Real World Event Discussions

Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria

POSTED BY: kpo
UPDATED: Monday, September 8, 2025 15:48
VIEWED: 105502
PAGE 83 of 87

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, October 14, 2019 8:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Hillary Clinton calls Trump's Syria pullout a 'sickening betrayal' of allies

"Let us be clear: The president has sided with authoritarian leaders of Turkey and Russia over our loyal allies and America's own interests," Clinton, a former secretary of State and senator and President Trump's Democratic rival in 2016, tweeted.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/hillary-clinton-calls-trumps-s
yria-pullout-a-sickening-betrayal-of-allies/ar-AAIp18A?ocid=spartanntp

T

Yes, but what is her "private position" on the matter.

Somebody check her e-mails.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Sunday, November 24, 2019 9:52 PM

Quote:
The OPCW and Douma: Chemical Weapons Watchdog Accused of Evidence-Tampering by Its Own Inspectors
by Jonathan Steele

Claims that President Bashar al-Assad’s forces have used chemical weapons are almost as old as the Syrian civil war itself. They have produced strong reactions, and none more so than in the case of the alleged attack in April last year on the opposition-controlled area of Douma near Damascus in which 43 people are said to have been killed by chlorine gas. The United States, Britain and France responded by launching airstrikes on targets in the Syrian capital.

Were the strikes justified? An inspector from the eight-member team sent to Douma has just come forward with disturbing allegations about the international watchdog, the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, which was tasked with obtaining and examining evidence.

Involved in collecting samples as well as drafting the OPCW’s interim report, he claims his evidence was suppressed and a new report was written by senior managers with assertions that contradicted his findings.

The inspector went public with his allegations at a recent all-day briefing in Brussels for people from several countries working in disarmament, international law, military operations, medicine and intelligence. They included Richard Falk, former UN special rapporteur on Palestine and Major-General John Holmes, a distinguished former commander of Britain’s special forces. The session was organised by the Courage Foundation, a New York-based fund which supports whistle-blowers. I attended as an independent reporter.

The whistle-blower gave us his name but prefers to go under the pseudonym Alex out of concern, he says, for his safety.

He is the second member of the Douma Fact-Finding Mission to have alleged that scientific evidence was suppressed. In May this year an unpublished report by Ian Henderson, a South African ballistics expert who was in charge of the mission’s engineering sub-team was leaked. The team examined two suspicious cylinders which rebels said were filled with chlorine gas. One cylinder was found on the roof of a damaged building where over two dozen bodies were photographed. The other lay on a bed on the upper floor of a nearby house below a hole in the roof. The inspectors were able to check the scene because Syrian troops drove rebel fighters out of the area a few days after the alleged gas attack.

Assessing the damage to the cylinder casings and to the roofs, the inspectors considered the hypothesis that the cylinders had been dropped from Syrian government helicopters, as the rebels claimed. All but one member of the team concurred with Henderson in concluding that there was a higher probability that the cylinders had been placed manually. Henderson did not go so far as to suggest that opposition activists on the ground had staged the incident, but this inference could be drawn. Nevertheless Henderson’s findings were not mentioned in the published OPCW report.

The staging scenario has long been promoted by the Syrian government and its Russian protectors, though without producing evidence. By contrast Henderson and the new whistleblower appear to be completely non-political scientists who worked for the OPCW for many years and would not have been sent to Douma if they had strong political views. They feel dismayed that professional conclusions have been set aside so as to favour the agenda of certain states.

Alex, the new whistleblower, said his aim in going public was not to undermine the OPCW, most of whose investigators are objective scientists, but to persuade the organisation’s leadership to allow the Douma team to put forward their findings and answer questions at the week-long annual conference of member states which starts on November 25. “Most of the Douma team felt the two reports on the incident, the Interim Report and the Final Report, were scientifically impoverished, procedurally irregular and possibly fraudulent”, he said. Behind his call for the Douma inspectors to address the next OPCW confer

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME

SIGNYM

Friday, December 27, 2019 11:31 PM

Quote:
Senior OPCW official ordered deletion of ‘all traces’ of dissenting report on ‘Douma chemical attack’ – WikiLeaks’ new leak

https://www.rt.com/news/476965-opcw-wikileaks-leak-douma/

So, how many of you thumped the idea that "Assad gassed his own people"? And why did you believe that?

You should give that some serious thought because you would figure out that you were deliberately lied to. Not in some minor way, or inadvertently, but deliberately and with malice aforethought.

Now, if this agency and the M$M can lie so blatantly about an event which could have precipitated a US-Russia war, what ELSE have they lied about?

Seriously, take everything you read or hear with a grain of salt. Pretend that it's news coming from Russia, and give it the same level of scrutiny.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY

THG

Friday, December 27, 2019 11:50 PM

Sig, you're a despicable person. Someone deserving of hatred and contempt. A complete failure as a human being.

You make it next to impossible to feel anything but contempt for Russians in general and that's no small achievement.

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

SIGNYM

Saturday, December 28, 2019 12:07 AM

Quote:
THUGR: Sig, you're a despicable person. Someone deserving of hatred and contempt. A complete failure as a human being.

You make it next to impossible to feel anything but contempt for Russians in general and that's no small achievement.

Aside from that, do you have anything to say about being LIED TO by the OPCW? (Of course not! Because that would require you to encounter facts, something you seem to be allergic to.)

Yanno, when the first attack (East Ghouta) occurred, it made no sense whatsoever that Assad would wait until Obama had drawn a red line and wait until inspectors were on the ground and THEN launch an attack. There were only a couple of resonable potetnial explanations: Either Assad's military panicked and launched a chemical weapons attack, or it was a "false flag" engineered by jihadists and designed to draw in the USA. Now, one of the things I noticed in the pictures of the victims (filmed and distributed by jihadists) is the the same childrens' bodies keep showing up in different locations, in different poses, with different sets of other victims, so clearly the jihadists did some "staging" of the aftermath. (There are other things in the photos that don't make sense, but I'm going to limit this for now.)

In this case (Douma) the Syrian army was winning militarily, so (again) it made no sense to launch a chemical attack.

You might believe that Assad and Putin are evil dictators, but they're not STUPID. They wouldn't launch counterproductive (and potentially disastrous) chemical attacks with no upside whatsoever for shits and giggles. Put your brain in gear and start thinking.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Saturday, December 28, 2019 2:10 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You might believe that Assad and Putin are evil dictators, but they're not STUPID. They wouldn't launch counterproductive (and potentially disastrous) chemical attacks with no upside whatsoever for shits and giggles. Put your brain in gear and start thinking.

Uh- huh. Your turn. So if that's true then *it follows like day follows night* that Putin would try and f*ck with our elections to make sure that THAT WOMAN had no chance of being president, and THAT EASILY MANIPULATED DUMB ASS MUPPET WOULD BE, right?

Until you can be honest with that I can never take you seriously (I know, you don't care - duh).

1KIKI

Saturday, December 28, 2019 2:24 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You might believe that Assad and Putin are evil dictators, but they're not STUPID. They wouldn't launch counterproductive (and potentially disastrous) chemical attacks with no upside whatsoever for shits and giggles. Put your brain in gear and start thinking.

Quote:
Uh- huh. Your turn. So if that's true then *it follows like day follows night* that Putin would try and f*ck with our elections to make sure that THAT WOMAN had no chance of being president, and THAT EASILY MANIPULATED DUMB ASS MUPPET WOULD BE, right?

Until you can be honest with that I can never take you seriously (I know, you don't care - duh).

Are you saying that Putin manipulated the primaries too!!!??? ... especially the republican primaries where Trump made his way to the top of a heap of 16 total, that included such luminaries as Ted Cruz, John Kasich, Marco Rubio, Ben Carson, Jeb Bush, Chris Christie, Carly Fiorina, Rick Santorum, Rand Paul, Mike Huckabee, George Pataki, Lindsey Graham, Bobby Jindal, Scott Walker, and Rick Perry ... because if they DIDN'T do that, then they couldn't guarantee THAT EASILY MANIPULATED DUMB ASS MUPPET would be president ... ???

I bet each and every candidate from both parties (but especially Hillary), and each party would LOVE to know the Russian secret to total election control!! ... FROM PRIMARY TO PRESIDENT!

And boy ... are you dumb for posting in effect the Russians actually did that.

SIGNYM

Saturday, December 28, 2019 7:42 AM

Quote:
SIGNY: You might believe that Assad and Putin are evil dictators, but they're not STUPID. They wouldn't launch counterproductive (and potentially disastrous) chemical attacks with no upside whatsoever for shits and giggles. Put your brain in gear and start thinking.

CAPTAIN MUSH: Uh- huh. Your turn. So if that's true then *it follows like day follows night* that Putin would try and f*ck with our elections to make sure that THAT WOMAN had no chance of being president, and THAT EASILY MANIPULATED DUMB ASS MUPPET WOULD BE, right?

Until you can be honest with that I can never take you seriously (I know, you don't care - duh).

KIKI: Are you saying that Putin manipulated the primaries too!!!??? ... especially the republican primaries where Trump made his way to the top of a heap of 16 total, that included such luminaries as Ted Cruz, John Kasich, Marco Rubio, Ben Carson, Jeb Bush, Chris Christie, Carly Fiorina, Rick Santorum, Rand Paul, Mike Huckabee, George Pataki, Lindsey Graham, Bobby Jindal, Scott Walker, and Rick Perry ... because if they DIDN'T do that, then they couldn't guarantee THAT EASILY MANIPULATED DUMB ASS MUPPET would be president ... ???

I bet each and every candidate from both parties (but especially Hillary), and each party would LOVE to know the Russian secret to total election control!! ... FROM PRIMARY TO PRESIDENT!

And boy ... are you dumb for posting in effect the Russians actually did that.

What KIKI said.
Whatever you think you know from the M$M about foreign policy, domestic politics, and the economy is 90% wrong. That not only includes the manipulated OPCW report, but the whole RUSSIA!RUSSIA! hoax.

You COULD insulate yourself from the lies by engaging brain once in a while.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

I'd nuke a BILLION PEOPLE if it would save the other 7 billion from living under Putin. Hell, I might go all the way to the last 100 people on Earth to keep this planet from being under fascist rule.- WISHIMAY

SIGNYM

Saturday, December 28, 2019 11:00 PM

Quote:
Senior OPCW Official Busted: Leaked Email Exposes Orders To "Delete All Traces" Of Dissent On Douma
Wikileaks has released their fourth set of leaks from the OPCW’s Douma investigation, revealing new details about the alleged deletion of important information regarding the fact-finding mission.

RELEASE: OPCW-Douma Docs 4. Four leaked documents from the OPCW reveal that toxicologists ruled out deaths from chlorine exposure and a senior official ordered the deletion of the dissenting engineering report from OPCW’s internal repository of documents. https://t.co/ndK4sRikNk
— WikiLeaks (@wikileaks) December 27, 2019

“One of the documents is an e-mail exchange dated 27 and 28 February between members of the fact finding mission (FFM) deployed to Douma and the senior officials of the OPCW. It includes an e-mail from Sebastien Braha, Chief of Cabinet at the OPCW, where he instructs that an engineering report from Ian Henderson should be removed from the secure registry of the organisation,” WikiLeaks writes. Included in the email is the following directive:

“Please get this document out of DRA [Documents Registry Archive]… And please remove all traces, if any, of its delivery/storage/whatever in DRA.'” According to Wikileaks, the main finding of Henderson, who inspected the sites in Douma, was that two of the cylinders were most likely manually placed at the site, rather than dropped...

Another document released Friday is minutes from a meeting on 6 June 2018 where four staff members of the OPCW had discussions with “three Toxicologists/Clinical pharmacologists, one bioanalytical and toxicological chemist” (all specialists in chemical weapons, according to the minutes).

Minutes from an OPCW meeting with toxicologists specialized in chemical weapons: “the experts were conclusive in their statements that there was
no correlation between symptoms and chlorine exposure”. https://t.co/j5Jgjiz8UY pic.twitter.com/vgPaTtsdQN
— WikiLeaks (@wikileaks) December 27, 2019
... According to the minutes, the OPCW team was advised by the experts that there would be little use in conducting exhumations. ...
See full details at Wikileaks.org

*****

So, I went looking to see what the M$M had to say about this apparently falsified OPCW report.

CNN: Banner headlines about Linda Ronstadt, (Linda Ronstadt??? Yes, I liked her singing but ... Linda Ronstadt??) a search on "OPCW" plus "Syria" plus "2019" literally comes up with no results, but removing "2019" I get the following

Quote:
No one can predict what Russia will do next
Nov 28, 2018

US set to accuse Iran of violating chemical weapons treaty
Nov 19, 2018
If the US fails to prepare for chemical attacks, it will be bitten

Nov 5, 2018
In March 2018, the Novichok attack in Salisbury, England, saw chemical weapons used on UK soil for the first time in history.

Welcome to the era of impunity
Oct 16, 2018

Netherlands officials say they caught Russian spies targeting chemical weapons body
Oct 4, 2018

Experts want to exhume alleged Syria chemical attack victims for testing
May 3, 2018

No, they didn't. They said that it would be pointless because the symptoms didn't match chlorine poisoning

Quote:
Inspectors visit site of suspected chemical attack in Syria after delays
Apr 21, 2018

White House talking points on Syria before Haley's interview cite intended Russia sanctions
Apr 20, 2018

The message that Russia should take from our actions is that it cannot pretend to be a responsible member of the international community while supporting this odious regime.
CNN 10 - April 20, 2018

April 20, 2018 Cuba names a new leader, following a retirement announcement by President Raul Castro.

WOW, it's almost as if OPCW hadn

THG

Saturday, December 28, 2019 11:33 PM

Poor comrade sig. She undoubtedly continues to sincerely believe others read or even typically see her lengthy posts as impressive, instead of for what they truly are; lengthy lies and deflections. Sorry comrade, in reality those are rabbit holes no one cares to go down.

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.