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Not suggesting that it isn't a problem, but there have been much larger fires in the Amazon before this one.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Long-Term Disaster Is Now The Best-Case Scenario
The world has warmed more than one degree Celsius since the Industrial Revolution. The Paris climate agreement — the nonbinding, unenforceable and already unheeded treaty signed on Earth Day in 2016 — hoped to restrict warming to two degrees. The odds of succeeding, according to a recent study based on current emissions trends, are one in 20. If by some miracle we are able to limit warming to two degrees, we will only have to negotiate the extinction of the world’s tropical reefs, sea-level rise of several meters and the abandonment of the Persian Gulf. The climate scientist James Hansen has called two-degree warming “a prescription for long-term disaster.” Long-term disaster is now the best-case scenario. Three-degree warming is a prescription for short-term disaster: forests in the Arctic and the loss of most coastal cities. Robert Watson, a former director of the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, has argued that three-degree warming is the realistic minimum. Four degrees: Europe in permanent drought; vast areas of China, India and Bangladesh claimed by desert; Polynesia swallowed by the sea; the Colorado River thinned to a trickle; the American Southwest largely uninhabitable. The prospect of a five-degree warming has prompted some of the world’s leading climate scientists to warn of the end of human civilization.
More at https://andrewtobias.com/long-term-disaster-is-now-the-best-case-scena
rio/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Not suggesting that it isn't a problem, but there have been much larger fires in the Amazon before this one.
Did you see the image Kiki (bless her) posted? It's not "a fire." Having said that... and against my better judgement, I'm going to hope you are right in terms of total acreage burning, and that you have cites to back up your claim. Otherwise I'll just chalk up to you being a contrarian.
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Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Not suggesting that it isn't a problem, but there have been much larger fires in the Amazon before this one.
Did you see the image Kiki (bless her) posted? It's not "a fire." Having said that... and against my better judgement, I'm going to hope you are right in terms of total acreage burning, and that you have cites to back up your claim. Otherwise I'll just chalk up to you being a contrarian.
There's this, for starters...
https://www.globalfiredata.org/forecast.html#elbeni
Hover over the individual years and you'll find that while 2019 is not great, it's nowhere near the worst we've seen. 2010 is the worst on record in this graph.
It should be noted, even though the result is the same since they didn't know what the hell they were doing, most of these fires were man made, intended to be controlled burning for agriculture.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/three-things-know-about-fire
s-sweeping-through-amazon-rainforest-180972962/
I'm just mentioning that this shouldn't be attributed to global warming, but a much more direct man-made problem.
Although I have yet to find a great article I read about a few weeks back (and posted somewhere here in the RWED), here's a few others to ease your mind. (You try Googling "Amazon" even with a bunch of filters and not end up with more than half of your results referencing Bezos or his company in one way or another).
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/about-the-amazon-rainforest-fires-le
ts-separate-fact-from-fiction-2019-08-29
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/23/world/americas/amazon-fire-brazil-b
olsonaro.html
Again, I'm not saying this is good news. I'm just saying that people need to read wider sources of information before making decisions on things. We have plenty of historical data to back up the fact that this is nowhere near the worst season on record in the Amazon.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Our military is the largest single waster of energy in the entire WORLD. Why don't we start THERE?
You just know the ten people here have the ability to do ANYTHING about our military
Technically, she didn't say the word "war", but I'mma still call it a
Drink up!
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Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Not suggesting that it isn't a problem, but there have been much larger fires in the Amazon before this one.
Quote:
Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:
Did you see the image Kiki (bless her) posted? It's not "a fire." Having said that... and against my better judgement, I'm going to hope you are right in terms of total acreage burning, and that you have cites to back up your claim. Otherwise I'll just chalk up to you being a contrarian.
Quote:The issue isn't 'was this the worst year ever' - but - how much of the rainforest is left? (And btw, not just in Brazil, but in the entire S Amer rainforest ecosystem.)
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
There's this, for starters...
https://www.globalfiredata.org/forecast.html#elbeni
Hover over the individual years and you'll find that while 2019 is not great, it's nowhere near the worst we've seen. 2010 is the worst on record in this graph.
The rainforest depends on a large continuous mass of trees to absorb, and exhale, water, so that the downwind area gets rain, and so on.
Between the logging, the mining, and the burning - all either entirely or substantially human activities - the forest is undergoing desertification. And once a certain amount is gone, it can't sustain itself any more. And there appears to be no human intervention to re-establish it.
We here in the US did something similar with large tracts of formerly temperate rainforests along the west coast. Those grassy hills mid- through northern- CA next to the ocean? They used to be temperate rainforest similar to what you see in Oregon and Washington.
Granted, the mechanisms were different. Those forests relied on conifers catching the fog and dripping it down to the soil. But the end result is the same. Without the big stands of big conifers catching moisture and feeding it downwards, no little conifers can grow. Without little conifers there is no future forest. Those forests are gone.
The same thing has happened in Ireland, whose massive forests were cut down for shipbuilding.
The same thing has happened in Lebanon which is now an arid rocky place. Those fabled biblical 'cedars of Lebanon' which swathed the are in forest are no more, and never to be again.
There can be no doubt what lies ahead for the Amazon if we continue on destroying more of more of the less and less that's left. That's what makes 2019 significant. Not that it's the worst ever, but that it's destroying so much of what there still is.
Quote:... which I didn't, though it has a deleterious effect on it ...
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It should be noted, even though the result is the same since they didn't know what the hell they were doing, most of these fires were man made, intended to be controlled burning for agriculture.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/three-things-know-about-fire
s-sweeping-through-amazon-rainforest-180972962/
I'm just mentioning that this shouldn't be attributed to global warming ...
Quote:There are a lot of things I DIDN'T post, on purpose, because I kne
... but a much more direct man-made problem.
Although I have yet to find a great article I read about a few weeks back (and posted somewhere here in the RWED), here's a few others to ease your mind. (You try Googling "Amazon" even with a bunch of filters and not end up with more than half of your results referencing Bezos or his company in one way or another).
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/about-the-amazon-rainforest-fires-le
ts-separate-fact-from-fiction-2019-08-29
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/23/world/americas/amazon-fire-brazil-b
olsonaro.html
Again, I'm not saying this is good news. I'm just saying that people need to read wider sources of information before making decisions on things. We have plenty of historical data to back up the fact that this is nowhere near the worst season on record in the Amazon.
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I'm not arguing with you Kiki. I don't think any of your points aren't sound.
I've heard a lot of people though, both here and in real life, talk about how this is the end of the world or something. What they've all had in common is that they believe that what has happened this season is an unprecedented event, which obviously is not true.
The fact that it is not unprecedented might actually be worse in the long run. Just wanted to make sure people knew the facts is all. Because, as you know, most people here don't bother to read past an article headline.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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I can easily blame it on people like me:
I sleep a lot, then spend the rest
of my time playing on the computer.
How did I get this way? My Dad was an intelligent and
hard working man.
Here's how. Both parents were always laying guilt trips
on me. So I went to live in Fantasyland ... fun places like
Firefly - Serenity.
Here's my hopeful solution: More people who work hard
without laying guilt trips on others.
... oooOO}{OOooo ...
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Originally posted by Oonjerah:
I can easily blame it on people like me:
I sleep a lot, then spend the rest
of my time playing on the computer.
How did I get this way? My Dad was an intelligent and
hard working man.
Here's how. Both parents were always laying guilt trips
on me. So I went to live in Fantasyland ... fun places like
Firefly - Serenity.
Here's my hopeful solution: More people who work hard
without laying guilt trips on others.
Nice to see it hasn't done you in yet.
Did you get around to trying out Steam?
Hubby's fam were the same way, it's why he used to do so much D&D.
He just learned to stay away from them all together. Good luck trying to get people to stop guilt tripping on anything. I think it's Italy's national past-time...
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