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Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria

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THG
Friday, September 14, 2018 3:19 AM

The US is ready to send in F-35s into combat if tensions with Russia and Syria boil over

Syria's government has been linked to 33 cases of chemical weapons use against its own people during the 7 year-long civil war, and along with Russia stands accused of war crimes such as the indiscriminate bombing of hospitals and schools.

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-f-35s-combat-ready-if-tensions-with
-russia-syria-iran-boil-over-2018-9


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Tuesday, August 13, 2019 5:56 PM


I bet we would have no problem finding SIG's post about the atrocities committed by Israel for it's use of cluster bombs. So now watch once again as she demonstrates her hypocrisy and denies any wrong doing by Russia.



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Monday, September 2, 2019 6:27 PM

The SAA (Syrian Arab Army, the official Syrian troops) are advancing into Idlib. You may recall that many jihadist fighters in various conflict areas elsewhere in Syria were given the choice to keep on fighting or decamp to Idlib. Since many of these fighters were supported by Turkey (while it was still in the USA-Israel-Saudi camp), Russia gave the Turks a one-year opportunity to separate the sheep from the goats, as it were, clean up Idlib, and save their "friends". Not wanting to give up his neo-Ottoman dreams of somehow controlling Northern Syria, Erdogan stalled for the full year until the decision was taken out of his hands.

The Syrian government, with (I'm sure) the agreement from Russia, issued a colletive NO MAS (if I may mix languages) and decided to clean it up for him.

Leading to scenes of jihadists at the Turkish border demaning to be let in, and - when rebuffed by Turkish troops with water cannon, tear gas and gunfire, burning pictures or erdogan and calling him a traitor.

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Today about a thousand 'rebels' tried to cross through the Al-Bab border station into Turkey. Videos show a long line of cars of fleeing people. At the front several hundred men managed to enter Turkish ground. They were pushed back by Turkish army forces with water cannon trucks, tear gas and finally with gunfire. At least two 'rebels' were killed.

People shouted "Traitor traitor traitor, Turkish army is traitor". They burned pictures of Erdogan while screaming takbir and allahu akbar.




https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/08/syrian-rebels-feel-left-behind-b
urn-traitor-erdogans-picture.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef0240a4a6904b200d


Curiously, the USA got into the act too, by bombing al qaeda HQ which killed a number of commanders. Is this a case of Dead men tell no tales?

in related news, both Lebanon and Iraq have stated that any further air attacks from Israel will be treated as acts of war. Iraq hs asked USA troops to leave. Apparently the CIA/Saudi coalition wasn't effective enough, now Israel needs to operate more freely. tbc ...

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Saturday, September 14, 2019 10:39 PM


Quote:

Israeli Attacks On Syria Halted After Russia Threatened To Shoot Down Jets

According to reports in both Israeli and Arabic regional media, Israel this past week was preparing to expand major airstrikes against "Iran-backed" targets in Syria, but Moscow imposed its red line. The Independent has published a story describing that Russia's military in Syria threatened to shoot down any invading Israeli warplanes using fighter jets or their S-400 system.

The Jerusalem Post, citing sources in the UK Independent (Arabia), writes just after the latest meeting in Sochi between Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Russian President Vladimir Putin:

According to the report, Moscow has prevented three Israeli airstrikes on three Syrian outposts recently, and even threatened that any jets attempting such a thing would be shot down, either by Russian jets or by the S400 Anti-aircraft missiles. The source cited in the report claims a similar situation has happened twice, and that during August, Moscow stopped an airstrike on a Syrian outpost in Qasioun, where a S300 missile battery is placed.

Netanyahu's hasty trip to meet with Putin on Thursday - even in the final days before Tuesday's key election - was reportedly with a goal to press the Russian president on essentially ignoring Israel's attacks in Syria.
Image via The Jerusalem Post

Citing further sources in the British-Arabic Independent Arabia, The Jerusalem Post continues:

According to the Russian source, Putin let Netanyahu know that his country will not allow any damage to be done to the Syrian regime's army, or any of the weapons being given to it...

Israel sources cited by the Arabic newspaper described Netanyahu's attempts to persuade Putin as "a failure". This in spite of Netanyahu telling reporters after the meeting that his relations with Moscow were stronger than ever.

Moscow is said to be particularly resistant given the Israeli military's recent spate of attacks on targets in Lebanon, Iraq, and Syria.

??? — Independent ????? (@IndyArabia) September 14, 2019

Sources in the report claimed further that Putin in a somewhat unprecedented moment raised the issue of Lebanon:

The Russian source said: "Putin has expressed his dissatisfaction from Israel's latest actions in Lebanon" and even emphasized to Netanyahu that he "Rejects the aggression towards Lebanon's sovereignty" something which has never been heard from him. Putin further stated that someone is cheating him in regards to Syria and Lebanon and that he will not let it go without a response. According to him, Netanyahu was warned not to strike such targets in the future.

It could also be simply that Putin understands that Netanyahu, now desperate to extend his political career to a record fifth term as prime minister as next week's elections loom, could be ready to risk a major and very unnecessary Middle East conflagration in order to continue to appeal to Israeli right wing and nationalist voters.


https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/israeli-attacks-syria-halted-af
ter-russia-threatened-shoot-down-jets-report


So what do recent events tell me?

Well, this could just be Netanyahu electioneering. If he doesn't get re-elected, he'll be going to jail (literally) for corruption.

But what this ALSO tells me is that Netanyahu can no longer count on Saudi Arabia, or the USA, to do its dirty work for it. Israel is going to have to do its own "Assad must go/ death to Iran/ Geater Israel" campaign.

What I have been told (but haven't looked up) is that when Pompeo spoke with Putin about a month ago, he offered Putin some sort of ME deal, but left the meeting looking pale.




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Sunday, September 15, 2019 1:49 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Israeli Attacks On Syria Halted After Russia Threatened To Shoot Down Jets

According to reports in both Israeli and Arabic regional media, Israel this past week was preparing to expand major airstrikes against "Iran-backed" targets in Syria, but Moscow imposed its red line. The Independent has published a story describing that Russia's military in Syria threatened to shoot down any invading Israeli warplanes using fighter jets or their S-400 system.


I was reading that Netanyahu's reelection is iffy, so he's been ramping up the attack-mode rhetoric to out-do the opposition. This looks to hobble his campaign.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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According to the Russian source, Putin let Netanyahu know that his country will not allow any damage to be done to the Syrian regime's army, or any of the weapons being given to it...

This appears to be a change of Russian policy. Last I knew, (maybe 3 months ago) iirc (and maybe your memory is more accurate than mine), Russia only responded to attacks on its own troops and positions, not to attacks on Syrian or Iranian forces.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Moscow is said to be particularly resistant given the Israeli military's recent spate of attacks on targets in Lebanon, Iraq, and Syria.

I felt that the US had handed off the dirty proxy-war work to Israel, with the soto voce understanding the US would remain silent on Israel's extra-curricular activities, as long as it was continuing anti-Assad attacks. It looks like that didn't go so well.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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??? — Independent ????? (@IndyArabia) September 14, 2019
The Russian source said: "Putin has expressed his dissatisfaction from Israel's latest actions in Lebanon" and even emphasized to Netanyahu that he "Rejects the aggression towards Lebanon's sovereignty" something which has never been heard from him. Putin further stated that someone is cheating him in regards to Syria and Lebanon and that he will not let it go without a response. According to him, Netanyahu was warned not to strike such targets in the future.


https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/israeli-attacks-syria-halted-af
ter-russia-threatened-shoot-down-jets-report


So what do recent events tell me?

Well, this could just be Netanyahu electioneering. If he doesn't get re-elected, he'll be going to jail (literally) for corruption.

But what this ALSO tells me is that Netanyahu can no longer count on Saudi Arabia, or the USA, to do its dirty work for it. Israel is going to have to do its own "Assad must go/ death to Iran/ Greater Israel" campaign.

What I have been told (but haven't looked up) is that when Pompeo spoke with Putin about a month ago, he offered Putin some sort of ME deal, but left the meeting looking pale.

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As I total it up - the US was relying on Turkey and Israel to help it with its proxy war in Syria. (KSA reportedly stopped being an active terrorist supporter in 2017.)

Turkey was allowing shipment of oil from terrorist-held territory so the terrorists could fund themselves; supplying arms, and allowing retreat and reentry of terrorists across the border. And the US went along with it, despite the fact that the aims of both sides weren't entirely aligned. Turkey was looking to build a new Ottoman empire, and that meant crushing the Kurds within its own borders and Syria's; while the US was supporting the Syrian Kurds in their efforts to get rid of terrorists from their territory, in the hopes of hiving off a big chunk of Syria from Assad.
I don't know when or why the US decided Erdogan had to go. But I think the US-(supported / fomented ?) (failed)

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Monday, October 7, 2019 9:57 PM

The long-awaited troop withdrawal from Syria ... has it finally begun?

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Trump pulls troops from northern Syria as Turkey readies offensive
Missy Ryan,
Kareem Fahim,
Sarah Dadouch and
Karen DeYoung
October 7, 2019 at 8:45 AM EDT

The United States began withdrawing American troops from Syria’s border with Turkey early Monday, in the clearest sign yet that the Trump administration was washing its hands of an explosive situation between the Turkish military and U.S.-allied Kurdish fighters.

President Trump, in a series of Twitter messages Monday, suggested that the United States was shouldering too much of the burden — and the cost — of fighting the Islamic State. He rebuked European nations for not repatriating citizens who had joined the extremist group, claiming that the United States was being played for a “sucker.” And he chided his own Kurdish allies, who he said were “paid massive amounts of money and equipment” to fight the militants.

“It is time for us to get out of these ridiculous Endless Wars, many of them tribal, and bring our soldiers home. WE WILL FIGHT WHERE IT IS TO OUR BENEFIT, AND ONLY FIGHT TO WIN,” he tweeted.

Well Mr President, I think that's a good idea!! Too bad you didn't manage this in your first three years!

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The withdrawal followed a late Sunday statement by the White House that the United States would not intervene in a long-threatened Turkish offensive into northern Syria. The announcement, which signaled an abrupt end to a months-long American effort to broker peace between two important allies, [Turkay and the Kuds] came after a call between Trump and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

Erdogan said in a speech Monday that the withdrawal began soon after their phone call.

A U.S. official confirmed to The Washington Post that American troops left observation posts in the border villages of Tel Abyad and Ras al-Ayn at 6:30 a.m. local time.

Pentagon chief says a solo incursion by Turkey into Syria is ‘unacceptable,’ but doesn’t pledge to stop it

In an initial reaction to the pullout, Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.), a strong Trump supporter, indicated on Twitter that he was seeking more information on the president’s decision. But he added, “If press reports are accurate this is a disaster in the making.”



One thing that the GOP globalist establishment and the Dem globalist establishment can agree on ... MOAR WAR


Hillary Clinton
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Hillary Clinton calls Trump's Syria pullout a 'sickening betrayal' of allies
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/hillary-clinton-calls-trump-s-
syria-pullout-a-sickening-betrayal-of-allies/ar-AAIp18A?li=AA2dnLi


and Bernie Sanders, the great white old liberal hope, sides with MOAR WAR
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Senator Bernie Sanders, who seeks the Democratic 2020 presidential nomination, tweeted that while he supports ending US military intervention in the Middle East, Trump's "extremely irresponsible" announcement is "likely to result in more suffering and instability."

https://news.yahoo.com/key-republicans-outraged-over-trump-pullback-sy
ria-152043100.html


Mitt Romney
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Senator Mitt Romney called the withdrawal "a betrayal" that facilitates a jihadist resurgence. [OH BALONEY!!!- SIGNY]
https://news.yahoo.com/key-republicans-outraged-over-trump-pullback-sy
ria-152043100.html


Liz Cheney
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"Withdrawing US forces from Northern Syria is a catastrophic mistake that puts our gains against ISIS at risk and threatens US security," tweeted Liz Cheney, the number three House Republican.


CONTINUING WITH THE ORIGINAL ARTICLE

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The fast-moving developments threatened a fresh military conflagration in a large swath of northern Syria, stretching from east of the Euphrates River to the border with Iraq. Syrian Kurds had established an autonomous zone in the area during more than eight years of Syria’s civil war.

Ankara, however, has been increasingly unnerved by the Kurd

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THG
Monday, October 7, 2019 10:08 PM

Hillary Clinton calls Trump's Syria pullout a 'sickening betrayal' of allies

"Let us be clear: The president has sided with authoritarian leaders of Turkey and Russia over our loyal allies and America's own interests," Clinton, a former secretary of State and senator and President Trump's Democratic rival in 2016, tweeted.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/hillary-clinton-calls-trumps-s
yria-pullout-a-sickening-betrayal-of-allies/ar-AAIp18A?ocid=spartanntp


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Monday, October 7, 2019 11:02 PM

The Kurds are not our "allies" they were our proxies. We wanted to take down Assad and they wanted a piece of Syria. Our involvement in the Middle East is obssessional, like Cpt Ahab relentlessly going after the great white whale, and just as pointless.

Aside from oil and the petrodollar, we have no interests in the Mideast.

There is a very good analysis here
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/10/syria-trump-gives-green-light-fo
r-another-turkish-invasion.html#more


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Wednesday, October 9, 2019 9:58 PM

So now the Kurds want help from Assad???

If I were Assad. I'd help them ... after they bled a little.

Here's the funny thing, and an explanation of how the Kurds screwed themselves over:

EVEN THO Syria is majority Sunni Arab, Assad himself comes from a minority religious offshoot, the Alawites. UNLIKE IN SAUDI ARABIA, Assad (and his father before him) have treated the minorities about as well as they treated anyone in Syria - not perfect, but no bias. That's why, when ISIL took over large parts of Syria. there were SO MANY MINORITIES for them to capture and torture/kill: Christians, Yazidis, Kurds, Alwaites, Druze, Turkmen, Assyrians etc.

At one point, the Kurds could have wrangled "cultural autonomy" from Assad, but they decided to ride on America's coattails and shoot for (literally) an independent Kurdistan from Syria. Bad move. People have been predicting FOR YEARS that the Kurds were going to get the short end of THAT stick!

What interest does the USA have in supporting an indepenent Kurdistan? Indeed, why were we even trying to topple Assad in the first place? NOBODY HAS COME UP WITH A COGENT ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION, but it sure would be an interesting discussion. Maybe somebody will see something I don't.

One thing I've learned from watching various breakaway movements ... Kosovo, Crimea, Catalan, Wallonia, Florence, Britain (from the EU) ... is that unless they're large enough to have an indepedent economy and military they must usually have a larger patron state in order to succeed. The Kurds have no such patron, because their bid to take part of Syria does not serve any larger nation's essential interests.

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Monday, October 14, 2019 8:42 PM

I'm beginning to wonder if this whole "Turkish invasion" wasn't a ploy to drive the Kurds into Assad's arms. (At one point, Assad offered them a federated state, but they were too stupid to take the deal.)

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Syrian Government Regains Control Over Country's Northeastern Parts

Eight days ago U.S. President Donald Trump gave a green light for another Turkish invasion of Syria. We explained why that move made it inevitable for the Kurds to submit to Damascus and to let the Syrian Arab Army back into northeast Syria:

While the YPG might want to fight off a Turkish invasion they have little chance to succeed. The land is flat and the YPG forces only have light arms.

There is only one solution for them. They will have to call up the Syrian government and ask it to come back into the north east. That would remove the Turkish concerns and would likely prevent further Turkish moves.

After Trump had spoken with the Turkish president Erdogan, the U.S. military removed a few of its forces from some areas near the Turkish border. The Pentagon was still under the false impression that Turkey would limit its invasion to some 5 kilometer in depth. It was obvious, as we wrote, that Turkey wanted far more:

A major goal is to interrupt the M4 highway that runs parallel to the border and allows for troop movements between the east and the west of the Kurdish majority areas. The highway is about 20-30 kilometers from the border.

The M4 road is also one of the major logistical routes for the U.S. troops stationed in the western part.

The Kurds could do little to resist the Turkish onslaught. On Saturday Turkish supported "Syrian rebels" reached the M4 highway and captured and killed several Kurdish troops and civilians who were passing by. The Pentagon finally took notice of the imminent danger:

“This is total chaos,” a senior administration official said at midday, speaking on the condition of anonymity about the confusing situation in Syria.

Although “the Turks gave guarantees to us” that U.S. forces would not be harmed, the official said, Syrian militias allied with them “are running up and down roads, ambushing and attacking vehicles,” putting American ­forces — as well as civilians — in danger even as they withdraw. The militias, known as the Free Syrian Army, “are crazy and not reliable.”

Ahhhh. The "Free Syrian Army", which the U.S. built and supplied with an immense amount of weapons to fight the Syrian government, is "crazy and not reliable". How come that all the think tankers and 'journalists' who for years lauded that 'army' never noticed that?

The Pentagon finally recognized that it was not possible to hold onto the area without starting a war with its NATO partner Turkey. On Saturday evening Trump gave the order that all U.S. troops shall leave northeast Syria within 30 days. The Secretary of Defense did not resign as his predecessor did over a similar decision but defended the move.

MORE AT https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/10/syria-regains-its-northeastern-p
arts.html#more





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