What is Putin's end game?
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Quote:That's like saying that no surrender agreement is legit, bc the surrendering nations have guns held to their heads. So I guess we can negate Germany's and Japan's surrender, and while we're at it, undo the surrender of the South (since they lost the civil war) and undo our victory over the Brits, too.
JAYNEZTOWN:
There are reporst Putin is testing out his new Military toys of Death
tested new missile? The latest hypersonic weapon
SIGNY: The weapons have already been tested.
What Russia is doing is called "turning up the pain dial".
It's second function was "sending a message to the west" (considering the target).
It took me way too long to figure out Russia's approach, but basically military ops and negotiations are in a horse race. Either Zelensky will surrender before his army is destroyed or... he won't. Either way, Russia is happy with the outcome. Zelenskiy decides which happens first.
"Z" needs to estimate the end date of his army, and decide how much he wants to salvage, if any. At least he's come to the realization that NATO membership and ano-fly zone are out of the question, altho I think he's still clinging to the hope that someone is going to swoop in and pull his bacon out of the fire (maybe with a "false flag").
Military equipment bores me to tears, but Russia has a whole array of fully-tested modern missiles: the Kinzal (rocket), Kalibr, Zircon (air breather), and Islander. There are others, but I frankly have no interest in remembering them all
https://warsawinstitute.org/putins-nuclear-showcase-amid-possible-inva
sion-ukraine/
THUGR: You keep lying to yourself Signym, that’s what you’re good at.
Zelensky will lie to get Russia out. No agreement signed by the Ukrainian President will be legit since he has a gun held to his head.
Really, you are unbelievably stupid.
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Quote:Snarky but stupid comments don't change reality.
SignyM:
The weapons have already been tested.
What Russia is doing is called "turning up the pain dial".
CAPON: On themselves? They can't find the freaking dial. All pain, no dial.
Quote:Snarky but stupid comments don't change reality.
Originally posted by SignyM:
It took me way too long to figure out Russia's approach,
CAPON: You should call someone because they clearly haven't figured it out.
Quote:Yes, it is. This is like the liberation of Aleppo, which took well over a month of slow, careful teasing apart of civvies from terrorists. Eventually Aleppo was freed with minimized civilian and infrastructure losses. Ukraine is bigger.
SignyM:
but basically military ops and negotiations are in a horse race. Either Zelensky will surrender before his army is destroyed or... he won't. Either way, Russia is happy with the outcome. Zelenskiy decides which happens first.
CAPON:That's one slow fcking horse race.
Quote:The internet is your friend. You, too, could look this shit up if you wanted to know/weren't too brainwashed to learn a few facts.
SignyM:
"Z" needs to estimate the end date of his army, and decide how much he wants to salvage, if any. At least he's come to the realization that NATO membership and ano-fly zone are out of the question, altho I think he's still clinging to the hope that someone is going to swoop in and pull his bacon out of the fire (maybe with a "false flag")...
Military equipment bores me to tears, but Russia has a whole array of fully-tested modern missiles: the Kinzal (rocket), Kalibr, Zircon (air breather), and Islander. There are others, but I frankly have no interest in remembering them all
https://warsawinstitute.org/putins-nuclear-showcase-amid-possible-inva
sion-ukraine/
CAPON: You're too modest. You certainly know a lot more about Russian weapons than any other American I know.
BTW it's ISKANDER, not Islander. The K and L are right next to each other. You would have caught that mistake and perhaps learned even more if you had bothered to inform yourself.
Quote:Unlike us, the Russians don't flatten everything with bombs for three weeks before strolling in. They don't "blitzkrieg".
With all that knowledge maybe you can explain why this 48-72 hour blitzkrieg to Kyiv is taking 4 weeks? Are they saving gas? Did they run out of gas?
I heard an interesting analysis of the American way of war exemplified by Iraq: bomb everything to rubble ... civilians, military, water mains, electrical generating stations, etc ... for three weeks, have the military stroll in, then call in another air strike of anything is still moving. "The American military [ground forces] don't know how to FIGHT." was the summary.
Quote:No. The generals today are the same as the ones five, ten years ago. There has been no shakeup in the milt command except the dismissal (2015?) of the Admiral of the North Sea fleet for faking readiness reports.
CAPON: I'm reading some distressing things about the condition of the Russian military. Total corruption on every level. Russian thieves stealing from the military. If generals/military get too good the Kremlin worries about a coup and cleanses them and installs new people who have no training. Have you heard about those things?
OTOH "Z" is swapping out generals now. Doesn't sound like he's "winning", does it?
Quote:Kazakhstan.
CAPON: heard there's a general cleansing after every foreign operation just to be safe...? But then, what was their last real operation? Crimea
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Oh yeah, that tank battalion that rolled into Crimea and was suppose to be so amazing just got destroyed about a week ago. Javelins from Uncle Sam I think. Crimea was not a real military operation, so can't blame them for being under trained and over hyped. [/quotNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Artillery Hits Dense, Civilian Occupied Area in Donetsk
https://funker530.com/video/nsfw-artillery-hits-dense-civilian-occupie
d-area-in-donetsk/
Gorka: Biden Day Late, Dollar Short On Ukraine Aid
https://rumble.com/vxla44-gorka-biden-day-late-dollar-short-on-ukraine
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All of those refugee eyewitnesses. 3 million, they say.
What are THEIR observations?
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Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov says only Fox is presenting an ‘alternative point of view’ rather than ‘information terrorism’
Sergei Lavrov praised Fox News for its coverage of war in Ukraine, appearing on the Russian state-controlled RT network to hail the right-leaning US cable channel, whose primetime host Tucker Carlson has played down the invasion.
“We know the manners and the tricks that are being used by the western countries to manipulate media, we understood long ago that there is no such thing as an independent western media,” said Lavrov, speaking in English in a studio interview on Friday.
“If you take the United States, only Fox News is trying to present some alternative point of view,” he said.
He also denounced the social media ban of former president Donald Trump and took exception to the description of January 6 rioters as terrorists.
“But when you watch other channels, read the social networks and internet platforms, when the acting president was blocked and this censorship continues in a very big way … Whenever something is happening by the way of mass protest, mass demonstrations – which they don’t like – they immediately call it domestic terrorism.
“So it’s a war, and it’s a war which involves the methods of information terrorism,” he said.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/18/sergei-lavrov-praises-fo
x-news-coverage-ukraine
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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So basically the USA media is conducting a psyop for neocons.
I knew that already. I expect nothing less. Russia is probably doing something similar to its own people.
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Originally posted by second:
Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov says only Fox is presenting an ‘alternative point of view’ rather than ‘information terrorism’
Sergei Lavrov praised Fox News for its coverage of war in Ukraine, appearing on the Russian state-controlled RT network to hail the right-leaning US cable channel, whose primetime host Tucker Carlson has played down the invasion.
“We know the manners and the tricks that are being used by the western countries to manipulate media, we understood long ago that there is no such thing as an independent western media,” said Lavrov, speaking in English in a studio interview on Friday.
“If you take the United States, only Fox News is trying to present some alternative point of view,” he said.
He also denounced the social media ban of former president Donald Trump and took exception to the description of January 6 rioters as terrorists.
“But when you watch other channels, read the social networks and internet platforms, when the acting president was blocked and this censorship continues in a very big way … Whenever something is happening by the way of mass protest, mass demonstrations – which they don’t like – they immediately call it domestic terrorism.
“So it’s a war, and it’s a war which involves the methods of information terrorism,” he said.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/18/sergei-lavrov-praises-fo
x-news-coverage-ukraine
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
I agree. Except FOX News is fake news too.
Leftists are information terrorists. FOX is selling boner pills to seniors.
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Quote:I presume you didn't click on the article, which continued:
Originally posted by SignyM:
So basically the USA media is conducting a psyop for neocons.
I knew that already. I expect nothing less. Russia is probably doing something similar to its own people.
The mental split-screen effect only sharpened earlier this week when a Fox news team on the ground in Ukraine came under Russian fire on the frontline.
Cameraman Pierre Zakrzewski and producer Oleksandra Kuvshynova were both killed during a Russian attack outside the Ukrainian capital, Kyiv. Correspondent Benjamin Hall was badly wounded in the incident. (There is nothing more emphatic than a bullet to make a point that Russians are killing civilians, despite Putin's mouthpieces claiming civilians aren't deliberate targets. Typically, the Russian mouthpiece would automatically say that the bullet was fired by Ukraine. It is so inexpensive for a mouthpiece to lie, since words are far more abundant and cheaper than bullets.)
Russian apologism by numerous Fox hosts, commentators and guests was being corrected on air by the network’s own national security correspondent, Jennifer Griffin.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/18/sergei-lavrov-praises-fo
x-news-coverage-ukraine
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Oh, you're such a bullshit artist, SECOND. If civilians get killed it doesn't mean that civilians are DELIBERATELY targeted. Surely, as a person who used to shoot at people from a helicopter, you should know the difference!
This is, after all, war and people do get killed.
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Quote:If you'd been in a real war, and were also the kind of warrior that does not get confused, fearful or enraged when the decibel level is painfully loud, you would notice that most people around you should not be warriors because they waste ammo by firing without aiming. The result is that these wannabe warriors kill at random. I would call it deliberate killing while the wannabes would call it something that makes them not responsible for what they do, such as "collateral damage". The wannabe warriors are confused between winning a war and killing as many as possible, with the confusion being that these two are the same when in reality the two are very different. That's why Putin started the Ukraine war by bluntly telling the world he'd nuke it if the world tried to stop him. Putin is ridiculously and absolutely confused about how to win a war when he threatens to use nukes, a weapon that is nothing but "collateral damage". As far as I can tell, Putin is nothing but a wannabe warrior, as was Trump when he threatened "I will rain fire and fury the likes of which the world has never seen." Trump obviously has a problem controlling his mouth, as does Putin:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, you're such a bullshit artist, SECOND. If civilians get killed it doesn't mean that civilians are DELIBERATELY targeted. Surely, as a person who used to shoot at people from a helicopter, you should know the difference!
This is, after all, war and people do get killed.
Putin Threatens to Nuke the World
https://www.newsweek.com/putin-threatens-nuke-world-opinion-1685241
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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