What is Putin's end game?

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CAPTAINCRUNCH

Sunday, March 20, 2022 3:14 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:OMG Sig! Thx for showing those images of nazis in Ukraine! Looks like Charlottesville or Proud Boyz!

Uh, remind why how that justifies Putin invading Ukraine and killing civilians?

To prevent the genocide of Russian speaking Ukrainians.

Dugin! Dugin! Dugin! So genocide Ukies is okay? Putin’s version of the Stalin Purges are on in Ukraine. And Russia.

History repeats. All for one evil prick. Russia should work on genociding that fcker.

SECOND

Sunday, March 20, 2022 3:49 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
To prevent the genocide of Russian speaking Ukrainians.

1) Putin said his forces invaded Ukraine because a genocide was underway against Russian-speakers. People in Ukraine say that claim is a hoax.
https://www.npr.org/2022/03/11/1085979641/putin-claims-russia-speakers
-were-being-killed-in-ukraine-is-that-true

2) Putin said the genocide of Ukrainians did NOT happen in 1932-1934. Putin said it's a hoax.
https://www.acton.org/publications/transatlantic/2017/11/27/russia-sti
ll-denies-holodomor-was-genocide

3) Ukraine is still infuriated about the genocide of Ukrainians by Russians. That fury is no hoax.
Starved peasants on a street in Kharkiv, 1933

Ukraine Oblast Deaths (1932-1934)
Kyiv Oblast 1,110,800
Kharkiv Oblast 1,037,600
Vinnytsia Oblast 545,500
Dnipropetrovsk Oblast 368,400
Odesa Oblast 326,900
Chernihiv Oblast 254,200
Stalino Oblast 230,800
Tyraspol 68,300
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

SIGNYM

Sunday, March 20, 2022 7:08 AM

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
There are reporst Putin is testing out his new Military toys of Death

tested new missile? The latest hypersonic weapon

The weapons have already been tested.
What Russia is doing is called "turning up the pain dial".
It's second function was "sending a message to the west" (considering the target).

It took me way too long to figure out Russia's approach, but basically military ops and negotiations are in a horse race. Either Zelensky will surrender before his army is destroyed or... he won't. Either way, Russia is happy with the outcome. Zelenskiy decides which happens first.

"Z" needs to estimate the end date of his army, and decide how much he wants to salvage, if any. At least he's come to the realization that NATO membership and ano-fly zone are out of the question, altho I think he's still clinging to the hope that someone is going to swoop in and pull his bacon out of the fire (maybe with a "false flag").

Military equipment bores me to tears, but Russia has a whole array of fully-tested modern missiles: the Kinzal (rocket), Kalibr, Zircon (air breather), and Islander. There are others, but I frankly have no interest in remembering them all
https://warsawinstitute.org/putins-nuclear-showcase-amid-possible-inva
sion-ukraine/

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

SIGNYM

Sunday, March 20, 2022 9:18 AM

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The areas that Armstrong, Doctorow and I describe have largely Russian speaking pro-Russian populations. Yesterday some 30,000 people left the besiege Mariupol and several of them were interviewed. They all spoke out against the Azov Nazis who still hold parts of the city. They likely would not mind to become citizens of a newly founded Novorossiya that does not submit to a Russian hating government in Kiev or elsewhere.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/03/what-will-be-the-geographic-end-
state-of-the-war-in-ukraine.html#more

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, March 20, 2022 9:43 AM

At the end of the day, my predictions for all of this gaslight is that the eastern part of Ukraine will be completely stripped of all military and will essentially belong to Russia along with Crimea, and the rest of the Ukraine will put in writing that they will not join NATO in the future.

It's the only way this ever ends. It's the only way it ever was going to end.

Biden* will be able to add this to his ever-growing list of failures, and China and Russia will become even stronger in relation to the US/Western alliance, all while the US dollar becomes increasingly threatened to be a relic of the past.

All this political theater is just one more chapter in the story about how we developed a centralized one-world currency and enslaved humanity with it.

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Me: "Remember Covid?"

Useless Idiots: "What's Covid, durr? Russia, Ukraine, Putin, NATO *drool*. DURRRR!!!!"

JAYNEZTOWN

Sunday, March 20, 2022 5:42 PM

American military expert explains 'slow Russian advance in Ukraine
https://www.bignewsnetwork.com/news/272396124/american-military-expert
-explains-slow-russian-advance-in-ukraine

IOC removes Belarus coaches after they ordered sprinter to return home
https://thedailycable.co/08/06/politics/199734/ioc-removes-belarus-coa
ches-after-they-ordered-sprinter-to-return-home/

Pope says 'slaughters and atrocities' committed daily in Ukraine
https://ground.news/article/pope-says-slaughters-and-atrocities-commit
ted-daily-in-ukraine_590712

Liz Cheney Blasts 'Putin Wing of the GOP' After Ret. Col. Macgregor's Zelensky Remarks
https://www.newsweek.com/liz-cheney-blasts-putin-wing-gop-macgregor-ze
lensky-remarks-1685269

Europe KyivUkraine war: Thousands of Mariupol residents 'forcibly' taken to Russia, mayor claims
https://ground.news/article/ukraine-war-thousands-of-mariupol-resident
s-forcibly-taken-to-russia-mayor-claims_b13c3f

Russia claims to hit Ukraine with hypersonic missile, expert warns it is part of Putin’s ‘strategic plan’
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/russia-claims-hit-ukraine-hypersonic-2025238
33.html

Putin fires hypersonic missile capable of Mach 10 at Ukrainian target
https://euroweeklynews.com/2022/03/19/putin-fires-hypersonic-missile-c
apable-of-mach-10-at-ukrainian-target/

SIGNYM

Sunday, March 20, 2022 6:16 PM

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Another letter from people who managed to get out of Mariupol. Emotional, chaotic, saturated with resentment against the Ukrainian authorities and the military.

“Now Kolya’s sister from Belgium was talking to their cousin Sasha from Mariupol… she got out, alive, but covered in burns and with a broken psyche. Now in Taganrog.

Mariupol is full of horror. This Sasha from Mariupol is cursing the Ukrainian military. They staged this massacre in the city …. Residents were not released, those who tried to leave were shot. Before Sasha’s eyes, two buses with the inscription “Children” were blown up, it was a convoy of cars that the Russians covered so that the inhabitants left the city, and at that time they were fired upon …

In the city, corpses are right on the roads, no one cleans them up. According to Sasha, the Ukrainian military simply entered any apartment (if they needed a location for shelling) and killed the residents. She saw how people were thrown from the balcony.

When the Russians entered the city, they began to rescue the inhabitants from the rubble (there, too, the Ukrainian Nazis themselves blew up many houses in order to have more victims, Ukrainian snipers began to fire at them, they continued to save the wounded people …. Sasha curses Zelensky. And asks Marina (sisters Kolya) where do you get such news in the west? There is not a single eyewitness journalist in Mariupol … “

http://thesaker.is/boris-rozhin-detailed-discussion-of-the-situation-i
n-the-ukraine/

One of the things I was wondering about was the lack of eyewitness reports or refugee testimony. With 3 million refugees, you'd think they would be anxious to tell their stories and that the press would be anxious to pick those stories up.

I read, for example, refugee statements on the IRC website, and I noticed a few things:

They were all from the Polish border. Does the IRC not operate Russia, Hungary etc?

Even so, altho you would expect those fleeing into Poland to be more pro-western, there were NO anti-Russian/ pro-Ukrainian statements anywhere. In fact, the statements, altho they are given as direct quotes, have been carefully scrubbed of anything political, most likely bc of IRC policy, and don't reflect the real feelings of the refugees.

Anyway, with 3 million eyewitnesses, you'd think the press would be awash in eyewitness statements on ALL sides, but the silence is deafening.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

THG

Sunday, March 20, 2022 7:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
There are reporst Putin is testing out his new Military toys of Death

tested new missile? The latest hypersonic weapon

The weapons have already been tested.
What Russia is doing is called "turning up the pain dial".
It's second function was "sending a message to the west" (considering the target).

It took me way too long to figure out Russia's approach, but basically military ops and negotiations are in a horse race. Either Zelensky will surrender before his army is destroyed or... he won't. Either way, Russia is happy with the outcome. Zelenskiy decides which happens first.

"Z" needs to estimate the end date of his army, and decide how much he wants to salvage, if any. At least he's come to the realization that NATO membership and ano-fly zone are out of the question, altho I think he's still clinging to the hope that someone is going to swoop in and pull his bacon out of the fire (maybe with a "false flag").

Military equipment bores me to tears, but Russia has a whole array of fully-tested modern missiles: the Kinzal (rocket), Kalibr, Zircon (air breather), and Islander. There are others, but I frankly have no interest in remembering them all
https://warsawinstitute.org/putins-nuclear-showcase-amid-possible-inva
sion-ukraine/

You keep lying to yourself Signym, that’s what you’re good at.

Zelensky will lie to get Russia out. No agreement signed by the Ukrainian President will be legit since he has a gun held to his head. Then as Ukraine rebuilds accepting them into NATO will happen at record speed. Not having Ukraine in NATO is what allowed this to happen. Europe will do anything to avoid this happening again. Zelensky will explain how Putin broke all previous agreements allowing him to do the same.

No way will Russia have enough of an army left to go back. No way will Russia have money to field another campaign. The sanctions will stay in place until there are no Russians left in Ukraine.

All the while the Ukraine will be made beautiful again as Russians are reduced to living in squalor.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, March 20, 2022 7:47 PM

Fake war is fake.

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Me: "Remember Covid?"

Useless Idiots: "What's Covid, durr? Russia, Ukraine, Putin, NATO *drool*. DURRRR!!!!"

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Sunday, March 20, 2022 9:09 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
The weapons have already been tested.
What Russia is doing is called "turning up the pain dial".

On themselves? They can't find the freaking dial. All pain, no dial.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
It took me way too long to figure out Russia's approach,

You should call someone because they clearly haven't figured it out.

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
but basically military ops and negotiations are in a horse race. Either Zelensky will surrender before his army is destroyed or... he won't. Either way, Russia is happy with the outcome. Zelenskiy decides which happens first.

That's one slow fcking horse race.

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
"Z" needs to estimate the end date of his army, and decide how much he wants to salvage, if any. At least he's come to the realization that NATO membership and ano-fly zone are out of the question, altho I think he's still clinging to the hope that someone is going to swoop in and pull his bacon out of the fire (maybe with a "false flag").

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Military equipment bores me to tears, but Russia has a whole array of fully-tested modern missiles: the Kinzal (rocket), Kalibr, Zircon (air breather), and Islander. There are others, but I frankly have no interest in remembering them all
https://warsawinstitute.org/putins-nuclear-showcase-amid-possible-inva
sion-ukraine/

You're too modest. You certainly know a lot more about Russian weapons than any other American I know.

With all that knowledge maybe you can explain why this 48-72 hour blitzkrieg to Kyiv is taking 4 weeks? Are they saving gas? Did they run out of gas?

I'm reading some distressing things about the condition of the Russian military. Total corruption on every level. Russian thieves stealing from the military. If generals/military get too good the Kremlin worries about a coup and cleanses them and installs new people who have no training. Have you heard about those things? I heard there's a general cleansing after every foreign operation just to be safe...? But then, what was their last real operation? Crimea? Oh yeah, that tank battalion that rolled into Crimea and was suppose to be so amazing just got destroyed about a week ago. Javelins from Uncle Sam I think. Crimea was not a real military operation, so can't blame them for being under trained and over hyped.

I'm hearing some disparaging things about their nukes too. Not taken care of very well. Maintenance fees going into the wrong pockets. Corruption on every level.

I'm also reading about how a lot of (smart) Russians have fled the country. Huge numbers. It has this effect of leaving the dummies behind. Imagine an entire nation of Trumptards and you get the idea.

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