Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Which is why it's such a shame that the USA and EU forced a coup in 2014 and polarized society.
Don't forget, a majority of Ukrainians voted for Yanukovich, too.

KRA2PO: Another bad take. As you point out, in 2010, 49% of Ukrainians voted in a pro-Russian president. But in the 2019 elections only 16% of Ukrainians voted for pro-Russian candidates.

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LINK???

You carefully massage your messages to mean the opposite of what happened. Now I happen to remember that election, and one of the things that Zelenskiy ran AND WON ON was that he was Russian-speaking from central Ukraine, and promised peace and unity with Russian-speaking Ukraine. Even wikipedia... wikipedia, for god's sake, the notoriously pro-establishment "open source" website, knows about it

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He has positioned himself as an anti-establishment and anti-corruption figure. As president, Zelenskyy has been a proponent of e-government and of unity between the Ukrainian and Russian speaking parts of the country's population... During his presidential campaign, Zelenskyy promised to end Ukraine's protracted conflict with Russia, and he has attempted to engage in dialogue with Russian president Vladimir Putin.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volodymyr_Zelenskyy

He also promised a strong anti-corruption, populist program, but like most politicians he promised one agenda and delivered another.

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Ukrainians polarised by the 2014 revolution? No, the opposite.

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Ukrainians have never been more united in their desire for freedom and separation from Russia.

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And where do Ukrainians stand now, in 2022?

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Nearly 90% of Ukrainians oppose territorial concessions to Russia - poll
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/nearly-90-ukrainians-oppose-terri
torial-concessions-russia-poll-2022-09-15/

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Yeah, if you only poll Ukrainians on the Kiev side of the front ... which is what happened... and skew your polling to focus on people who agree with you, especially since Kiev has canceled all political opposition and has the state security apparatus to back that up, you will get the most skewed of skewed polls.

You're just a paid political propagandist. Unlike THUGR, who mindlessly and enthusiastically supports whatever he's told to support, and SECOND, who spews incoherently, YOU are vey carful with insinuations and words. A real paid operative if there ever was one.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, daring people to insurrection?

Tsk tsk

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For the first known time in public, Putin calls fighting in Ukraine a ‘war’

“Our goal is not to spin the flywheel of military conflict, but, on the contrary, to end this war,” Putin told reporters in Moscow, after attending a State Council meeting on youth policy.

Putin’s critics say that using the word “war” to describe the Ukraine conflict has effectively been illegal in Russia since March, when the Russian leader signed a censorship law that makes it a crime.

Nikita Yuferev, a municipal lawmaker from St. Petersburg who fled Russia due to his antiwar stance, on Thursday said he had asked Russian authorities to prosecute Putin for “spreading fake information about the army.”

“There was no decree to end the special military operation, no war was declared,” Yuferev wrote on Twitter. “Several thousand people have already been condemned for such words about the war.”

A US official told CNN their initial assessment was that Putin’s remark was not intentional and likely a slip of the tongue. However, officials will be watching closely to see what figures inside the Kremlin say about it in the coming days.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/22/europe/putin-uses-word-war-fighting-ukr
aine-russia-intl-hnk/index.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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SECOND, SPEWING INCOHERENTLY.

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North Korea has delivered arms to Russia's private military group Wagner

The group, which is independent of the Russian defense establishment and is leading a bloody siege of Bakhmut, Ukraine, is spending more than $100 million each month on its Ukraine operations.

Wagner is emerging as a rival power center to the Russian military and other Russian ministries.

The mercenary-like army has been carrying out operations — ostensibly private but implicitly approved by the Kremlin — in Syria, Libya, Sudan, the Central African Republic and other countries in Africa. 

In Ukraine, the group has served as an elite special forces-type operation that has better training, equipment and supplies than the mainstream Russian military.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/12/22/tatarstan-deputies-reject-kr
emlin-attempt-to-bring-region-to-heel-a79778

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I did not have any idea just how good the Democrats got at stealing elections through en masse mail-in fraud voting and unverifiable mass drop box ballot harvesting. Something you're going to regret cheerleading in 2024 now that Republicans have made it fully known that rather than trying to fight these things they are now just going to cheat better than Democrats do (which is something you always say they do anyhow, right?)

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Cool, cool. Your righteous determination to destroy democracy is not at all reminiscent of 1930s Germany.

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Originally posted by K2PO:

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I did not have any idea just how good the Democrats got at stealing elections through en masse mail-in fraud voting and unverifiable mass drop box ballot harvesting. Something you're going to regret cheerleading in 2024 now that Republicans have made it fully known that rather than trying to fight these things they are now just going to cheat better than Democrats do (which is something you always say they do anyhow, right?)

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Cool, cool. Your righteous determination to destroy democracy is not at all reminiscent of 1930s Germany.

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That reminded me of an article written before the war started:

February 3, 2022 - The Reason Putin Would Risk War

He is threatening to invade Ukraine because he wants democracy to fail — and not just in that country.

Why would Russia’s president, Vladimir Putin, attack a neighboring country that has not provoked him? Why would he risk the blood of his own soldiers? Why would he risk sanctions, and perhaps an economic crisis, as a result? Why is he playing this elaborate game?

Ukraine has extraordinary significance to Putin. Ukraine matters because it has tried — struggled, really — to join the world of prosperous Western democracies. Ukraine has staged not one but two pro-democracy, anti-oligarchy, anti-corruption revolutions in the past two decades. The most recent, in 2014, was particularly terrifying for the Kremlin. Young Ukrainians were chanting anti-corruption slogans, just like the Russian opposition does, and waving European Union flags. These protesters were inspired by the same ideals that Putin hates at home and seeks to overturn abroad. After Ukraine’s profoundly corrupt, pro-Russian president fled the country in February 2014, Ukrainian television began showing pictures of his palace, complete with gold taps, fountains, and statues in the yard — exactly the kind of palace Putin inhabits in Russia. Indeed, we know he inhabits such a palace because one of the videos produced by Navalny has already shown us pictures of it, along with its private ice-hockey rink and its hookah bar.

Putin’s subsequent invasion of Crimea punished Ukrainians for trying to escape from the kleptocratic system that he wanted them to live in — and it showed Putin’s own subjects that they too would pay a high cost for democratic revolution.

To explain why requires some history, but not the semi-mythological, faux-medieval history Putin has used in the past to declare that Ukraine is not a country, or that its existence is an accident, or that its sense of nationhood is not real. Nor do we need to know that much about the more recent history of Ukraine or its 70 years as a Soviet republic—though it is true that the Soviet ties of the Russian president, most notably his years spent as a KGB officer, matter a great deal. Indeed, many of his tactics—the use of sham Russian-backed “separatists” to carry out his war in eastern Ukraine, the creation of a puppet government in Crimea—are old KGB tactics, familiar from the Soviet past. Fake political groupings played a role in the KGB’s domination of Central Europe after World War II; sham separatists played a role in the Bolshevik conquest of Ukraine itself in 1918.

More at https://web.archive.org/web/20220203171918/https://www.theatlantic.com
/ideas/archive/2022/02/putin-ukraine-democracy/621465/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by K2PO:

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I did not have any idea just how good the Democrats got at stealing elections through en masse mail-in fraud voting and unverifiable mass drop box ballot harvesting. Something you're going to regret cheerleading in 2024 now that Republicans have made it fully known that rather than trying to fight these things they are now just going to cheat better than Democrats do (which is something you always say they do anyhow, right?)

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Cool, cool. Your righteous determination to destroy democracy is not at all reminiscent of 1930s Germany.

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Fuck you idiot. I've been warning you about this for years.

And I've been warning Democrats they need to close those loopholes before Republicans even started talking about using them against you just this year.

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=65372&p=2

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
November 14th, 2022 (From the Mid-Term Elections 2022 thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64267&p=7

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Steve Bannon claims a Maga Red Wave Trumper win is coming any moment now...and if not, if the MidTerms become a crap show then maybe blame North Korea or Jimmy Carter or someone else?

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No. Blame GOP Neo-Con "leadership" and en masse mail-in fraud ballots.

This guy gets it:

Republicans need to figure out mail-in voting

It’s being used by Democrats to influence the course of elections

https://spectatorworld.com/topic/democrats-mail-voting-midterms-fix/

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I raised the idea of outlawing mail-in voting with a canny friend. “The Dems would never allow it,” he said, comparing the practice to nuclear weapons. Once they exist, it is impossible to get rid of them. Maybe so, in which case it behooves Republicans to become experts in organizing and deploying mail-in voting for their own candidates.

If nothing else, a little competition in the mail-in ballot sweepstakes would counter the invitation to corruption that follows on the feeling that the fix is in. In the election just past, it seemed, despite media forecasts of a red wave, that a certain complacency was abroad in and about the headquarters of certain contentious races. Gretchen Whitmer never seemed particularly worried about Tudor Dixon, nor did John Fetterman seem worried about Dr. Oz. Of course, Fetterman is a special case. But the point is, I believe, they knew that the fix was in and therefore — to employ another common idiom — that the race was in the bag.

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Let me break that down for you...

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. ~Bugs Bunny

If they want to cheat, let 'em cheat. We're going to cheat better, and we're going to end up taking all the Democrat strongholds away from them co-opting the platform that they championed to allow widespread cheating and never let them cheat better than we will cheat.

We don't allow the cheating in Indiana, but I just might stay overnight at my Grandma's for a few weeks in 2024 and go door to door collecting thousands of ballots from people who would have otherwise been too lazy to vote. That's how they win. We can do it better. And it will all be legal because they made it legal.

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

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November 17th, 2022 (From this thread):

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Oh... and P.S.

The Republicans are starting to say what I've been saying. If you can't beat them, join them.

Since we're never going to put the shit back in the horse and put an end to covid mail-in fraud ballots in the blue states, it's time for Republicans to start canvassing the streets and ballot harvesting like the Democrats do.

Here in Indiana I only have one vote; one voice. If I spend a week a

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