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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Wednesday, December 14, 2022 12:44 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

NO, I DIDN'T.

That's called a stawman argument, and it's a transparent rhetorical ploy to derail the discussion from (your) losing point.

Signym, this next story will drive you to wild denials of the truth:

The Invisible Victims

UKRAINE/ RUSSIA

Earlier this year, doctors in Kherson, Ukraine immediately took action when they heard that Russians were invading their city. They quickly began making fake documents for orphans that claimed the children were too sick to move.

“We deliberately wrote false information that the children were sick and could not be transported,” said Dr. Olga Pilyarska in an interview with the Associated Press. “We were scared that (the Russians) would find out … (but) we decided that we would save the children at any cost.”

Pilyarska’s quick thinking prevented Russian troops from seizing Ukrainian children and sending them to live with Russian families – one of the worst atrocities to come to light since Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the invasion of the former Soviet republic earlier this year. More than 1,000 children in Kherson were taken away while Russia occupied the city for eight months until its liberation in mid-November. More than 13,000 in total have been kidnapped, according to the Ukrainian government.

Sometimes Russian troops convinced parents to relinquish their children with the enticement of free summer camps in Russia where children would be safe from the fighting, wrote New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof. But the children never return, and the Russian government has not been receptive to parents who have been trying to bring them back home.

Some of the kids were remanded to a “military-patriotic” training camp in Chechnya, a country led by Putin ally Ramzan Kadyrov. As Radio Free Europe wrote, Russian officials designated these Ukrainian children as “socially troubled” and in need of “re-education.”

Meanwhile, the United Nations recently accused Russia of committing numerous war crimes in Ukraine, including, stunningly, the summary execution of children, reported El Pais. Human rights advocates explained to ABC News that removing children from an enemy’s territory in this manner is a clear indication of Russia’s “genocidal intent” in Ukraine. Like rape, taking kids is a classic ethnic cleansing maneuver to destroy families and thus the basic building block of a nation’s sense of identity, added Forbes.

Bloomberg Opinion columnist Andreas Kluth called these abducted and missing Ukrainian children the war’s “invisible victims.” He wondered if they would ever be reunited with their families, even after the war ends. Investigators can find mass graves and see the damage that bombs and bullets have wrought. But parents won’t find closure until they have their children back.

Nobody should expect the Ukrainians to back down.
That includes you, Signym.

https://www.dailychatter.com/stories/the-invisible-victims/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Wednesday, December 14, 2022 12:55 AM

Yep, more bullshit.

I thought we were done with the "babies ripped from incubators" story.

You'd be a lot more believable if you kept at least one foot in reality.

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If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

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Wednesday, December 14, 2022 3:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yep, more bullshit.

I thought we were done with the "babies ripped from incubators" story.

You'd be a lot more believable if you kept at least one foot in reality.

Signym, Russophiles deny it, but the sad truth is that Russia has murdered approximately 62 million of its citizens.

Once the Russian state settled on murder as a final solution to political conflicts, Russians were never the same.

R.J. Rummel, Lethal Politics - Soviet Genocide and Mass Murder since 1917 (Published 1990)

Chapters

1 61,911,000 Victims: Utopianism Empowered, 1917-1987 1

2 3,284,000 Victims: The Civil War Period, 1917-1922 33

3 2,200,000 Victims: The NEP Period 1923-1928 61

4 11,440,000 Victims: The Collectivization Period, 1929-1935 81

5 4,345,000 Victims: The Great Terror Period 1936-1938 109

6 5,104,000 Victims: Pre-World War II Period 1939-June 1941 127

7 13,053,000 Victims: World War II Period, June 1941-1945 151

8 15,613,000 Victims: Postwar and Stalin’s Twilight Period, 1945-1953 191

9 6,872,000 Victims: Post-Stalin Period, 1954-1987 217

While there are estimates of the number of people killed by Soviet authorities during particular episodes or campaigns, until now, no one has tried to calculate the complete human toll of Soviet genocides and mass murders since the revolution of 1917. Here, R. J. Rummel lists and analyzes hundreds of published estimates, presenting them in the historical context in which they occurred. His shocking conclusion is that, conservatively calculated, 61,911,000 people were systematically killed by the Communist regime from 1917 to 1987.

https://www.amazon.com/Lethal-Politics-Soviet-Genocide-Murder/dp/15600
08873
/

Download all R.J. Rummel books for free from the mirrors at https://libgen.unblockit.page/search.php?req=R.J.+Rummel

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Wednesday, December 14, 2022 4:41 AM

And the collective west nearly exterminated all indigenous people in the Americas that it ever contacted.

Your point?

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Wednesday, December 14, 2022 5:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And the collective west nearly exterminated all indigenous people in the Americas that it ever contacted.

Your point?

This is a classic Russian propaganda move, known as whataboutism, to mention "indigenous people", but the big difference was that Russians were exterminating Russians. Russians kill Russians (not "Indians") by the millions. See the difference, Signym? That pretty much explains why Russia has not prospered like nearly every other country in Eurasia. The big exception? North Korea went on a similar rampage to kill North Koreans and the result was that North Korea did not prosper while South Korea did. Funny thing about North Korea: it wouldn't have existed except for Russians setting North Korea on its path, the same one Russia has taken.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Wednesday, December 14, 2022 1:14 PM

No, it's a demonstration that you have no point

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Wednesday, December 14, 2022 4:20 PM

Putin’s war on Ukrainian power grid reveals more than he’d like.

Why not target something military? The Russian army isn’t good at finding military targets, which move around and are camouflaged. The whereabouts of a power grid can be Google-mapped.

Here’s the thing: The Ukrainian power grid was built back in Soviet times to survive a thermonuclear war; it’s incredibly redundant and well-protected. There’s no way a non-nuclear warhead will blow the concrete casing that shields the generating facilities. Transformers are much softer targets, and Soviet engineers knew that as well. They couldn’t shield the transformers, so they put them as far apart as possible. A Soviet substation invariably occupies a much bigger space than its U.S. counterpart; every piece stands apart from the other, with incredible redundancy built into the system and capacities for rerouting.

A cheap Iranian Shaheed-136 drone will hardly kill a transformer. More likely, it will damage the coolant system, which will be fixed in a day or two. A missile, which costs anywhere from $3 million to $8 million apiece can do the job, but it’s unlikely it will severely damage more than two transformers. An X-101 missile costs $13 million, an X-555 $7.5 million, a Kalibr $6.5 million. But the biggest problem for Russia isn’t the price of the missiles: It’s their replacement — it takes up to nine months to deliver one.

Before the war, Russia had stockpiled about 1,900 long-range high precision missiles (900 Iskanders, 500 Kalibres, 144 X-101 and 300 X-555), of which it has used about two-thirds. Before the sanctions kicked in, it was manufacturing high-precision missiles (X-101, Kalibres and 9M729**) at a rate of around 100 per year, though that estimate perhaps should be revised upward.

It’s possible — theoretically — for Russia to destroy the Ukrainian power grid, were the air defense non-existent or the missile swarms big enough to saturate it. But neither is going to happen if the West continues to supply Ukraine. And because of several bottlenecks that speak volumes about the Russian army.

The first major bottleneck is the number of missile carriers: It seems Russia simply doesn’t have enough of them. It’s apparently incapable of launching more than 30-40 sea-born Kalibres in a swarm; some Kalibr carriers were damaged by Ukrainian sea drone attack, and it looks like Russia is afraid to launch from submarines.

Russian air-launched missiles are an even sorrier sight. These are mostly X-55, X-555 and X-101 missiles launched from strategic bombers in a standoff mode; a bomber “takes off from its air base in Engels, flies to the Caspian and launches missiles from over the water,” explains Roman Switan, 58, a military expert and former fighter pilot. The X-55 is an old missile, originally fitted with a nuclear warhead, built back in 1970s. The warhead is stripped and a blank is fitted, and a hellishly expensive missile with no precision guidance system to speak of is used only to saturate the air defense. X-555 is a non-nuclear variety of X-55, built later. X-101 is the most modern, high-precision. 

There’s usually around 60 or 70 X-55, X-555, and X-101 in one swarm, and, incredibly, all bombers take off from a single base: Engels. A recent Ukrainian drone attack on the base damaged one strategic TU-95 bomber and likely reduced the number of missiles launched in a single salvo several hours later by at least 16 pieces.

Russia launches the missiles over the Caspian apparently because some of them are so old, the ignition doesn’t catch on. “Instead of flying off, the missile simply drops down,” said Switan. It is especially dangerous for such antique items as X-55. Recently ecologists found over 2,500 seals dead on Caspian beaches. While the precise cause of the seal deaths has not yet been determined, X-55 fuel is highly toxic.

Were Putin fighting against Caspian seals he might have succeeded. Against Ukrainians and their power grid? Not so much.

Before the war, Russia was flaunting its new missiles: a hype

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Wednesday, December 14, 2022 6:33 PM

In a move that sparked outrage across the world, Russian President Vladimir Putin awarded the unit an honorary military title and praised it for its “heroism” and “bold actions.”

Chibrin said he didn’t see any of the supposed heroism, but many of the crimes.

Chibrin also described widespread looting, with Russian soldiers taking computers, jewelry and anything they liked.

“They didn’t hide this at all. A lot from my unit, when we left Lipovka and Andreevka in the end of March, they took cars, vehicles, they took civilian cars and sold them in Belarus,” he said. “The mentality is, if you steal something, you are good. If nobody catches you, good! If you see something that is expensive and you steal it and don’t get caught, you are good.”

As for the unit’s commanders, he said they were well aware of the alleged rapes and murders and of the looting, but took little interest in seeking justice.

“They reacted like: ‘Whatever. It happened. So what?’ Actually, there was no reaction,” he said. “Discipline goes [down the drain], there’s no discipline.”

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/13/europe/russian-defector-war-crimes-intl
-cmd/index.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Wednesday, December 14, 2022 6:53 PM

Zelensky tells David Letterman a Jewish joke about Russian military’s performance

“Two Jewish guys from Odesa meet up,” Zelensky says. “One asks the other: ‘So what’s the situation? What are people saying?'”

“And he goes, ‘What are people saying? They are saying it’s a war.'”

“What kind of war?”

“Russia is fighting NATO.”

“Are you serious?”

“Yes, yes! Russia is fighting NATO.”

“So how’s it going?”

“Well, 70,000 Russian soldiers are dead. The missile stockpile has almost been depleted. A lot of equipment is damaged, blown up.”

“And what about NATO?”

“What about NATO? NATO hasn’t even arrived yet.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/zelensky-tells-letterman-
jewish-joke-about-russian-militarys-performance
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, December 15, 2022 7:13 PM

The Biden administration is planning to send Ukraine advanced electronic equipment that converts unguided aerial munitions into “smart bombs” that can target Russian military positions with a high degree of accuracy, according to senior U.S. officials familiar with the matter.

The kits incorporate global positioning devices for precision and can be bolted onto a variety of weapons, creating what the Pentagon calls a Joint Direct Attack Munition, or JDAM. The U.S. military has used the technology on bombs weighing up to 2,000 pounds, usually incorporating it with bomber aircraft and fighter jets.

On Tuesday, senior U.S. officials told The Washington Post that the Pentagon also was preparing to provide Ukraine with a Patriot missile system, the U.S. military’s most sophisticated air defense weapon. Biden has yet to approve that move either but could do so imminently, officials said.

The Kremlin has reacted angrily to the outpouring of Western military aid, making thinly veiled threats to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine and warning of the potential for a broader spillover war with NATO. For that reason, the Biden administration has sought to move cautiously in approving new capabilities that could be viewed by Russia as escalatory.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/u-s-planning-to-give-ukraine-smar
t-bomb-kits/ar-AA15hTry


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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