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...It seems some Vaccines work better than others, while others work not so good?

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Monday, March 22, 2021 4:36 PM

The EU is ‘set to block AstraZeneca exports' into Britain?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/astrazeneca-vaccine-eu
-uk-covid-b1820339.html


Prime Minister Boris Johnson is expected to speak to EU leaders

https://www.scotsman.com/health/coronavirus/boris-johnson-to-call-eu-l
eaders-in-attempt-to-stop-potential-covid-vaccine-export-ban-3173539


Pfizer COVID19 Vaccine: “Reg 174 Information for UK Healthcare Professionals” (used for informed consent in UK) https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-pfiz
er-biontech-vaccine-for-covid-19/information-for-healthcare-professionals-on-pfizerbiontech-covid-19-vaccine
...4.6 Fertility, pregnancy and lactation Pregnancy There are no or limited amount of data from the use of COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2. Animal reproductive toxicity studies have not been completed. COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 is not recommended during pregnancy. For women of childbearing age, pregnancy should be excluded before vaccination. In addition, women of childbearing age should be advised to avoid pregnancy for at least 2 months after their second dose. Breast-feeding It is unknown whether COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 is excreted in human milk.

Dr. Wodarg and Dr. Yeadon request a stop of all corona vaccination studies and call for co-signing the petition Dec 01 2020 https://2020news.de/en/dr-wodarg-and-dr-yeadon-request-a-stop-of-all-c
orona-vaccination-studies-and-call-for-co-signing-the-petition
...The vaccinations are expected to produce antibodies against spike proteins of SARS-CoV-2. However, spike proteins also contain syncytin-homologous proteins, which are essential for the formation of the placenta in mammals such as humans. It must be absolutely ruled out that a vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 could trigger an immune reaction against syncytin-1, as otherwise infertility of indefinite duration could result in vaccinated women.

Suspicions grow that nanoparticles in Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine trigger rare allergic reactions Dec 21 2020 https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/12/suspicions-grow-nanoparticles-
pfizer-s-covid-19-vaccine-trigger-rare-allergic-reactions

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Monday, March 22, 2021 9:34 PM

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...The vaccinations are expected to produce antibodies against spike proteins of SARS-CoV-2. However, spike proteins also contain syncytin-homologous proteins, which are essential for the formation of the placenta in mammals such as humans. It must be absolutely ruled out that a vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 could trigger an immune reaction against syncytin-1, as otherwise infertility of indefinite duration could result in vaccinated women.



So...

Anybody watch Utopia yet?


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Monday, March 22, 2021 10:00 PM

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
The EU is ‘set to block AstraZeneca exports' into Britain?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/astrazeneca-vaccine-eu
-uk-covid-b1820339.html


Prime Minister Boris Johnson is expected to speak to EU leaders

https://www.scotsman.com/health/coronavirus/boris-johnson-to-call-eu-l
eaders-in-attempt-to-stop-potential-covid-vaccine-export-ban-3173539


Pfizer COVID19 Vaccine: “Reg 174 Information for UK Healthcare Professionals” (used for informed consent in UK) https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-pfiz
er-biontech-vaccine-for-covid-19/information-for-healthcare-professionals-on-pfizerbiontech-covid-19-vaccine
...4.6 Fertility, pregnancy and lactation Pregnancy There are no or limited amount of data from the use of COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2. Animal reproductive toxicity studies have not been completed. COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 is not recommended during pregnancy. For women of childbearing age, pregnancy should be excluded before vaccination. In addition, women of childbearing age should be advised to avoid pregnancy for at least 2 months after their second dose. Breast-feeding It is unknown whether COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 is excreted in human milk.

Dr. Wodarg and Dr. Yeadon request a stop of all corona vaccination studies and call for co-signing the petition Dec 01 2020 https://2020news.de/en/dr-wodarg-and-dr-yeadon-request-a-stop-of-all-c
orona-vaccination-studies-and-call-for-co-signing-the-petition
...The vaccinations are expected to produce antibodies against spike proteins of SARS-CoV-2. However, spike proteins also contain syncytin-homologous proteins, which are essential for the formation of the placenta in mammals such as humans. It must be absolutely ruled out that a vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 could trigger an immune reaction against syncytin-1, as otherwise infertility of indefinite duration could result in vaccinated women.

Suspicions grow that nanoparticles in Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine trigger rare allergic reactions Dec 21 2020 https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/12/suspicions-grow-nanoparticles-
pfizer-s-covid-19-vaccine-trigger-rare-allergic-reactions



You have to realize that Covid-19 virus can ALSO potentially produce the same cross-reaction with syncytin. It's not as if the vaccine is introducing a NEW side effect; you'd get that anyway if you simply got infected with the actual virus.

We used to have a rabid anti-vaxxer here. I forget her name, but she was kind of sick in the head. Took her children and fled to Argentina (IIRC) over the whole issue.

I tried to explain that getting German measles or polio or pertussis was far riskier than getting a vaccine. After all, think of Helen Keller: her blindness and deafness wa a result of a measles infection.

So not only do you get to experience the full-blown disease, with all of its risks (potentialy fatal laryngeal swelling, high fevers, paralysis etc), but you also get to experience the rarer side effects that come with it- brain damage, etc.

It's a numbers game: With something as easily spread as SARS-CoV2 (and getting easier with every variant, it seems) the likelihood is that almost everyone will get it, sooner or later. So for every woman of childbrearing age there is the very real possibility that THE VIRUS ITSELF will compromise their fertility, EVEN IF they had only mild (or no) symptoms.

One way to suss out if this is a real problem is by looking at the rate of spontaneous abortions among women of childbearing years who've had the virus OR the vaccination. Since the rate of spontaneous abortions is naturally quite high (30 pct, I've read)the virus/vaccine would have to do something quite dramatic in order to be noticeable.

I know, I know ... I've read quite lengthy and well-researched articles about Bill Gates' vaccine research in the Philippines 20 years ago

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Monday, March 22, 2021 10:21 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Covid-19 virus can ALSO potentially produce the same cross-reaction with syncytin.
It's not as if the vaccine is introducing a NEW side effect; you'd get that anyway if you simply got infected with the actual virus.



If this is true, than China unleashing this virus on the rest of the world was an act of war on the rest of the world.

And if that's true, then the only reason our collective governments and media outlets are not talking about it is because this was all planned from the beginning.

Making the virus originate from China was the only place that would make any sense. They're big enough, populous enough and have enough money to be a legitimate military threat. We've been propping them up since the Clinton administration to the point that they're "too big to fail". We know almost NOTHING about them, and what little we do "know" might not even be true because of how locked down their countrymen are compared to most of the rest of the world on the internet. Add to that a complicit multi-national corporate media and corrupt US government, and China is the perfect place to keep secrets hidden in plain sight.


Was China just greenlit to unleash a virus that is going to make half of the world population or more infertile whether you get a vaccine or build your own autoimmune defense?



If so, I have but three questions:

1. Who was in on it?
2. How did they decide who can and can't have kids? (and how was that implemented... I doubt very much they intentionally left anything to chance, and I don't believe any "research" that claims we don't have the ability to target who and how viruses attack in 2020).
3. What did the Chinese government get (or think they got) out of the deal?


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Monday, March 22, 2021 10:41 PM

It may not have been China deliberately. May have been a lab accident, especially with the virus as transmissible as SARS-CoV2.

The Wuhan lab was a CONTRACT LAB doing "gain of function" research on coronaviruses, but ... as I understand it ... they were getting paid by several USA companies. (Most ppl don't realize but many biomedical/pharma companies contract out their high-volume drug search/viral/sequencing work to China.)

It would take some serious investigation to find out who was paying them, and to do what, but the early reporting that I read which tracks back to the USA seems to have been quashed. Or maybe it was bogus to begin with. But that information would be vital to understanding what happened, and so far seems to be mostly missing from official reports/M$M, so all we're left with is conjecture and equivocal evidence.

I know Bill Gates was implicated pretty heavily in a flu jab test that seemed to have anti-pregnancy properties a couple of decades ago. I would look rather deeply into whether the Gates Foundation or any subsidiary or affiliate was using the Wuhan lab for that kind of research.

EDITED TO ADD: And Nature, being the joker that she is, rolls the dice every time a virus replicates. Which is why we should be investigating EXACTLY what kind of work the Wuhan lab was doing, and for who. The records certainly existed (altho they may have been expunged by now, on both ends of the contract(s)). People definitely know. That kind of work isn't done by accident.

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Monday, March 22, 2021 11:03 PM

The point is that you're never going to know the true answers. Even if reports are done, why would anybody ever trust them?

That's why China's the perfect place to do this. We shouldn't believe anything reported on China no matter who is the source reporting on them in the first place. There is an endless supply of points of failure between the source and the news getting out to the public.

And when the largest part of your plan is wedged deep in the middle of a country that you can't even trust their weather reports, it gives anybody else who may have been coordinating anything with them all but immunity in their deniability. No one will ever be held accountable for this. And if somebody ever is, you have no reason to believe that they were nothing but a scapegoat thrown under the bus while the true perpetrators names are never even known.


I'm sure I've put in the prediction threads (or others have done it for me) long before the Covid crap that smarter and much more powerful people than any of us are working on the overpopulation problem (which IS very much a problem, despite the fact you get attacked for acknowledging that it is).

Maybe they solved it?

I just hope they really knew what they were doing if this is what went down.

Nature has a way of thwarting know-it-all humans who think they had their bases covered when they were tampering with things they didn't actually truly understand.


What lies at the bottom of Pandora's Box?


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Monday, March 22, 2021 11:32 PM

Of course. we will never know. But as I've posted before, you can gain information from holes in the "reporting". Has anyone seen results of an investigation into what the Wuhan lab was doing, and for who? And why not?

Hubris lies at the bottom of Pandora's box.

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Monday, March 22, 2021 11:36 PM


I want to point out that this: "Dr. Wodarg and Dr. Yeadon request a stop of all corona vaccination studies and call for co-signing the petition" and this "Suspicions grow that nanoparticles in Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine trigger rare allergic reactions" were published December 1, 2020 and lots ... and lots ... of data has been gathered since then.



https://2020news.de/en/dr-wodarg-and-dr-yeadon-request-a-stop-of-all-c
orona-vaccination-studies-and-call-for-co-signing-the-petition
/

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/12/suspicions-grow-nanoparticles-
pfizer-s-covid-19-vaccine-trigger-rare-allergic-reactions

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Tuesday, March 23, 2021 12:32 AM


As for the vaccines themselves ...

The first step of a viral infection is when a virus uses an outer-shell protein to link itself to a cell. Sometimes these links are very specific in terms of what they can attach to. That's why there can be viruses that only infect a very few species.

With SARS-CoV-2 that outer-shell protein is called the 'spike protein'.

A 'neutralizing' antibody is one which attaches-to and covers the outer-shell viral protein that links the virus to human cells. That prevents the infection from even starting in the first place. And a vaccine that provokes a neutralizing antibody is called a neutralizing vaccine.

When the mRNA (Pfizer/Biontech and Moderna) or DNA/adenovirus (J&J, AstraZeneca, and Sputnik V) vaccines were developed, different sections of the spike protein were selected by different development groups. But each vaccine has a single, unique part of the protein it uses to create immunity to SARS-CoV-2.

That said, the body's immune system does break the selected protein sections into different fragments to create antibodies. So the immune response isn't a 'monoclonal' antibody - ie, a single antibody - but rather, a collection of antibodies to fragments of that portion of the spike protein.

The differences between the mRNA vaccines and the DNA vaccines are that the mRNA vaccines simply provide a template for protein manufacture for the cell's protein manufacturing system. (They're also unstable because they consist of a 'naked' single-stranded mRNA structure that can be easily deformed into uselessness, which is why they need to be kept ultra-cold).

The DNA/adenovirus vaccines are 'engineered' adeno (cold-like) double-stranded DNA viruses that've been engineered to not replicate (the DNA section that starts adeno-viral replication has been removed - it's like the tab in a zipper that has not only been removed, that whole mechanism has been mangled) and ALSO to contain a select DNA-represented portion of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein. It's further upstream in the cell protein-production chain. It enters the nucleus of the cell and instructs the cell to make the RNA from the DNA. The complication from those vaccines might come from the adenovirus DNA that's part of the vaccine. The body might be programmed against adenovirus as well.

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Tuesday, March 23, 2021 10:04 AM

Germany Halts Corona Virus Vaccine
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=atATZ_1616458548
'AstraZeneca and just about all of the vaccines appear to have problems'?

maybe not, Sterghios Moschos a virologist says the vaccine is lower risk then getting the virus
the vaccine might be safer than first thought

but maybe AstraZeneca Oxford was not clear about possible 'risks'

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