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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Monday, August 15, 2022 8:02 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
So we're back to Russia now since the FBI raid was a disaster for Democrats.

Who could have saw that coming?

Right. I did. I saw that coming.

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The latest story is "Republicans push to see affidavit that justified FBI search of Trump's home". It is not enough that the FBI found top secret documents in Trump's closet that should have been in a Pentagon vault. Now the Trumptards want to know how the FBI knew there would be top secret documents in Trump's closet. Next, the Trumptards will want to read the top secret documents. If the FBI won't allow it, then the Trumptards will claim the documents are NOT top secret.

What is the connection to Ukraine? Strange and illogical ideas in the heads of Trumptards and Russians. Russia said it was liberating the people of Ukraine from Nazis, but Russia did something very different: Russia tortured Ukrainians. Russia executed Ukrainian prisoners with a bullet in the back of the head. Russia destroyed $750 billion in Ukrainian homes. All very different than "liberating" the people of Ukraine. And the head "Nazi" of Ukraine? He told Putin: "Are you out of your mind, Mister Putin? Or are you just lying, you big murderer?"

Also Putin said Russia was NOT invading Ukraine because Ukraine is Russia. How can Russia invade Russia? More illogical nonsense from Putin. Kind of like Trump's nonsensical declaration that the top secret documents are now declassified because Trump, who is not President, declassified the classified documents while NOT being President, but forgot to inform Biden that the documents had been declassified.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Monday, August 15, 2022 8:04 PM

So we're back to Russia now since the FBI raid was a disaster for Democrats.

Who could have saw that coming?

Right. I did. I saw that coming.


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Monday, August 15, 2022 8:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
So we're back to Russia now since the FBI raid was a disaster for Democrats.

Who could have saw that coming?

Right. I did. I saw that coming.


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So, Trumptards want to close the FBI is a disaster for Democrats? If you are stupid, you would think so, but if you are smart you would see that the Trumptards cut their own throats in the next election, just as they did when they support the end of Roe v Wade.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Monday, August 15, 2022 10:07 PM

SECOND, get help.

In praise of Russia's tactics and strategies in Ukraine, by a Marine, as published in the Marine Corps Gazette
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2022/08/a-marines-assessment-of-russia
s-military-operation-in-ukraine-a-profound-appreciation-of-all-three-realms-in-which-wars-are-waged.html



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Tuesday, August 16, 2022 3:20 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, get help.

I'm pretty sure it is Russia that needs help: Ukraine hits Russian Wagner mercenary HQ in east

Last week, pro-Kremlin correspondent Sergei Sreda posted a photo on Telegram of the base with its apparent address.

This week, Ukraine blew up the HQ.

On Telegram, Governor Hayday wrote that Ukrainian forces "hit an enemy HQ whose whereabouts were established thanks to a Russian journalist".

"This time, the successful strike destroyed the Wagner PMC HQ in Popasna yesterday," he said.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62547403

P.S. Signym, the Winter War with Finland convinced Hitler to invade Russia. If Stalin had not invaded Finland and lost his army to a much smaller force, Hitler would not have invaded Russia. As Stalin did, so did Putin when he invaded Ukraine. The only thing stopping NATO from crushing a weak Russian Army is Russia's nukes. Too bad Stalin didn't get nukes until Aug. 29, 1949, long after Germany invaded a weak country run by a very unwise leader. Meanwhile, Finns have prospered mightily. Russians? Not so much. The GNP numbers per capita show that Russians are nincompoops compared to Finns.

First Soviet Test
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/bomb-soviet-tests/
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All of the scientists knew that their own personal fates depended on the success of the bomb. One of them later said that if it had failed they would have all been shot. As the story goes, Beria adopted a simple rule in deciding who should get what prize. Those who would have been shot if the bomb had failed, became Heroes of Socialist Labor; those who would have been imprisoned were awarded the less prestigious honor, the Order of Lenin.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Tuesday, August 16, 2022 4:26 AM

Will a Russian win in Ukraine clarify reality for you?

I doubt it.

Since you can't accept that Russia won WWII, current events will also bounce off your head.

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Tuesday, August 16, 2022 7:17 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Will a Russian win in Ukraine clarify reality for you?

I doubt it.

Since you can't accept that Russia won WWII, current events will also bounce off your head.

Since "winning" WWII meant 27 million dead Russians, I would hate to see what a loss would have looked like. I can see you didn't absorb the idea that Hitler would not have invaded Russia if Russia hadn't invaded Finland and then lost-lost-lost. That convinced Hitler Russia could be beaten. Hitler's Generals weren't as sure because German troops would be mostly walking into Russia, not riding in trucks, because there was a shortage of vehicles. The German Army was dependent on horses!
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Hitler planned to defeat the Soviet Union in the winter of 1941, but he mismanaged and mistimed the offensive, opposed by most generals who feared a war on two fronts. Hitler ignored terrain and weather, meddling in the military, arguing, and losing precious time. Seventy percent of German forces moved on foot. Colonel General Franz Halder predicted that each infantry division needed 4,500 horses and 2,000 horse-drawn wheeled vehicles. But the obstinate Hitler ignored advice.
https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/article/horses-the-mechanized-myth-o
f-the-eastern-front
/

If Zelenskyy makes military decisions as badly as Hitler made, against all the advice of his best generals, Ukraine will lose as decisively to Russia as Germany lost to Russia. Finland beat Russia because Finland's Field Marshal Mannerheim refused to entertain stupid ideas from Finnish politicians or even from Hitler.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Gustaf_Emil_Mannerheim#Visit_by_Ado
lf_Hitler


World War II casualties
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#Total_deaths_by_
country


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Tuesday, August 16, 2022 8:01 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
So we're back to Russia now since the FBI raid was a disaster for Democrats.

Who could have saw that coming?

Right. I did. I saw that coming.


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Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus

So, Trumptards want to close the FBI is a disaster for Democrats? If you are stupid, you would think so, but if you are smart you would see that the Trumptards cut their own throats in the next election, just as they did when they support the end of Roe v Wade.



The error in your logic is that most Democrats agree.

Not the loud and stupid ones like you, but most of the rest of them do.

And they're not buying any of your bullshit right now because of inflation.



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Tuesday, August 16, 2022 8:43 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Will a Russian win in Ukraine clarify reality for you?

I doubt it.

Since you can't accept that Russia won WWII, current events will also bounce off your head.

Since "winning" WWII meant 27 million dead Russians, I would hate to see what a loss would have looked like. I can see you didn't absorb the idea that Hitler would not have invaded Russia if Russia hadn't invaded Finland

Germany needed Russian oil for its war machine. Germany STILL needs foreign oil. And foreign gas, too, and Russia is the most geographically convenient source. Just watch its economy implode this winter. Along with its government.


I don't know what kind of version of history you've convinced yourself of, but it sure is fucked up.

Oh, BTW, for every dead Russian soldier there are probably ten dead Kiev soldiers. Not only is Kiev going to lose in the geographic sense, it's going to lose the war of attrition. Yanno, kind of like the Confederate south. If Russia leaves a rump Ukraine that will be by far the poorest country in Europe. It will take at least 30 years to recover, unless the west hemorrhages more $$$ into that corrupt cluster-fuck.

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Tuesday, August 16, 2022 9:13 AM

Assuming for the sake of argument that Russia wins convincingly in Ukraine, what comes next? All of the agitation in the Baltics, Serbia, Finland and even further (Taiwan, Africa etc) is all ostensibly about "Save Ukraine!!" what does the EU do if the balloon deflates? The USA, being geographically distant, can just cut ties and support to Ukraine and pretend it never happened, like Afghanistan, but the EU is left with the economic, political, and migrant fallout.

Current governments will never be able to back down or reverse gear. I think they'll carry on in their snit with Russia. But since that will lead to such dire economic and social consequences for some nations - Germany, UK, and the Baltics- that will probably lead to changes in government. Some EU nations might rethink their unwavering support of NATO, seeing NATO as toothless. That might lead to different EU nations with different foreign policies re: Russia, which certainly wouldn't help EU or NATO unity.

Anyway, just spitballing and trying to predict the future.

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