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Tuesday, December 29, 2020 4:40 AM


Central and Southern California have 0 percent I.C.U. capacity, in a state already low on hospital beds.
New York Times|2 days ago

L.A. County is out of ICU beds and dangerously low on oxygen
Digital Journal|2 days ago


I'm not sure what the capacity is today - perhaps people have croaked and opened up a few beds.

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Tuesday, December 29, 2020 5:03 AM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

L.A. County is out of ICU beds and dangerously low on oxygen
Digital Journal|2 days ago



It sure is a good thing we live on a planet with enough oxygen to support 8 Billion people.

What have you done today to earn your place in this crowded world? :)

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Tuesday, December 29, 2020 5:41 AM

SIX, in another thread you asked whether anyone here knew anyone with Covid-19 and my answer is: Yes. My across-the-street neighbors both had Covid-19. The husband was really sick (but didn't go to hospital).

And my in-law's mom died of it.

So, yup, it's real.

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Tuesday, December 29, 2020 5:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Central and Southern California have 0 percent I.C.U. capacity, in a state already low on hospital beds.
New York Times|2 days ago

L.A. County is out of ICU beds and dangerously low on oxygen
Digital Journal|2 days ago


I'm not sure what the capacity is today - perhaps people have croaked and opened up a few beds.

Supposedly the cases have peaked and are going down. There is some thinking that this latest peak was caused by Thanksgiving, which I supposed would be about right ... transmission on T-day, 1-2 weeks to symptoms and another 2-3 weeks to illness requiring hospitalization.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Tuesday, December 29, 2020 10:49 PM

So I imagine that Christmas and New Year MIGHT cause another peak, this time in early February.

But by then, many people (including my across the street neighbor) were directly affected by Covid-19, or know somebody who was, because all I've been hearing about is how people spent Christmas mostly with family members that they already lived with.

The riots - did they ever create a wave of infections? I should look that up. I not, then outdoor exposure isn't a main mode of transmission, it's an indoor problem. If they did, then close outdoor exposure is also a problem.

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Wednesday, December 30, 2020 2:04 AM


I'm sorry to hear about your in-law's mom. A COVID-19 death is a brutal way to die.

I looked into the riots - and I didn't see anything. They began early June, but many other things also happened in June, specifically a lot of states lifted stay-at-home orders, and many young people traveled to Florida and elsewhere for their vacation.

So I specifically looked at Portland, because of its protracted rioting, and compared the rates of COVID-19 in Multnomah county with COVID-19 in other counties and didn't see any noticeable difference in rates or timing compared between counties, to Oregon as a whole, or to the US as a whole.
https://multco.us/novel-coronavirus-covid-19/regional-covid-19-data-da
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http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/

A lot of outdoor things have been superspreader 'events' - like Mardi Gras and spring break, where there are a lot of people gathered close together outdoors (like the infamous Hot Springs pool party). But then there probably are a lot of people gathered close together indoors as well, as well as travelling together. So it would be hard to make the connection I think unless one did a really deep analysis of the numbers.



Something like 82M people travelled for Christmas or about 1 in every 4, who would then go on to have small indoor unmasked gatherings, and then travel back home. Nationwide, that predicts quite a surge.

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Saturday, January 2, 2021 4:37 AM


Interesting development in Britain:

Britain Opts for Mix-and-Match Vaccinations, Confounding Experts

If a second dose of one vaccine isn’t available, another may be substituted, according to new guidelines in the country.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/01/health/coronavirus-vaccines-britain
.html

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Saturday, January 2, 2021 4:40 AM




Medical care suffers across L.A. County — even basic services outside COVID-19 wards

L.A. County has been forced to temporarily shut down five public primary care clinics to help staff hospitals amid a deadly surge in coronavirus cases.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-01-01/medical-care-acros
s-la-county-suffering-covid-19-wards


https://news.yahoo.com/medical-care-suffers-across-l-190831830.html

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Saturday, January 2, 2021 4:46 AM


As a reminder, it didn't need to be this way:

Op-Ed: How I found a little slice of COVID-free utopia in Singapore

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-01-01/covid-travel-singapor
e-pandemic-quarantine-lockdown


https://news.yahoo.com/op-ed-found-little-slice-110647640.html

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Sunday, January 3, 2021 3:20 AM

Quote:

Britain Opts for Mix-and-Match Vaccinations, Confounding Experts

If a second dose of one vaccine isn’t available, another may be substituted, according to new guidelines in the country.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/01/health/coronavirus-vaccines-britain
.html





And not one day later ...

Quote:

We do not recommend mixing Covid-19 vaccines,' Public Health England chief says

Mixing Covid-19 vaccines is not recommended, Public Health England’s Head of Immunisations Dr. Mary Ramsay said Saturday, after government guidance was updated this week to say the interchangeability of Covid-19 vaccines was a "reasonable" option.

“We do not recommend mixing the Covid-19 vaccines – if your first dose is the Pfizer vaccine you should not be given the AstraZeneca vaccine for your second dose and vice versa,” Ramsay said in a statement.

https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-vaccine-u
pdates-01-02-21/h_d1d793728fc3d8b1886c8ad2846f07d0



THANKS! NYTimes, newspaper of record! (not)


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