Will Your State Regain It's Representation Next Decade?
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UPDATED: Thursday, July 17, 2025 20:20
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Quote:Representatives are in The House of Representatives.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Thought this thread was going to be about US Senators being chosen by the state govt's, and not elected by the public.
As it should be.
I think there is another thread about Senators again being elected by the States, not the voters.
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As originally intended, the Senators were to represent each STATE in Washington D.C., where as the Representatives were to speak for the citizens. It's a concept few today seem to grasp, that the people and the individual states could and should have their say on specific matters.
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Here I will try to calculate the number of Representatives, if the census data from 2019 was used.
At some point, I'll also look at how the revised 2010 datsa would have changed anything, and then project 2020 population based upon trends of the past year.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Census had a press release on 30 Dec 2019. They dodged and weaved around the facts, but some data could be discerned from it. I have not yet found a set of actual raw data from them. This is all a report of the Census data for 1 July 2019.
https://census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2019/popest-nation.html
I have noticed with this data that the Trump Economy seems to have populations moving back to cities, Metropolitan areas, and Liberal areas and States - which might be counterproductive to GOP efforts come Election time, and come Reapportionment time for House Seats (effective after Trump leaves Office)
I'll try a Table, with current estimated Population update. This is not correcting for Illegal Aliens overcounting, the figures for current are likely including Illegal Aliens.
First column is number of Seats currently in the House of Representatives. Second column is Population in the 2010 Census. (as reported in 2019)
Third column is 2018 Population (est 1 July 2018).
Fourth column is current Population (est 1 July 2019).
Fifth column is whole number of Seats. Population divided by "ideal" size of District Population.
Sixth column is priority number for next Seat. These are what are used for the Apportionment Formula of House Seats currently, but the Formula is subject to change.
Since the Dems have had control of the House in the year of the Census for the past 80 years, it might be assumed they will use the same Formula for Apportionment in 2020 again.
ST #R 2019 data 2010, 2018, & 2019
CA 53 37,253,956 39,461,588 39,512,223 | 52/052 | 752647
TX 36 25,145,561 28,628,666 28,995,881 | 38/090 | 753203
NY 27 19,378,102 19,530,351 19,453,561 | 25/143 | 763031/432
FL 27 18,801,310 21,244,317 21,477,737 | 28/118 | 753720
IL 18 12,830,632 12,723,071 12,671,821 | 16/175 | 768342/430
PA 18 12,702,379 12,800,922 12,801,989 | 16/159 | 776234/426
OH 16 11,536,504 11,676,341 11,689,100 | 15/190 | 754528/435
MI 14 09,883,640 09,984,072 09,986,857 | 13/230 | 740275
GA 14 09,687,653 10,511,131 10,617,423 | 14/204 | 732671
NC 13 09,535,483 10,381,615 10,488,084 | 13/217 | 777428/425
NJ 12 08,791,894 08,886,025 08,882,190 | 11/241 | 773095/427
VA 11 08,001,024 08,501,286 08,535,519 | 11/252 | 742921
WA 10 06,724,540 07,523,869 07,614,893 | 10/262 | 726051
MA 09 06,547,629 06,882,635 06,892,503 | 09/280 | 726533
IN 09 06,483,802 06,695,497 06,732,219 | 08/297 | 793399/422
AZ 09 06,392,017 07,158,024 07,278,717 | 09/271 | 767244/431
TN 09 06,346,105 06,771,631 06,829,174 | 09/289 | 719858
MO 08 05,988,927 06,121,623 06,137,428 | 08/305 | 723302
MD 08 05,773,552 06,035,802 06,045,680 | 08/313 | 712490
WI 08 05,686,986 05,807,406 05,822,434 | 07/320 | 778055/424
MN 08 05,303,925 05,606,249 05,639,632 | 07/334 | 753627
CO 07 05,029,196 05,691,287 05,758,736 | 07/327 | 769543/429
AL 07 04,779,736 04,887,681 04,903,185 | 06/346 | 756577/433
SC 07 04,625,364 05,084,156 05,148,714 | 06/340 | 794463/421
LA 06 04,533,372 04,659,690 04,648,794 | 06/352 | 717324
KY 06 04,339,367 04,461,153 04,467,673 | 05/357 | 815681/419
OR 05 03,831,074 04,181,886 04,217,737 | 05/362 | 770049/428
OK 05 03,751,351 03,940,235 03,956,971 | 05/367 | 722440
CT 05 03,574,097 03,571,520 03,565,287 | 04/371 | 797222/420
IA 04 03,046,355 03,148,618 03,155,070 | 04/379 | 705495
MS 04 02,967,297 02,981,020 02,976,149 | 03/389 | 859140/416
AR 04 02,915,918 03,009,733 03,017,804 | 03/386 | 871164/415
KS 04 02,853,118 02,911,359 02,913,314 | 03/392 | 841001/418
UT 04 02,763,885 03,153,550 03,205,958 | 04/375 | 716874
NV 04 02,700,551 03,027,341 03,080,156 | 04/383 | 688743
NM 03 02,059,179 02,092,741 02
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Now I will try to make projections of 2020 Census figures, based upon the 2019 Estimates data, and assuming the amount of change from 2018 to 2019 (as reported in 2019) continue for the remaining 9 months before 1 April 2020 (since 1 July 2019).
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Alright, I'll see if I can pack in the new data, alongside the data from last year.Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Census had a press release on 30 Dec 2019. They dodged and weaved around the facts, but some data could be discerned from it. I have not yet found a set of actual raw data from them. This is all a report of the Census data for 1 July 2019.
https://census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2019/popest-nation.html
Here I have copied a prior table, where I extrapolated the projected 1 July Population figures, and I will add a last column or 2 which reflect the data that was just provided.
Well, now that I've filled out the portions of data that they've provided, I can see that none of the numbers add up. The figures that they had for 2018 and now for 2019, the differences do not add to what they state are the differences. So maybe they revised some data from last year. I'll need to look into this.Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
The BLS has released data about Labor Force figures for States. I am now using the change from March 2018 to March 2019 to provide indication of population change, and show resulting projections. These trends are now during the Trump Economy, and are quite different that the prior part of the decade.
This is not a comprehensive analysis, just a snapshot of the annual effect the current Trump Economy has had, and extrapolated upon the Estimates of July 2018 from the Census Bureau.
For example, WA Labor Force went from 3,770,820 in March 2018 to 3,892,959 in March 2019 (not Seasonally Adjusted), an increase of 3.24% in one year. Applied to the 2018 population estimated by The Census Bureau of 7,535,591 results in 7,779,673 for 2019.
Similarly, MS went from 1,276,084 to 1,260,142 - a decrease of 1.25%. Applied to 2018's 2,986,530 gives us 2,949,220 for 2019.
I have noticed with this data that the Trump Economy seems to have populations moving back to cities, Metropolitan areas, and Liberal areas and States - which might be counterproductive to GOP efforts come Election time, and come Reapportionment time for House Seats (effective after Trump leaves Office)
There will apparently be an estimate for 1 July 2019 (from Census Bureau), which would be released around December 2019.
I'll try a Table, with current estimated Population update. This is not correcting for Illegal Aliens overcounting, the figures for current are likely including Illegal Aliens.
First column is Population in the 2010 Census. As reported in 2018.
Second column is current Population (est 1 July 2018). As reported in 2018.
Third column is Projected Population for 2019.
Since the Dems have had control of the House in the year of the Census for the past 80 years, it might be assumed they will use the same Formula for Apportionment in 2020 again.
The first 2 columns are the data reported in 2019 for 2010 Census and 2018 Estimate. Then the 1 July 2019 estimate data, and amount of change, as reported in 2019.
ST #R 2010 <2019 data> 2018, 2019/change | 2020 Proj |
CA 53 37253956 39461588 39512223/50,635 | 39,550,199 | 52/052 | 753371
TX 36 25145561 28628666 28995881/367215 | 29,271,292 | 38/090 | 760357/433
NY 27 19378102 19530351 19453561/-76790 | 19,397,469 | 25/143 | 760831/432
FL 27 18801310 21244317 21477737/233420 | 21,652,802 | 28/118 | 759864/435
IL 18 12830632 12723071 12671821/-51250 | 12,633,384 | 16/175 | 766011/431
PA 18 12702379 12800922 12801989/01,067 | 12,802,789 | 16/159 | 776282/427
OH 16 11536504 11676341 11689100/12,759 | 11,698,669 | 15/190 | 755145
MI 14 09883640 09984072 09986857/02,785 | 09,988,946 | 13/230 | 740429
GA 14
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If the above projection holds true, then no state will regain it's Representation from the last decade. But Montana gains a seat, which I think it had once before.
Of note, most of these projections are showing that NY and IL are on the verge of losing a 2nd seat, not just a single seat.
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I heard that U-Haul gave it's Best Salesman of the Year award to Governor Fredo Cuomo of NY. Not sure if that was serious or not.
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Ever since the new data from 2019 was released and provided "revised" or whatever data retroactively changing the Census 2010 population counts, I've been wondering if this new Fake Data would have changed the allocation of Representatives for the past 10 years.
As an exercise, I've decide to check that out.
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Alright, I'll see if I can pack in the new data, alongside the data from last year.Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Census had a press release on 30 Dec 2019. They dodged and weaved around the facts, but some data could be discerned from it. I have not yet found a set of actual raw data from them. This is all a report of the Census data for 1 July 2019.
https://census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2019/popest-nation.html
Here I have copied a prior table, where I extrapolated the projected 1 July Population figures, and I will add a last column or 2 which reflect the data that was just provided.
Well, now that I've filled out the portions of data that they've provided, I can see that none of the numbers add up. The figures that they had for 2018 and now for 2019, the differences do not add to what they state are the differences. So maybe they revised some data from last year. I'll need to look into this.Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
The BLS has released data about Labor Force figures for States. I am now using the change from March 2018 to March 2019 to provide indication of population change, and show resulting projections. These trends are now during the Trump Economy, and are quite different that the prior part of the decade.
This is not a comprehensive analysis, just a snapshot of the annual effect the current Trump Economy has had, and extrapolated upon the Estimates of July 2018 from the Census Bureau.
For example, WA Labor Force went from 3,770,820 in March 2018 to 3,892,959 in March 2019 (not Seasonally Adjusted), an increase of 3.24% in one year. Applied to the 2018 population estimated by The Census Bureau of 7,535,591 results in 7,779,673 for 2019.
Similarly, MS went from 1,276,084 to 1,260,142 - a decrease of 1.25%. Applied to 2018's 2,986,530 gives us 2,949,220 for 2019.
I have noticed with this data that the Trump Economy seems to have populations moving back to cities, Metropolitan areas, and Liberal areas and States - which might be counterproductive to GOP efforts come Election time, and come Reapportionment time for House Seats (effective after Trump leaves Office)
There will apparently be an estimate for 1 July 2019 (from Census Bureau), which would be released around December 2019.
I'll try a Table, with current estimated Population update. This is not correcting for Illegal Aliens overcounting, the figures for current are likely including Illegal Aliens.
First column is Population in the 2010 Census. As reported in 2018.
Second column is current Population (est 1 July 2018). As reported in 2018.
Third column is Projected Population for 2019.
Since the Dems have had control of the House in the year of the Census for the past 80 years, it might be assumed they will use the same Formula for Apportionment in 2020 again.
The first 2 columns are the data reported in 2018 for 2010 Census and 2018 Estimate. Then my projected 2019 population, and amount of change. Then the 4 sets of data as reported in 2019.
ST 2010 Pop(2018)| 2019 data | Change |
CA 53 37,252,895 | 37,253,956 | +1061 | 52/052 | 709631/431
TX 36 25146105 | 25145561 | -0444 | 35/087 | 708395/435
NY 27 19378087 | 19378102 | +0015 | 27/114 |
FL 27 18804623 | 18801310 | -3313 | 26/140 | 709609/432
IL 18 12831549 | 12830632 | -0917 | 18/158 |
PA 18 12702887 | 12702379 | -0508 | 17/175 | 726146/428
OH 16 11536725 | 11536504 | -0221 | 15/190 | 744678/425
MI 14 09884129 | 09883640 | -0489 | 13/203 | 733853/427
GA 14 09688681 | 09687653 | -1028 | 13/216 | 719301/429
NC 13 09535692 | 09
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In case I haven't done so before, this is a link to the priority numbers resulting from the 2010 Census. These do not itemize or list the actual population figures used, but through reverse formula the actual population figure can be found. Until they also revise this with Fake Data.
https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/decennial/2010/data/apportion
ment/PriorityValues2010.pdf
From that:
Priority value for seat 2, then what the population figure must have been to get that priority number:
CA 26404774 37,341,990
TX 17867470 25,268,418
NY 13732760 19,421,055
FL 13364865 18,900,773
IL 9096490 12,864,380
PA 9004938 12,734,905
OH 8180161 11,568,495
MI 7008578 9,911,626
GA 6878428 9,727,566
NC 6764029 9,565,782
NJ 6227844 8,807,501
VA 5683538 8,037,737
WA 4775353 6,753,369
MA 4638369 6,559,644
IN 4597313 6,501,582
AZ 4534464 6,412,700
TN 4508110 6,375,430
MO 4250757 6,011,478
MD 4094098 5,789,929
WI 4029257 5,698,230
MN 3758187 5,314,879
CO 3567304 5,044,930
AL 3396221 4,802,982
SC 3285200 4,645,974
LA 3220137 4,553,961
KY 3076343 4,350,606
OR 2721375 3,848,605
OK 2662174 3,764,883
CT 2532593 3,581,627
IA 2159353 3,053,786
MS 2105934 2,978,240
AR 2069156 2,926,228
KS 2025022 2,863,814
UT 1959227 2,770,765
NV 1915858 2,709,432
NM 1461783 2,067,273
WV 1315088 1,859,815
NE 1295296 1,831,825
ID 1112632 1,573,499
HI 966517 1,366,861
ME 942626 1,333,074
NH 934403 1,321,445
RI 746172 1,055,247
MT 703158 994,416
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In the above post, I calculated what the 2010 population must have actually been (not the totals, for no priority numbers for the 6 least populous states were published, that I found).
So now I will try to update this table with those actual 2010 figures, instead of the Fake Data from 2018. I will include the Fake Data from 2019 to show the change, and also because that is the Fake Data that the Census Bureau seems to be using.
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Ever since the new data from 2019 was released and provided "revised" or whatever data retroactively changing the Census 2010 population counts, I've been wondering if this new Fake Data would have changed the allocation of Representatives for the past 10 years.
As an exercise, I've decide to check that out.Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Alright, I'll see if I can pack in the new data, alongside the data from last year.Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Census had a press release on 30 Dec 2019. They dodged and weaved around the facts, but some data could be discerned from it. I have not yet found a set of actual raw data from them. This is all a report of the Census data for 1 July 2019.
https://census.gov/newsroom/pre
ss-releases/2019/popest-nation.html
Here I have copied a prior table, where I extrapolated the projected 1 July Population figures, and I will add a last column or 2 which reflect the data that was just provided.
Well, now that I've filled out the portions of data that they've provided, I can see that none of the numbers add up. The figures that they had for 2018 and now for 2019, the differences do not add to what they state are the differences. So maybe they revised some data from last year. I'll need to look into this.Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
The BLS has released data about Labor Force figures for States. I am now using the change from March 2018 to March 2019 to provide indication of population change, and show resulting projections. These trends are now during the Trump Economy, and are quite different that the prior part of the decade.
This is not a comprehensive analysis, just a snapshot of the annual effect the current Trump Economy has had, and extrapolated upon the Estimates of July 2018 from the Census Bureau.
For example, WA Labor Force went from 3,770,820 in March 2018 to 3,892,959 in March 2019 (not Seasonally Adjusted), an increase of 3.24% in one year. Applied to the 2018 population estimated by The Census Bureau of 7,535,591 results in 7,779,673 for 2019.
Similarly, MS went from 1,276,084 to 1,260,142 - a decrease of 1.25%. Applied to 2018's 2,986,530 gives us 2,949,220 for 2019.
I have noticed with this data that the Trump Economy seems to have populations moving back to cities, Metropolitan areas, and Liberal areas and States - which might be counterproductive to GOP efforts come Election time, and come Reapportionment time for House Seats (effective after Trump leaves Office)
There will apparently be an estimate for 1 July 2019 (from Census Bureau), which would be released around December 2019.
I'll try a Table, with current estimated Population update. This is not correcting for Illegal Aliens overcounting, the figures for current are likely including Illegal Aliens.
First column is Population in the 2010 Census. As reported in 2018.
Second column is current Population (est 1 July 2018). As reported in 2018.
Third column is Projected Population for 2019.
Since the Dems have had control of the House in the year of the Census for the past 80 years, it might be assumed they will use the same Formula for Apportionment in 2020 again.
The first column is the population from 2010 based upon the published priority numbers actually used in the 2010 Apportionment list. Then the same data as reported in 2019. Third column is the change between the actual factual data and the new Fake Data.
ST 2010 Po
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Due to Covid, Census Bureau has asked Congress for an extension until April 30, 2021 to report Census results, instead of December 2020.
This would mean the next Congress would be in control at that time. The first time a non-midterm Elected Congress has had the reins. Until now, it has always been Democraps in Majority during Apportionment of Representatives, and they have always used the same formula since apportionment started (when Congress was first limited in size) - even though the same formula is not required.
I wonder if the GOP has a different idea of how State Representatives should be Apportioned?
To be clear, instead of the 2018 Elected House deciding Apportionment this December, the delay would mean next May the Apportionment could be decided, by the House Elected this November (and seated in Jan).
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