil embargo against Japan, which critically starved the Japanese economy, led to Japan's atttack on Pearl Harbor.
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