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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Monday, August 22, 2022 3:20 AM

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Originally posted by second:
How many Russian soldiers have been killed in Ukraine? What we know, how we know it and what it really means.

The estimates range from 1,351 and 43,000, but this much is clear: Russia has a manpower problem.

As the 19th-century Prussian military theorist Carl von Clausewitz wrote, “Casualty reports on either side are never accurate, seldom truthful, and in most cases deliberately falsified.”

The impact of all these casualties undeniably important, given that troop losses are likely to be a main determinant of the outcome.

Too bad for Kiev they've lost 100,000 (conservative estimate) to 300,000 soldiers.

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THG
Monday, August 22, 2022 4:37 AM

Yes yes Putty. It's called pay back.

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Monday, August 22, 2022 4:48 AM

You're a real tough guy posting about the war you crave from your mom's basement, aren'cha Teddy boy?

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THG
Monday, August 22, 2022 4:57 AM

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How Belarusians are fighting Putin in their country and in Ukraine





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Monday, August 22, 2022 5:11 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:

Too bad for Kiev they've lost 100,000 (conservative estimate) to 300,000 soldiers.

Where did you get that number from, Signym? So many numbers, yet so few reasons to believe you actually have a factual reference rather than you made the fantasy numbers all by yourself.

Total Casualties of the Russo-Ukrainian War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War#To
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Monday, August 22, 2022 5:23 AM

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How Belarusians are fighting Putin in their country and in Ukraine




Why on earth do you care so much, Ted?

You got stock in Ukraine oil or something?

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Monday, August 22, 2022 5:27 AM

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Why on earth do you care so much, Ted?

You got stock in Ukraine oil or something?

6ix, you are the only person who has written many, many times "Nobody died of covid" and "Nobody cares about Russia and Ukraine". There is nobody like you, 6ix. Correction: Nobody sane.

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Monday, August 22, 2022 3:12 PM

Russia appeals for new recruits for war effort

"Two volunteer artillery battalions are being formed. We invite men from 18 to 60 years old to join," the speakers blare out.

It's a message that's being repeated up and down this vast country. On social media, on TV and on billboards, men are being urged to sign short-term contracts with the military to fight in Ukraine.

In the face of significant losses in the conflict, the authorities have launched a recruitment drive for the Russian army.

I stop one man on the street in Volosovo and ask him if he supports the call-up for volunteers. "Yes! If I were young I'd go, but I'm too old now," he tells me, clenching his fists. "We should bomb them!"

But most people in the town seem less enthusiastic. "[The war] is too painful to even talk about," one woman complains. "Killing your brothers is wrong." I ask her what she would say if one of her relatives wanted to join. "Why go? Only their bodies will be brought back."

And many bodies are.

Investigative journalist Roman Dobrokhotov says the recruitment drive is a sign of desperation on the part of the authorities: "This is not the type of soldiers needed for a victorious war. The Kremlin still hopes that quantity can win over quality. That they can get these hundreds of thousands of desperate people with their debts and just throw them into the conflict zone."

Despite the eyewatering amounts of cash on offer to potential recruits - up to £4,700 ($5,700) a month in some cases - Roman says the reality is different.

"People don't actually see this money," he says. "They are returning [from Ukraine] now and telling us journalists about how they were deceived. This is also influencing the situation, this lack of trust in our government, so I don't think this strategy will be successful."

But some are happy to join up.

Nina Chubarina's son Yevgeny left their village in the northern region of Karelia to join a volunteer battalion. Nina says her son, who had no military experience, was given a gun and sent straight into Ukraine.

He was killed just days later. He was 24 years old.

Nina agrees to meet me in a park near Moscow, where she has found part-time work in a bread factory. She says the monotonous task of packing loaves takes her mind off the loss of her son.

She remembers pleading with her son not to go to Ukraine.

"I tried to talk him out of it. I cried. I said, 'There's a war, you'll be killed!' He said, 'Mum, everything will be fine.'"

Nina is critical of how the authorities recruit volunteers to fight in Ukraine.

"They just send them in like dumb little chickens! They'd hardly even held a gun before. They're cannon fodder. The generals think, 'We've got a volunteer: great, in you go!'"

Not everyone is as keen to sign up as Yevgeny.

Travelling around this country, you are not left with the impression that the Russian people are all fully behind the "special military operation," as the Kremlin likes to call it.

The number of cars on Russian roads displaying the pro-war "Z" symbol is still relatively few. Experts say that the numbers of volunteers joining up are low.

Military analyst Pavel Luzin says people here are not ready to sacrifice themselves for their president.

"The problem for the Kremlin is that most Russian people are not going to die for Putin or for the restoration of 'the great Empire'. Recruitment isn't possible in current circumstances because there is no civil consensus in Russia for the war.

"Compare this with Ukraine. The Ukrainians are ready to fight."


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62553629

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Monday, August 22, 2022 3:39 PM

Russian paratroopers facing crippling morale, severe losses in Ukraine

AUGUST 21, 2022 16:21

The biggest issue for the Russian forces seems to be the mass refusal of the command staff of VDV units to participate in the fighting in Ukraine.

Due to the alleged mass refusal of Russian Airborne Forces (VDV) officers to participate in combat in Ukraine, Russian paratrooper command has begun trying to hire contractors to fill the vacant positions, but even they do not seem keen to fight, Ukrainian Intelligence said in a statement Saturday.

Russia has been increasingly using contracted professionals - contraktniki in Russian - to replace conscripts in elite military units.

After severe losses suffered by the Russian paratroopers as a result of clashes with Ukraine's army, the command of the airborne troops is attempting to restore the morale and combat capability of the units, the statement explained.

Special focus is being put on units in which more than 60 percent of personnel were killed in action and units in which demoralized soldiers have refused to continue their service.

The biggest issue for the Russian forces seems to be the mass refusal of the command staff of VDV units to participate in the fighting in Ukraine. Even contract workers, who were urgently assigned officer ranks, have reportedly refused to fill in positions from platoon commander to battalion commander.

Members of Russia's general staff in Ukraine were instructed to investigate each case of refusal and persuade the commanders to return to their units by promising social benefits and government awards.

Russia's Paratrooper divisions - considered one of the country's elite units and poster boys for the Russian military - have encountered a series of problems since the invasion of Ukraine, tarnishing the once prestigious designation the unit held.

Paratroopers abandoning posts

Back in July, Ukrainian intelligence reported that paratroopers from the 106th and 76th Airborne Divisions had been refusing to continue fighting in combat operations in Ukraine and were returning from the Luhansk Oblast to Russian Federation territory, according to Ukraine's Pravda.

Further showing the morale issues Russia is having with the VDV, at least 60 Russian paratroopers from one unit in Pskov province refused to fight in Ukraine, according to independent Russian newspaper Pskovskaya Gubernia.

The troops were fired, and some were threatened with criminal prosecution for desertion or failure to comply with an order, the paper wrote on its Telegram channel.

331st Regiment loses former glory

Another unit, the renowned 331st Guards Parachute Regiment which served in the Balkans, Chechnya, and the 2014 Russian intervention in the Donbas region of Ukraine, and regularly took part in Red Square parades in Moscow has also suffered heavy losses in March, according to the BBC.

The regiment's commanding officer, Col Sergei Sukharev, along with 39 other soldiers were killed while advancing on Kyiv. The men were part of a column that advanced into Ukraine from Belarus, led by Russia's airborne forces.

The 331st was also a showcase for Russia's policy of replacing national service soldiers with professionals under contract. It is understandable why the generals should have given it an important role in the invasion.

https://www.jpost.com/international/article-715187

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Monday, August 22, 2022 6:25 PM

Russia Forcibly Conscripts Over 400 Mine Workers for Ukraine War

As the invasion of Ukraine continues, Russian forces have reportedly begun conscripting local workers to fill infantry roles.

Approximately 430 miners from the Luhansk region in Eastern Ukraine have been forcibly conscripted into the Russian infantry, according to the region's governor, Serhiy Haidai, in a post to his Telegram account on Sunday.

"The mass media of the so-called ['Luhansk People's Republic'] start to teach the population to be proud of this fact," Haidai said. "The report says that '...as in the years of the Great Patriotic War, women and pensioners replace in fields, factories, and mines the men who went to the front... Women stayed and they successfully perform their duties even in extremely difficult jobs...' 430 miners of the once leading coal mining enterprise of Donbas were mobilized."

According to a report from Ukrinform, the workers were conscripted from the Dovzhanska-Kapitalna mining company in the town of Dovzhanska, which was once the leading mining operation in the region.

Reports emerged earlier in August that the Russian military had begun conscripting civilians from Luhansk, which came under full Russian control early last month, and was dubbed the "Luhansk People's Republic." Portions of the region had been recognized as a breakaway state by Russia since 2014. At the time, Haidai also said that the need for conscriptions had become so dire, that even miners, who were key to the region's economy, were being swept up.

"They don't bother counting the casualties, because mostly it's the residents of the occupied territories who die," Haidai said in an August 4 Telegram post. "The Russians don't need them in the future, because for eight years the population of the so-called 'LPR' has been a burden on the Russian state budget. Now the men are 'working off' these financial losses... Everyone who can be mobilized has already been mobilized on the territories that have been occupied since 2014...now even irreplaceable miners are being taken away."

More at https://www.newsweek.com/russia-forcibly-conscripts-over-400-mine-work
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