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new deadly human-to-human-transmissible coronavirus emerges out of China

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Sunday, January 10, 2021 4:00 AM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:


‘Our New York Moment’: Virus Surges in Southern California

In the coming days, Los Angeles County will reach a level where one in 10 residents has tested positive for the coronavirus.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/09/us/california-coronavirus.html

To put that in perspective, the US has a tot al of 22,060,588 confirmed cases ( https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html) or about 6.8% of the population.

And this despite the ongoing lockdowns.

This virus is (as Chris Martensen says) like the honey badger: if it can't get out one way, it will find another...

Please take a few moments to enjoy this video about Stoffel the honey badger



So redoing my calculations, out of 100 people in a small grocery store, 10 will be infected. Or, out of 200 people in a medium-sized grocery store, 20 will be infected. Of those, maybe 3 will be pre-/symptomatic and contagious. And aerosols can linger in the air for hours.

That isn't a situation that stupid masks can alleviate. The only real protection in an N95 or equivalent (or better). Even then, they're ony 95% effective, so if you walk thru an aerosol cloud you may get a lower inoculum which might give your body time to fight it off... or not... but really, EVERYONE should be wearing N95 or equivalent because then the reduction in viral particles would be about 99.8%

The way they handled this is just stupid

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Friday, January 15, 2021 2:40 AM



1 in 3 L.A. County residents have been infected by coronavirus, new estimate shows

About 75% of L.A. County's population will need to be immune to the virus through widespread vaccinations to dramatically slow its spread, Lewis estimated. Even if half of L.A. County's population were immune, "and yet we decide to just pretend that we don't have to take precautions, we will still have a very, very devastating pandemic."

When leaving home to access essential services, L.A. County Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer said, people should bring sanitizing wipes to disinfect their cellphones, car keys, work stations and door handles — anything they might touch that others also have touched. Health officials also suggested avoiding eating or drinking with anyone not in your household, washing or sanitizing your hands every hour if you’re around others, and taking a break from shopping.

They also issued a new recommendation: People who live with elderly residents or with residents who have an underlying medical condition and must go out of their households should wear a mask at home.

Across Southern California, hospitals are overcrowded to an extent not seen in modern history. In Ventura County on Tuesday, there was a total of 1,002 hospitalized patients — 448 of them infected with the coronavirus. "I don't know that we've ever had that many patients hospitalized at the same time in our county," said Steve Carroll, Ventura County emergency medical services administrator.

In L.A. County ... hospitals are still overstretched and hospitalizations are extraordinarily high; the ICU at Memorial Hospital of Gardena, for instance, is at 320% occupancy.

Over the past few weeks, an average of 700 to 850 new patients a day with coronavirus infections have been admitted to hospitals in L.A. County — a number that has pushed hospitals to prepare for the need to ration care.

In Riverside County, there have been days when 10 of its hospitals are using 100%, or more than its total licensed capacity, of beds, said Bruce Barton, Riverside County director of emergency management.


https://news.yahoo.com/1-3-l-county-residents-164650511.html

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Friday, January 15, 2021 3:03 AM




After lagging start, Newsom promises 1 million more California COVID-19 vaccinations in nine days

Though California has received more than 2 million doses of vaccine, as of Friday less than a third had been administered to the frontline healthcare workers and residents at nursing homes and other long-term care facilities who are eligible in the first round of inoculations.

"I would expect — and you should expect — that we are going to see a substantially higher number of vaccines administered in the coming days and coming weeks," said Newsom, later adding, "Hold me accountable."

Newsom defended the state's regimented prioritization of who can receive the vaccine, saying that a shortage is inevitable amid worldwide demand for vaccines and the focus should remain on ensuring groups with the most pressing needs are first in line.

"There is this false pretense that somehow the vaccines are plentiful when they're not," Newsom said.


https://news.yahoo.com/lagging-start-newsom-promises-1-011807693.html

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Friday, January 15, 2021 10:51 PM


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"I don't believe we have the evidence on any of the vaccines to be confident that it's going to prevent people from actually getting the infection and therefore being able to pass it on”, says WHO Chief Scientist @doctorsoumya pic.twitter.com/QdTvzj7Nyd


This is my take on the vaccines and what they do and don't do.

The endpoint was always to prevent severe disease and death. Severe disease would be pneumonia, active heart infection, CVS infection (besides the heart), kidney, liver, and brain damage due either to clots or active tissue infection, and other COVID-19 medical wildfires. These areas of the body are protected by blood-based immunoglobulins IgM and IgG (and cell-based immunity). And so an injection is the proper route to stimulate that kind of immunity.

But COVID-19 also attaches to and multiplies in the nose and upper airways, eyes, and mouth. These are tissues 'external' to the body, and not protected by blood-based immunity. Instead, they're protected by the IgA class of immunoglobulins secreted into fluids that bathe the tissues, like tears, saliva, and mucus. The proper route for immunizing those areas would be a nose spray/ inhaler, eye drops, and mouth rinse.

Because the vaccines are given by injection, in theory, person may be immunized against serious disease and have robust blood-based IgM/ IgG, (and cellular) immunity, but still catch and spread the virus by nose/ airway, ocular, and saliva-based routes.

That's why people are still encouraged to wear masks, social distance, and wash their hands even after being vaccinated, to protect others - and why Australia for example will still require a negative COVID-19 test for entry, even among the vaccinated. (Protective measures will also cover the 5% vaccination failure rate, and protect the individual.)

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Friday, January 22, 2021 3:16 AM


Emerging evidence suggests new coronavirus variant could be problematic for vaccines

In the most recent study, which was small, researchers took antibodies from six people who were hospitalized with Covid-19 before the new variant was discovered. They found to varying degrees, that antibodies for all six of the survivors were unable to fully fight off the virus.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/21/health/coronavirus-variant-problem-
vaccines/index.html




I first heard about this on KNX1070 5 days ago while I was out shopping, but I don't have access to their 'podcasts' so I couldn't go back and retrieve the information. BTW, the guy they were interviewing sounded really, really nervous revealing that info. But I guess they got the right expert to interview, since he was far ahead of the news wave.

I tried to confirm it with a duck-search - but at that time and in the interim till now, all the news was still posting happy-talk about the vaccines and the variants.

A few things:

1) If KNX1070 had this information 5 days ago: SO DID NBC, ABC, CBS, PBS, CNN, et al
2) I wonder if the m$M would have sat on it indefinitely if they thought it was at all possible (if the news wasn't already out in a few places)
3) the news that comes out of the m$m is obviously strategically controlled since there was no news-reason to sit on it all this time as a news story
4) this is bad news for vaccine efforts


I truly think that all vaccinations need to be done in stages. The second vaccine needs to be whole killed virus/ bacteria, which is absolutely not infections but which has the entire panoply of proteins available to trigger an immune response, and which would give a broader-range, and superior, protection.

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Friday, January 22, 2021 3:42 AM



The chance that a person hospitalized for COVID-19 will die in Los Angeles County has doubled in recent months.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/more-than-4-000-in-l-a-county
-dead-of-covid-19-since-new-year-s-day/ar-BB1cXI8q

(originally in the LATimes, republished by MSN)

That's according to an analysis released Wednesday by the county's Department of Health Services, which found that the chance someone will die from the disease while hospitalized increased from about 1 in 8 in September and October to roughly 1 in 4 since early November.

Dr. Roger Lewis, director of COVID-19 hospital demand modeling for the L.A. County Department of Health Services, said the increased chance of dying is a result of hospitals being so crowded that only the sickest patients are being admitted.

(LACounty) accounts for roughly 41% of California's 35,000 cumulative COVID-19 deaths, despite being home to only a quarter of the state's population.

In mid-April, when the pandemic was in its early stages, L.A. County's daily COVID-19 death toll was roughly 50, on average. The current wave has been markedly worse, with the average daily death toll peaking at 241 deaths a day for the seven-day period that ended on Jan. 14.



Maybe that's the reason why so many more people I talk with know someone who's died of COVID-19.

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Friday, January 22, 2021 3:45 AM

Supposedly the Chinese vaccine is inactivated virus, but only 50-60% effective.

Also, there was a study that came out in Britain, I believe, that showed that antibody therapy was NOT effective. Since these reports tend to come out well after the studies, this particular study may have been done before any of the new variants developed. So antibodies may not be the principal immune response.



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Friday, January 22, 2021 4:37 AM


I looked it up.

I'm not sure about the Sinopharm vaccine, but another Chinese manufacturer Sinovac vaccine has impressive claims

The problem comparing western vaccines v Chinese vaccines is that they seem to have 2 different endpoints.

Western vaccines were always geared toward preventing serious disease and death (pneumonia which happens in the lungs, heart infection, blood clotting etc). AFAIK there's no information as to whether or not they prevent infection by or spreading of SARS-CoV-2. What I've read is that initial infection and a portion of potential spread happens in the nose and upper airways. But those are areas very specifically rather remote from the blood-based immunity generated by vaccines. And that's one reason why even vaccinated people are cautioned to keep wearing masks, socially distance, and hand-wash.

The Sinovac vaccine claims 86% immunity AS WELL AS "TOTAL protection against severe cases of the disease". https://www.fiercebiotech.com/biotech/matching-sinopharm-fellow-china-
biotech-sinovac-sees-78-covid-vaccine-efficacy


So ... I wonder about those apparent discrepancies between endpoints.

In any case, given the amount of undisclosed and buried information and marketing/ government hyperbole on all sides, it's difficult to distinguish between claims.

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Friday, January 22, 2021 6:26 AM



I just wanted to add this.

I've found reporting ESPECIALLY about the COVID-19 vaccines to be just as propagandist as reporting about the vote. What are presented as facts are misrepresented, and things we need to know are not reported at all.

Here's an example of m$m propaganda about the vote: the headlines either claimed that there was no "vote fraud", or "election fraud" or "vote irregularities" - when IN FACT - the stories focused on VOTER FRAUD, a very very narrow and virtually irrelevant category of vote manipulation.


In the same vein, the m$m constantly propagandizes us that the vaccines are 95% effective!!!!!! but doesn't tell us that the 'endpoint' isn't infection, or contagiousness, but SERIOUS ILLNESS AND DEATH.

And all the MD talking heads in the m$m who constantly told us there was no reason to 'believe' or 'think' that the new variants would be a problem for the vaccines were outright lying because EVERY WESTERN VACCINE IS BASED ON THE SPIKE PROTEIN, THE VERY REGIONS WHERE MUTATIONS HAVE OCCURRED.


At this point I don't know how much MORE I have to keep pointing out to people for them to realize that the news is not a truthful, complete, rendition of important facts, but pablum made to herd us into mental corrals and keep us stupefied there.



And BTW, I'm NOT anti-vaccine. They could be all that's standing between us and eternal medical chaos. I'm NOT pro-vaccine. They could be an immunologic nightmare. But THANKS to the m$m and the government, I know too little about the vaccines to make anything more than a guess about them.

Every bit of news treats us like we're simpletons, unable to understand a complicated and nuanced reality. And that we need to have our thoughts guided with simple stories and real-sounding factoids (without evidence) told to us by sincere-faced news-actors and instant experts and tptb mouthpieces.

THO I GUARANTEE ALL THIS THEATER TO GUIDE US FOR OUR OWN GOOD. I'M SURE OF IT. /sarcasm

And so reading a simple news article or watching a news show is like writing a fucking PhD dissertation, where I have to track down every original research paper or project report or 'source' background just to try to figure out what the fuck is going on with any particular presentation.

What an obvious crock they're shoveling at us, from all directions.


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Saturday, January 23, 2021 5:38 AM



NOW that the cat's officially out of the bag, the "news" is all over it.

NYTimes:
U.S. Coronavirus Cases Are Falling, but Variants Could Erase Progress
Some health experts see a turning point as new cases slow, but they warn of a bumpy vaccination rollout with more contagious variants emerging.

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