Real World Event Discussions

Boeing 737 Max

POSTED BY: SIGNYM
UPDATED: Friday, August 21, 2026 17:40
VIEWED: 21693
PAGE 15 of 22

Thursday, October 31, 2019 1:50 AM

Southwest had $1 million per 737 MAX rebate clause on training

www.reuters.com/article/us-boeing-airplane-southwest/southwest-had-1-m
illion-per-737-max-rebate-clause-on-training-idUSKBN1X92D4


Boeing Chief Executive Dennis Muilenburg said on Wednesday Southwest Airlines Inc had a $1 million per plane rebate clause in a contact with Boeing Co if the FAA required simulator training unique to only the 737 MAX planes.

Representative Peter DeFazio, who chairs the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, said the rebate would have covered 280 planes ordered by Southwest.

The article does not say it, but the 737 MAX simulator should have, but did not, train pilots on how to handle the idiosyncratic malfunction that crashed the plane twice. If the simulator had included such training, Boeing would have been powerfully motivated to re-engineer 737 MAX so that it could not malfunction in the first place.

Wrong signals to the horizontal stabilizer jack-screw crashed two 737 MAXs



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

NOTIFY: Y  | REPLY  | REPLY WITH QUOTE  | PERMALINK  | TOP  | HOME

Wednesday, December 18, 2019 7:43 PM

One photo shows why Boeing had to shut down production of its grounded 737 Max
www.businessinsider.com/photos-show-boeing-737-max-sitting-untouched-s
nowy-kansas-carpark-2019-12


Photographs show the fuselages of almost 100 Boeing 737 Max planes sitting unused at a Kansas factory.

The image was taken by Reuters at the headquarters of Spirit AeroSystems in Wichita, Kansas. Spirit is one of the hundreds of companies in the Boeing supply chain that help produce the finished product.

The photo shows Boeing's snarled production line, which was getting ever more clogged as the company built planes that could not be delivered to customers.

On Monday, Boeing acknowledged its strategy of building planes that couldn't immediately fly was no longer sustainable, and it said it would freeze the production line in the new year. It is not clear when it will be restarted.

Spirit AeroSystems has the capacity to produce about 50 fuselages a month for the Max, and it employs about 13,000 people in Wichita. It is the city's biggest employer. The company earns 80% of its revenue from Boeing, according to data provided to Business Insider by Bloomberg.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

NOTIFY: Y  | REPLY  | REPLY WITH QUOTE  | PERMALINK  | TOP  | HOME

Wednesday, December 18, 2019 7:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by second:

Wrong signals to the horizontal stabilizer jack-screw crashed two 737 MAXs




That is one terrifying video, second. Flight is scary enough without having to think it could be down to a giant nut and a giant bolt.

NOTIFY: Y  | REPLY  | REPLY WITH QUOTE  | PERMALINK  | TOP  | HOME

Wednesday, December 18, 2019 7:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by second:
One photo shows why Boeing had to shut down production of its grounded 737 Max
www.businessinsider.com/photos-show-boeing-737-max-sitting-untouched-s
nowy-kansas-carpark-2019-12


Photographs show the fuselages of almost 100 Boeing 737 Max planes sitting unused at a Kansas factory.

The image was taken by Reuters at the headquarters of Spirit AeroSystems in Wichita, Kansas. Spirit is one of the hundreds of companies in the Boeing supply chain that help produce the finished product.

The photo shows Boeing's snarled production line, which was getting ever more clogged as the company built planes that could not be delivered to customers.

On Monday, Boeing acknowledged its strategy of building planes that couldn't immediately fly was no longer sustainable, and it said it would freeze the production line in the new year. It is not clear when it will be restarted.

Spirit AeroSystems has the capacity to produce about 50 fuselages a month for the Max, and it employs about 13,000 people in Wichita. It is the city's biggest employer. The company earns 80% of its revenue from Boeing, according to data provided to Business Insider by Bloomberg.



Gov bail out? I hope not.

NOTIFY: Y  | REPLY  | REPLY WITH QUOTE  | PERMALINK  | TOP  | HOME

Wednesday, December 18, 2019 8:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:

Wrong signals to the horizontal stabilizer jack-screw crashed two 737 MAXs




That is one terrifying video, second. Flight is scary enough without having to think it could be down to a giant nut and a giant bolt.

Do you remember when Serenity crashed in the movie? If Boeing built Firefly class spaceships, Serenity would have never flown again because of Boeing's light weight construction methods, about as tough as an aluminum beer can.



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

NOTIFY: Y  | REPLY  | REPLY WITH QUOTE  | PERMALINK  | TOP  | HOME

Monday, December 23, 2019 9:17 PM

Boeing has fired Chief Executive Officer Dennis Muilenburg, following a year of intense scrutiny and industrial setbacks set off by twin fatal crashes of its 737 MAX jetliner.

Chairman David Calhoun will take over as CEO and president.

A Boeing official said the board deliberated over the weekend and they made the decision to fire Muilenburg in a phone call on Sunday. Too bad the GOP's Senators won't deliberate over the phone, then fire Trump. It really is that easy, despite that your average Trump lover thinks it can only be a complicated and slow process. The Constitution does not say it is. Mike Pence is ready to replace Trump, as David Calhoun is ready to replace Muilenburg.

The company’s shares rose nearly 4% in early trading.

The company said this month it would stop production of the jets in January.

www.reuters.com/article/us-boeing-737-max-ceo/boeing-fires-ceo-muilenb
urg-as-737-max-crisis-deepens-idUSKBN1YR1FL


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

NOTIFY: Y  | REPLY  | REPLY WITH QUOTE  | PERMALINK  | TOP  | HOME

Tuesday, December 24, 2019 12:31 AM

Well, I'm sure the board didn't object when CEO pulled in one profitable year after another, but somebody had to be scapegoated! It won't save the company tho: They're trying to pull up from a nosedive 500 ft above ground.

This is a little bit like blaming Trump for decades of USA policy failures.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY

NOTIFY: Y  | REPLY  | REPLY WITH QUOTE  | PERMALINK  | TOP  | HOME

Tuesday, December 24, 2019 4:39 AM

Boeing Starliner sent to orbit and rendezvous with Space Station - IT'S SOLE PURPOSE FOR BEING BUILT IN THE FIRST PLACE - is sent to WRONG ORBIT, so that the Mission to connect with Space Station is a catastrophic failure (good thing nobody's lives were on the line!) and the Mission was Aborted.
Boeing Sales Team calls this a "glitch" - ho hum.


https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/20/boeings-starliner-flies-into-wrong-orb
it-jeopardizing-trip-to-the-international-space-station.html

NOTIFY: Y  | REPLY  | REPLY WITH QUOTE  | PERMALINK  | TOP  | HOME

Tuesday, December 24, 2019 4:57 AM

"Boeing's light weight construction methods" are probably important when you're dealing with gravity. The trick is to make an aircraft both light and strong.

NOTIFY: N  | REPLY  | REPLY WITH QUOTE  | PERMALINK  | TOP  | HOME

Tuesday, December 24, 2019 5:00 AM

"NASA Administrator Jim Bridenstine explained that the spacecraft “believed it was in an orbital insertion burn,” saying Starliner “burned more fuel than anticipated to maintain precise control.”"


https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/20/boeings-starliner-flies-into-wrong-orb
it-jeopardizing-trip-to-the-international-space-station.html




Yanno, it wasn't the 737's CONSTRUCTION that was the problem, or the Starliner's. It was the brains of both that failed.

NOTIFY: N  | REPLY  | REPLY WITH QUOTE  | PERMALINK  | TOP  | HOME