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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Sunday, November 13, 2022 6:20 PM

Published: October 12, 2022

The Russian draft isn’t likely to help Vladimir Putin win the war in Ukraine

New troops are unlikely to turn the tide in eastern Ukraine.

Understanding the effect of the mobilization requires a bit of background in the organization of the Russian military.

The Russian military is designed around the idea that in the event of war with NATO, professional units — with advanced weapons and the skills to use them — are fleshed out and supported by large numbers of newly mobilized individuals. Military service is mandatory for young Russian men aged 18 to 27.

When Russia invaded Ukraine, however, it did not mobilize its population. Instead, only professional units were used, with Rosgvardia (Russian National Guard) and conscripts undertaking their mandatory military service, employed to try and make up the difference.

Current Russian retreats show the war has wreaked havoc on professional units.

The Ukrainian military clearly developed a detailed plan to confront a Russian invasion that allowed them to inflict heavy losses. This involved using small groups, armed with advanced anti-tank weapons like the American Javelin and British NLAW rockets, to harass Russian forces. Russia’s logistical challenges exacerbated this, leading to bottlenecks and poor organization that only made Ukraine more successful.

Russia’s professional military — the backbone of its capacity to mobilize — has been heavily degraded.

Adding 300,000 soldiers will only worsen this problem.

Though Russia retains far more military hardware than Ukraine, its ability to use it — which is what ultimately matters — has been depleted.

Ukraine’s primary advantage is morale rather than hardware. The war has strengthened Ukrainian nationalism, giving its soldiers a genuine feeling of fighting for liberation. Russian forces, on the other hand, face the reality of fighting an unsuccessful war of aggression against people many regard as being just like them.

Morale gulf

As Russia introduces 300,000 reservists who are not happy to be in the armed forces in the first place, the morale gulf between the Russian and Ukraine forces will become more pronounced. Right now, it’s unlikely an influx of reluctant Russian troops will drastically change the outcome of the war.

More at https://theconversation.com/the-russian-draft-isnt-likely-to-help-vlad
imir-putin-win-the-war-in-ukraine-191838


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Sunday, November 13, 2022 7:46 PM

Posting on Telegram, Ultranationalist Alexander Dugin, known as "Putin's Brain," called the Russian president an autocrat with ultimate power over the war as he accused him of "surrendering" the city on November 12.

He said that the retreat undermines Russian ideology by failing to defend "Russian cities." On 30 September President Putin formally annexed four Ukrainian provinces, including the southern Kherson region, into Russia.

Pro-war Dugin, whose daughter was killed in a Moscow car explosion earlier this year, said an autocrat has a responsibility to save his nation all by himself or face the fate of the "king of the rains," according to the Institute for the Study of War (ISW). The U.S. think tank said the quote was a reference to Sir James Frazer's 'The Golden Bough', where a king was killed because he was unable to deliver rain amidst a drought.

The ISW added: "Dugin also noted that the autocrat cannot repair this deviation from ideology merely with public appearances, noting that 'the authorities in Russia cannot surrender anything else' and that 'the limit has been reached.'"

Dugin then referenced the use of tactical nuclear weapons. According to the ISW: "He (Dugin) suggested, however, that Russia must commit to the Russian idea rather than pursuing the 'stupid' use of nuclear weapons." (Is there a 'smart' use? Is Russian 'smart' nearly the same as 'stupid'?)

Russian state TV presenter Vladimir Solovyov, who is nicknamed "Putin's voice" due to his support of the president, expressed frustration at Moscow's forces blowing up bridges as they retreated from Kherson.

On Saturday, Solovyov, appearing on his Vesti FM radio show 'Full Contact,' claimed Russia had withdrawn its troops from some parts of Ukraine as a "goodwill gesture." But he soon became increasingly animated and suggested the Russian army should have attacked Ukrainian infrastructure earlier as he discussed reports that troops had blown up bridges across the Dnipro river during their retreat.

He said: "I've been screaming out loud since February that we need to strike the bridges, destroy the infrastructure, delivery entryways. They [Russian military] said, 'You don't understand anything, they'll bring their equipment to the same area and we will smash it!'

"So did you smash it? You don't understand, it's a brotherly nation, we'll have to restore these bridges, we'll enter through them." He added: "Where? Where will we enter? When they were leaving [Kherson], they blew up the bridges. Where are we going to enter?"

Newsweek has contacted the U.K. Ministry of Defence and the Kremlin for comment.
(The question being asked by Newsweek: Are Russians crazy? Or do they only appear crazy because they are the most brilliant people with the greatest military minds on Earth?)

More at https://www.newsweek.com/putins-brain-turns-russian-leader-king-rains-
warning-1759139


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Sunday, November 13, 2022 10:15 PM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
All you do is post propaganda dude.

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6ix, it was just last week that you predicted the Democratic Party is dead.



Mail in fraud is a thing that needs to be taken care of.

Have you stopped to ask yourself just how in the hell the Republicans won the popular vote in the mid-terms? That hasn't happened once before in my life.

All it takes is a bunch of harvested, unsolicited mail-in fraud ballots in swing states to win. You guys have done it twice now.

The funny thing is that you never do it in states like California and New York because you should always win those and look what happened there. A few surprises, huh?

My predictions are sound. You guys keep cheating and you'll get that Civil War you keep talking about. Fuck around and find out.

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6ix, you are insane.



No. I'm not.

You didn't notice that yet, did you?

Democrat Popular vote (2022): 47,301,792 - 46.7%
Republican Popular vote (2022): 52,084,705 - 51.4%
Republicans (2022) - +4.7

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/live_results/2022/house/

Republicans managed so far to have nearly 5 Million more votes than Democrats did in the popular vote. Two years ago, Democrats had 5 Million more votes than Republicans in California alone.

California Democrat votes (2020): 11,110,250 63.5% 34.3%
California Republican votes (2020): 6,006,429
California Democrats (2020) - 29.2%

https://www.cookpolitical.com/2020-national-popular-vote-tracker

You guys cheated. Twice now.

How many times do you suppose you're going to get away with that?

You are going to find out.

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Sunday, November 13, 2022 10:44 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Surovikin’s Difficult Choice
Russia Abandons Kherson
Big Serge

SECUND: <-- WHO IS THIS?



I don't know. Who cares?
Does what he post make sense, or not?

Quote:

Big Serge: ... hard at work in Pavlovka.

While the world was fixated on the relatively bloodless change of hands in Kherson, Russia and Ukraine fought a bloody battle for Pavlovka, and Russia won. Ukraine also attempted to break Russia’s defenses in the Svatove axis, and was repulsed with heavy casualties. ... https://bigserge.substack.com/p/surovkins-difficult-choice

SECOND: Signym, this is a load of bullshit from the anonymous BigSerge.


YOU don't mind posting anonymous sources, so . BFD.

Yes, Russia just took Pavlovka. Not sure where the focus will be next. I heard a couple of comments elsewhere that made sense. One of them was that Surovikin was made overall commander bc the militias were each fighting their own war, attacking Bakhmut then switching to Advivka, launching a scattering of unfocused attacks. (This was a bit like Syria, that really didn't have a national army, just a hodgepodge of essentially local militias. It was difficult to get a militia to fight in another region, so defenses were scattered and unfocused. Eventually Russia gave up trying to retrain the Syrian Army and just created a whole new division. But that's another story.)

The other is that Surovikin will have to show SOMEthing for this tactic. Apparently it was a hard-fought decision that had been argued over for a long time. The military wanted one thing, the politicians wanted something else.

I wonder if maybe Russia annexed territories not so much to take land but to unify the military command and increase its population. But again, that's another story.

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SECOND: The comment section is pure Russian propaganda:
But I didn't post, or even read, the comment section. It's not what Big Serge posted, so ...

Did what he write make sense? Is it consistent with the facts? It seems so to me.
Why aren't you addressing that instead of going off in the comments?

Oh, I know. It's bc you can't.

I notice that whenever your argument runs into trouble you change the topic. Usually you post something about Trump and insult people.

So obvious.

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Sunday, November 13, 2022 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It's not what Big Serge posted, so ...

Did what he write make sense? Is it consistent with the facts? It seems so to me.
Why aren't you addressing that instead of going off in the comments?

Oh, I know. It's bc you can't.

I notice that whenever your argument runs into trouble you change the topic. Usually you post something about Trump and insult people.

So obvious.

Consistency and logic are easy to create, Signym. Novelists create consistency and logic as a way of life. Perhaps you read The Lord of the Rings? Tolkien's world creation is consistent and logical, but it is not real. Neither is Big Serge's world creation real. Despite Tolkien and Big Serge being in the same business, you don't believe either, except if you suspend your judgment and become a believer in fantasies.

Here is an example of a fantasy, but it does have some real quotes from other people's fantasies:

A creeping coup is underway in Russia as high-ranking officials are deliberately not carrying out orders properly to "sabotage" Vladimir Putin, a respected Moscow political analyst has claimed. The Russian president is being hit by a “paralysis in decision-making”, according to analyst Kirill Rogov.

While Mr Rogov does not expect an “archaic palace coup” as the president’s “powerful” security service will protect him, he has still forecast that ultimately “it will disappear with him”.

Unease with the war in Ukraine and its impact on the economy and society is threatening Putin’s power, he indicated.

Mr Rogov was formerly a leading research fellow at the Institute for Economic Policy, and the Russian Presidential Academy of National Economy and Public Administration, and is now a senior researcher with the INDEM Foundation and a Board Member of the Liberal Mission Foundation.

He said: “A conspiracy can be a creeping one. Sabotage of decisions becomes the most effective type of plot.” A refusal to execute decisions “does not imply high risks” but is effective in undermining the regime, he claimed on YouTube in a channel linked to the Andrei Sakharov Foundation.

“When some fraction of the elites feels strong enough to show it, then it becomes a plot to a significant extent,” said Rogov, who has previously advised the Russian government. “It is enough to have the forces that will not allow the president’s security service to arrest you…”

His words could indicate a widespread resistance to Putin and his war within high-ranking officials, with Russian officials and others finding subtle means to disrupt his operations.

“It is hard to conduct an archaic palace coup, but that is not necessary, because political mechanisms work differently.” He stated:”If some fraction [of the Russian elites] has enough power to make decisions and to disobey, and to be invulnerable in their area of responsibility, then it already is a collapse of management which is followed by serious consequences….

“Because everyone else sees that it can be done, and unpleasant things start happening.”

Meanwhile one of Putin’s leading cronies issued an appeal for Russians to stay loyal to the beleaguered president.

“Only the closest unity, daily hard work and the highest morale can ensure victory for the country,” said ex-president Dmitry Medvedev, deputy head of the Kremlin’s shadowy security council.

His statement, appearing to smack of desperation, ignored the humiliating loss of Kherson.

“It is Russia that protects its citizens,” he said,“and that it is our country that returns and has already returned its ancestral Russian land…and this will continue.”

He claimed it was Putin and “not the States and Britain or dark Kyiv” that was “shaping the future world order”, and that Russia “alone is fighting NATO and the Western world”. “Therefore any parallels with the past are wrong or tentative. Except for one: we alone know how to destroy a powerful enemy or enemy alliances.”

The Putin apologist said: “Russia is fighting, trying to save the

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Monday, November 14, 2022 12:43 AM


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It's not what Big Serge posted, so ...

Did what he write make sense? Is it consistent with the facts? It seems so to me.
Why aren't you addressing that instead of going off in the comments?

Oh, I know. It's bc you can't.

I notice that whenever your argument runs into trouble you change the topic. Usually you post something about Trump and insult people.

So obvious.

SECOND: Consistency and logic are easy to create, Signym. Novelists create consistency and logic as a way of life. Perhaps you read The Lord of the Rings? Tolkien's world creation is consistent and logical, but it is not real.

blah blah blah ...


There's one thing missing from your bullshit... well, there ate several things missing from your crap splatter, SECOND.
Logic.
And consistency.
Bc you CONSTANTLY contradict yourself.

That's a problem with lying: it's hatd to keep your story straight, innit?
You don't even bother with that anymore, do you?

But besides that, the other important missing thing?
Evidence.

You think that if you post some made-up gossip, rumor, and allegation (which btw contradicts your other gossip, rumors, and allegations*) that has anything to do with reality?

It's completely knowable whether Russia withdrew from an area, or took an area.

* For example, you JUST POSTED that Putin has widespread support. Now you're posting that there are coup plotters. That's why I don't read your posts. They're as meaningful as crap-splatters on a wall.

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Monday, November 14, 2022 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
All you do is post propaganda dude.

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

6ix, it was just last week that you predicted the Democratic Party is dead.



Mail in fraud is a thing that needs to be taken care of.

Have you stopped to ask yourself just how in the hell the Republicans won the popular vote in the mid-terms? That hasn't happened once before in my life.

All it takes is a bunch of harvested, unsolicited mail-in fraud ballots in swing states to win. You guys have done it twice now.

The funny thing is that you never do it in states like California and New York because you should always win those and look what happened there. A few surprises, huh?

My predictions are sound. You guys keep cheating and you'll get that Civil War you keep talking about. Fuck around and find out.

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

6ix, you are insane.



No. I'm not.

You didn't notice that yet, did you?

Democrat Popular vote (2022): 47,301,792 - 46.7%
Republican Popular vote (2022): 52,084,705 - 51.4%
Republicans (2022) - +4.7

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/live_results/2022/house/

Republicans managed so far to have nearly 5 Million more votes than Democrats did in the popular vote. Two years ago, Democrats had 5 Million more votes than Republicans in California alone.

California Democrat votes (2020): 11,110,250 63.5% 34.3%
California Republican votes (2020): 6,006,429
California Democrats (2020) - 29.2%

https://www.cookpolitical.com/2020-national-popular-vote-tracker

You guys cheated. Twice now.

How many times do you suppose you're going to get away with that?

You are going to find out.

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Monday, November 14, 2022 1:02 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

There's one thing missing from your bullshit... well, there ate several things missing from your crap splatter, SECOND.
Logic.
And consistency.
Bc you CONSTANTLY contradict yourself.

Let's make it clear: Russian military leadership needs a bullet in the back of the head. Two to make sure it is dead. Hunting season is now open.

The West must stop ‘shooting behind the duck’ and provide Ukraine with the weapons it needs

by Garrett I. Campbell, Opinion Contributor
8-10 minutes

Eight months into Russia’s invasion, Vladimir Putin remains committed to the territorial conquest and destruction of Ukraine. Ukrainians have had successes, such as the recent counteroffensive around Kharkiv and now Russia’s ordered pullout from Kherson. Still, the future is uncertain, with winter approaching and the outcome of Putin’s mobilization in play. The West must stop “shooting behind the duck” regarding its military aid to Ukraine.

Ukraine has shown it can defeat Russian forces and deter future Russian aggression, but it requires Western leaders to recognize what Russia is doing militarily and what is needed to defeat it. It’s time for the West to send a strong message to Putin and his generals that come spring, their military will meet a worse fate if they renew the offensive.

Russia’s strategic approach to the war is neither haphazard nor representative of a military power grasping at straws. Russia is pursuing a war-of-attrition strategy meant to slowly wear down the Ukrainian military while relentlessly destroying civilian infrastructure. Putin is playing the long game and, predictably, has fallen back on traditional Russian military strategy and doctrine.

After its defeat in the initial phase of the war and the battle for Kyiv, Russia shifted its military strategy to seizing the Donbas. The shift represented a definitive return to Russia’s traditional doctrinal approach of attrition warfare. It quickly became evident that Ukraine needed weapons to offset Russian firepower advantages, more than simply Javelins and Stingers. Withholding heavier weapons contributed to the destruction of Ukrainian cities such as Mariupol, Sievierodonetsk and Lysychansk. From May to July, many observers opined that Ukrainian military losses were unsustainable, and in an effort to avoid the destruction of its Donbas forces, the Ukrainians retreated from their last positions in Luhansk Oblast, allowing the Russians to occupy roughly 25 percent of Ukrainian territory.

Wars of attrition go both ways, however, and the Russian strategy of attrition effectively exhausted their own army. As Russia paused to reconstitute its forces, Ukraine began to field an influx of Western artillery systems, including HIMARS, to destroy Russian command-and-control and logistics hubs and key infrastructure such as the bridges, robbing the Russians of the operational pause they needed and setting the stage for Ukraine’s counteroffensive.

While the Russians prepared for the counteroffensive around Kherson, Ukraine’s biggest success came by exploiting the weakened Russian defenses around Kharkiv. With the momentum again swinging in favor of Ukraine, the Russian military responded by shifting their strategy — again in line with Russian military doctrine. The shift to an air and missile campaign with the aim of decimating Ukraine’s civil and military infrastructure is central to attrition warfare. However, the West once more found itself shooting behind the duck and scrambling to bolster Ukraine’s air defenses.

While rightfully characterized as a “terror campaign” against Ukrainian civilians, we are witnessing the execution of well-known elements of Russian military doctrine — strategic aerospace operations against critical infrastructure meant to disorganize and undermine an adversary’s war effort. It’s a rough version of Russian strategic aerospace operations (SAO) and strategic operations to destroy critical infrastructure targets (SODCIT), two of the four Russian mil

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Monday, November 14, 2022 1:29 AM

Didn't even bother to read, SECOND.
It prolly contradicts your immediately previous post.
I hope you don't mind.


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Monday, November 14, 2022 2:29 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Didn't even bother to read, SECOND.
It prolly contradicts your immediately previous post.
I hope you don't mind.


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