Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
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Quote:Signym, wouldn't it have been nicer for Putin if Ukraine had surrendered to Russia immediately? Then Putin would not have cut off gas to the EU because Putin had a tantrum about the EU giving free ammo to Ukraine. Putin's tantrum didn't stop the free ammo, did it?
Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:Germany needed Russian oil for its war machine. Germany STILL needs foreign oil. And foreign gas, too, and Russia is the most geographically convenient source. Just watch its economy implode this winter. Along with its government.
Originally posted by second:Quote:Since "winning" WWII meant 27 million dead Russians, I would hate to see what a loss would have looked like. I can see you didn't absorb the idea that Hitler would not have invaded Russia if Russia hadn't invaded Finland
Originally posted by SignyM:
Will a Russian win in Ukraine clarify reality for you?
I doubt it.
Since you can't accept that Russia won WWII, current events will also bounce off your head.
I don't know what kind of version of history you've convinced yourself of, but it sure is fucked up.
Oh, BTW, for every dead Russian soldier there are probably ten dead Kiev soldiers. Not only is Kiev going to lose in the geographic sense, it's going to lose the war of attrition. Yanno, kind of like the Confederate south. If Russia leaves a rump Ukraine that will be by far the poorest country in Europe. It will take at least 30 years to recover, unless the west hemorrhages more $$$ into that corrupt cluster-fuck.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake
According to the Russophiles in America, the war is vastly more destructive against Russophobes than against Russians: "for every dead Russian soldier there are probably ten dead Kiev soldiers" and "Just watch [Germany's] economy implode this winter. Along with its government." If Putin has convinced himself that is true, then with patience Ukraine will naturally become his property, given enough time.
But the war between Ukraine and Russia has not even properly started because Russia hasn't been invaded. It is Russia destroying Ukrainian housing ($750 billion) and Russia forcing Ukrainians (12 million) to flee, and Russia executing prisoners (22,504), not the other way around. And it is also Russia that declared Ukraine has always been a part of Russia. Until Putin drops that delusion, he won't end his war on Ukraine.
My solution to Putin's delusion? Give Russia a real war of attrition. Destroy Russian property ($750 billion). Force Russians to flee (12 million). I would advise against executing prisoners (0 executed). Let Russians be the only war criminals.
If Putin wants to nuke the world in retaliation for a more symmetrical war fought on both Russian and Ukrainian land, that's his decision. Nobody can make Putin nuke the world against his calm and rational judgement about what is best for Russia, which is, in my opinion, Putin drops his delusions about owning Ukraine and withdraws from Ukraine, including Crimea. The historic example is Stalin withdrawing from Finland after only 3 months, 1 week and 6 days. Putin could do the same, or not. It is Putin's decision.
Katherine Arnold, July 1st, 2020
“There is no Ukraine”: Fact-Checking the Kremlin’s Version of Ukrainian History
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/lseih/2020/07/01/there-is-no-ukraine-fact-chec
king-the-kremlins-version-of-ukrainian-history/
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Already long before the Ukraine crisis, at an April 2008 NATO summit in Bucharest, Vladimir Putin reportedly claimed that “Ukraine is not even a state! What is Ukraine? A part of its territory is [in] Eastern Europe, but a[nother] part, a considerable one, was a gift from us!” In his March 18, 2014 speech marking the annexation of Crimea, Putin declared that Russians and Ukrainians “are one people. Kiev is the mother of Russian cities. Ancient Rus’ is our common source and weNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
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Quote:Russians were wrong and are dismayed to discover that Ukrainians do care and do kill Russians.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody cares.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Russians were wrong and are dismayed to discover that Ukrainians do care and do kill Russians.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody cares.
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Nobody cares about either of them or how many of each other they kill.
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Quote:The present is more accurately known than the future but at some point the present becomes "Fake News". Declaring the News to be "Fake News" means your predictions of the future are never wrong, Signym.
Originally posted by SignyM:
Anyway, just spitballing and trying to predict the future.
The Ukrainian military’s Southern Command said Thursday that it had struck an ammunition depot in the village of Bilohirka, near the front line of fighting in the Kherson region. The rocket strike is the latest in a series of attacks that have targeted logistics in the Russian-occupied south—part of a strategy to starve Russian troops in the region of supplies and force them to withdraw from the territory they are holding west of the Dnipro River.
A day earlier, the Ukrainian military posted video to social media that appeared to show the aftermath of a long-range rocket strike on Nova Kakhovka, also in the Kherson region.
And on Tuesday, pro-Ukrainian saboteurs destroyed an ammunition depot in Crimea, which Russia seized in 2014.
Video on social media Thursday also showed large explosions overnight in Russian-occupied Amvrosiivka, in the eastern Donetsk region; Ukrainian officials didn’t immediately comment on the cause.
As Ukrainian strikes inside Russian-held territory increase, Russian forces are attempting to crack down on pro-Ukrainian insurgents.
More at https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-strikes-russian-base-ahea
d-of-talks-with-turkey-u-n/ar-AA10No4G
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In Ukraine, the notorious Russian Wagner group is recruiting. Murderers are welcome.
For years, the Wagner private military company has done Moscow’s dirty work in eastern Ukraine, Libya, Syria and parts of Africa. The Kremlin always officially denied any relationship with Wagner, whose soldiers for hire have been accused of massacres and other human rights violations.
But now, Wagner and its mercenaries have suddenly emerged from the shadows in the Ukraine war, openly celebrated on Russian state media and lauded as heroes of President Vladimir Putin’s bloody invasion. A recent special report on the most-watched state TV channel trumpeted the group’s gains on the Ukrainian front lines — an unthinkable acknowledgment of Wagner even just a few months ago.
Pro-Kremlin reporters lionize the members of the group, named for the right-wing German classical composer Richard Wagner, as “musicians” in an “orchestra.” And Wagner is using glitzy advertising across Russia to sign up new members. Its efforts include recruitment campaigns in prisons.
“This site was liberated by the specialists from Wagner PMC, the famed ‘musicians’ of the famed ‘orchestra,’ ” war correspondent Evgeny Poddubny said as he toured the Vuhlehirska power station in the Donetsk region, for the Rossiya 1 channel. Poddubny was accompanied by a masked mercenary wearing a helmet emblazoned with a skull and two crossed swords.
“If before everyone pretended such people don’t exist in general … now everything is different,” wrote the administrator of Special Task Channel, a popular pro-Kremlin Telegram blog. “It is not some vague volunteers or the general armed forces that are pushing ahead against the Ukrainian military. It’s Wagner doing it.”
The new public embrace of Wagner in many ways is the result of missteps and miscalculations by Russia’s senior political and military leaders, who wrongly expected that the country’s traditional armed forces would quickly conquer Ukraine. Those leaders also became wedded to the false narrative of a “special military operation” rather than acknowledging that Russia was at war.
The paramilitary group was not seen fighting in Ukraine in the early days of the campaign. But Russia’s invading forces were quickly stymied in their initial attempt to seize Kyiv and topple the Ukrainian government. The far heavier-than-expected losses of personnel and equipment quickly prompted the military leadership to seek the help of Wagner mercenaries hardened by years of surreptitious fighting in Donbas and Syria and in other far-flung locations.
Russian military leaders apparently believed they could win in Ukraine without Wagner’s help, an anonymous author of the Telegram channel Reverse Side of the Medal, which is popular with mercenaries, said in a YouTube interview. “But when serious trench wars began, they appealed to the one who shall not be named,” said the author, who claims to be a Wagner member.
A recent investigation by the Russian-language media outlet Meduza concluded that Wagner’s entry into the war was delayed by a falling-out between the group’s reputed financial backer, Yevgeniy Prigozhin, and Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, as well as other members of the Kremlin elite. Prigozhin, who is known as “Putin’s chef” because he made a fortune from government catering contracts, and is under U.S. and E.U. sanctions, has long denied any connection to Wagner.
Officially, the Kremlin also still denies any links between Wagner and the government. But Wagner’s operations in Ukraine are widely believed to be tightly coordinated with the Russian Defense Ministry.
Thousands of more words at https://web.archive.org/web/20220818110544/https://www.washingtonpost.
com/world/2022/08/17/ukraine-russia-wagner-group-mercenaries/
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A Russian paratrooper who fought in Ukraine says troops are deliberately shooting themselves in the leg to escape the war and get a $50,000 payout.
Pavel Filatyev, 33, published a 141-page memoir outlining his experience on the front lines of the Ukraine war on the Russian social-media platform VKontakte two weeks ago, The Guardian reported. Insider has seen the memoir.
The memoir — titled "ZOV" after the Russian pro-war symbol — is the most detailed account of a Russian soldier fighting in Ukraine so far.
It describes how some Russian soldiers are facing so much chaos, hunger, and destruction that they are looking for any way out.
"Someone began to shoot himself in the limbs ... to get 3 million rubles and get out of this hell," Filatyev wrote in his memoir.
His account mirrored similar reports from the New York Post and MailOnline earlier this year, which said Russian soldiers were telling family members that their comrades were shooting themselves in the leg in order to go home.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-paratrooper-who-fought-in
-ukraine-says-troops-are-deliberately-shooting-themselves-in-the-leg-to-escape-the-war-and-get-a-50-000-payout/ar-AA10N2ka
‘I don’t see justice in this war’: Russian soldier exposes rot at core of Ukraine invasion
https://web.archive.org/web/20220818151434/https://www.theguardian.com
/world/2022/aug/17/i-dont-see-justice-in-this-war-russian-soldier-exposes-rot-at-core-of-ukraine-invasion
“I am not afraid to fight in war. But I need to feel justice, to understand that what I’m doing is right. And I believe that this is all failing not only because the government has stolen everything, but because we, Russians, don’t feel that what we are doing is right.”
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2 Russian villages evacuated after fire at munitions depot
The residents of two villages in Russia’s Belgorod region on Ukraine’s northeastern border were evacuated after a fire at a munitions depot near the village of Timonovo, the region's governor said Friday.
There were no casualties in the late Thursday blaze, Gov. Vyacheslav Gladkov said.
The fire came days after another ammunition depot exploded on Ukraine's Black Sea peninsula of Crimea, a Russian-occupied territory seized by Moscow in 2014.
Last week, nine Russian warplanes were reported destroyed at an airbase on Crimea, demonstrating both the Russians’ vulnerability and the Ukrainians’ capacity to strike deep behind enemy lines. Ukrainian authorities have stopped short of publicly claiming responsibility.
But President Volodymyr Zelenskyy alluded to Ukrainian attacks behind enemy lines after the blasts in Crimea, which Russia has blamed on “sabotage.”
https://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2022-08-19/2-russian-vil
lages-evacuated-after-fire-at-munitions-depot
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