Boycott ENTERPRISE .. it's just that bad.

POSTED BY: Ghoulman
UPDATED: Monday, January 24, 2005 20:10
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THEPLAGUE

Wednesday, December 22, 2004 3:22 AM

Whoa, Enterprise still exists? I thought it would've been culled off by now. Does it still have that atrocious 80's power ballad as the theme song?

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AX

Sunday, January 2, 2005 1:10 AM

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Originally posted by Channain:
I did finally give up on this after T'Pol married what's his name and I realized the writers had copped out AGAIN!

Just a quick question--how do you define 'cop-out'? Because I've always used it to mean taking the easy way out.

Now, assuming you mostly agree with that definition, which is the easier road for the writers:

1)Having T'Pol marry a character not a part of the main cast, and thus complicating her relationship with Trip.

or

2)Having Trip give a big long cliched speech that stops her from marrying this man, and thus opening up a relationship between the two.

In my opinion the first one is a much harder road to take. Half way through the episode I thought I had it all figured out. And then the end came and I, at least, was suprised. Mostly I wasn't a huge fan of the episode. But the one thing I thought it did right is force T'Pol to make the more difficult, mundane, choice of marrying someone because life and logic necesitate it instead of following some human notion of love.

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JAYNEZTOWN

Sunday, January 2, 2005 2:06 PM

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Originally posted by theplague:
Whoa, Enterprise still exists? I thought it would've been culled off by now. Does it still have that atrocious 80's power ballad as the theme song?

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have a starwars Boycott while your at it

CLEANER

Sunday, January 2, 2005 5:59 PM

Here's a suggestion. Post all this crap about cancelling Enterprise on a site that isn't full of fans of a show thats been cancelled.

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CHANNAIN

Monday, January 3, 2005 12:53 AM

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Originally posted by Ax:
Just a quick question--how do you define 'cop-out'? Because I've always used it to mean taking the easy way out.

Now, assuming you mostly agree with that definition, which is the easier road for the writers:

1)Having T'Pol marry a character not a part of the main cast, and thus complicating her relationship with Trip.

or

2)Having Trip give a big long cliched speech that stops her from marrying this man, and thus opening up a relationship between the two.

Well... until I caught a recent rerun (trying not to write spoilers, but I'm sure you ken my meaning), I classified it as the ST writers emulating the Riker and Troy relationship. Whereby they waited until the movies before they finally had them take the plunge - both literally and figuratively

No, when I wrote that the writers had copped out, I meant they were following the ST:TNG pattern. HEAVEN forbid there should be a relationship on board ship. Of course now T'Pol is Starfleet, so there's regulations to consider, but then again, Starfleet isn't the Air Force, and has been known to be a little lax in that regard, hasn't it?

Bottom line - Trip was the sole reason I bothered to program that show into my VCR. He was the only character - and Connor Trinneer the only actor - that I found of any interest.

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AX

Monday, January 3, 2005 9:57 PM

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No, when I wrote that the writers had copped out, I meant they were following the ST:TNG pattern. HEAVEN forbid there should be a relationship on board ship. Of course now T'Pol is Starfleet, so there's regulations to consider, but then again, Starfleet isn't the Air Force, and has been known to be a little lax in that regard, hasn't it?

Ahh...I gotcha. I would say though, that on the two other Star Trek shows between TNG and Ent there hasn't really been this problem. On DS9 Worf marries Dax, and Odo and Kira eventually got together. And on Voyager Tom and B'Elanna got married. So I don't know if you can really claim there's any real pattern going on.

On the other hand I can understand liking Trip, as he's my fav character (along with Phlox, of course). I guess I personally just find the story more interesting if Trip and T'Pol are kept apart. However, I'm not certain that you won't ever get to see them together. Just not yet.

"I'm so tired of days that feel like the nights." Something Corporate

CHANNAIN

Monday, January 3, 2005 10:18 PM

Wait - this is the BOYCOTT thread... we should be writing the "Aw Come on, Enterprise isn't THAT bad" thread :biggin: just to see Ghoulman blow a gasket.

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Originally posted by Ax:
Ahh...I gotcha. I would say though, that on the two other Star Trek shows between TNG and Ent there hasn't really been this problem. On DS9 Worf marries Dax, and Odo and Kira eventually got together. And on Voyager Tom and B'Elanna got married. So I don't know if you can really claim there's any real pattern going on.

That's true - they have evolved creatively. I loved the Tom and B'lanna arc. But the Ent writers have been "borrowing" so many other things from the previous incarnations, I was fearful that this would be one of them.

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On the other hand I can understand liking Trip, as he's my fav character (along with Phlox, of course). I guess I personally just find the story more interesting if Trip and T'Pol are kept apart. However, I'm not certain that you won't ever get to see them together. Just not yet.

There would still be the tension, yes, but imagine a human and a Vulcan trying to figure out how to coexist together? Especially when they're both very passionate, volatile people. I don't think having them get together would change that - and it shouldn't. Just because the couple is together, doesn't mean they don't stop being individuals. Tom and B'lanna, case in point. Television writers tend to be absent-minded in this regard. And DS9 was an entity in and of itself - the BEST Star Trek since the Classic was new.

Wait - this is the BOYCOTT thread... we should be writing the "Aw Come on, Enterprise isn't THAT bad" thread :biggin:

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PANIC

Monday, January 24, 2005 2:26 PM

Don't feed the trolls.

FARSCAPEPKWARS

Monday, January 24, 2005 8:10 PM

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Originally posted by Ax:
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No, when I wrote that the writers had copped out, I meant they were following the ST:TNG pattern. HEAVEN forbid there should be a relationship on board ship. Of course now T'Pol is Starfleet, so there's regulations to consider, but then again, Starfleet isn't the Air Force, and has been known to be a little lax in that regard, hasn't it?

Ahh...I gotcha. I would say though, that on the two other Star Trek shows between TNG and Ent there hasn't really been this problem. On DS9 Worf marries Dax, and Odo and Kira eventually got together. And on Voyager Tom and B'Elanna got married. So I don't know if you can really claim there's any real pattern going on.

On the other hand I can understand liking Trip, as he's my fav character (along with Phlox, of course). I guess I personally just find the story more interesting if Trip and T'Pol are kept apart. However, I'm not certain that you won't ever get to see them together. Just not yet.

"I'm so tired of days that feel like the nights." Something Corporate

have you seen this news

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SFX magazine Christmas 2004 has a big interview with Jolene Blalock, in which she talks about Enterprise and her feelings about it with impressive honesty. I've never heard someone in an ongoing show let rip like this *cough*notevenRobertBeltran*cough*.

On the plus side, she really likes Manny Coto's work, and thinks he's making the changes that need to be made:

"... what's interesting is that I opened the first script of the fourth season ... and it was good! And that was weird! Then I got the second script - and it was good too!"

But she doesn't hold back about the stuff she's been unhappy with previously. When SFX mention that some of the semi-nudity and "Vulcan neuropressure" seems a little, uh "... unecessary", she replies:

"I agree. It was. You can't substitute tits and ass for good storytelling. You can have both, but you can't substitute one for the other, because the audience is not stupid. You can't just throw in frivolous, uncharacteristic ... well, bull and think it's gonna help the ratings. Because that's not our audience. I'd like to appeal to their intellect. I mean, God forbid we inspire the question, 'What if?' 'What if we travelled in space?' 'What if we met other species?' 'What if?' So it has been frustrating for me. But I don't have any say in it."

"If you can't find consistency in your character, then it's a transparent character, and that's very tough, because it turns out that you are a different person from episode to episode. And it's not fair, because I don't know what to count on!"

When asked if she flagged up her concerns with the show's creators:

"Absolutely! Well ... I did at first. Now, I've got to the point where I raise my hands. I wave my little white flag!"

On the positive changes in the show:

"It's bizarre that all of this is happening in our last season. Unfortunately, it takes people upstairs to turn their heads to a distraction in order for others to come in and freshen the concept and make the show good ..."

" ... I mean, you're talking about a show where the captain doesn't sweat! T'Pol's hair doesn't move - even in battle! And if it does, we reshoot it. We don't bleed here, and nobody dies. Give me a break! And we're all-knowing. Where's the risk? Where is the danger? Where's drama? Where's the challenge? Where's the story? Give me a break, I'm bored!"

Character consistency:

"You can't take T'Pol and say 'Okay, you're a Vulcan' and take away the Vulcan characteristics. You might as well clip the ears! For example, eating food with their hands - they don't do that! And yet they'll throw in episodes where she's eating popcorn, and I'll say, 'Can I use a napkin? How can I ...'" Jolene cuts herself off in the booming, uncaring voice of The Man. "'No! Use your hands!'"

Not very logical, say SFX:

"It's not, but that's not what they care about. They care about ... " Jolene sighs. "I don't know what they care about. But y'know ... I'm re

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