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The secret plot to depose Trump

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SIGNYM

Saturday, April 27, 2019 9:32 PM

I created this thread as a place to put all of that information (which will be revealed soon, I think) about the conspiracy against Trump and all who participated in it.

I created a separate thread because there are already multiple posts in multiple threads about social media, M$M, the Clintons, Obama, the FBI/CIA/NSA/DOJ, holdover employees and appointees, foreign governments (not Russian)... it was a wide-ranging conspiracy and in order to understand the full scope, the articles need to be gathered in one thread, and not scattered among many.

THIS IS NOT a defense of Trump. Please don't bring your whines and bitches about Trump and RUSSIA!!!! here! You have a gazillion threads to obssess in; this is something else.

SIGNYM

Saturday, April 27, 2019 9:37 PM

SOMEONE HIGH UP IN THE OBAMA WHITE HOUSE

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How the Obama White House engaged Ukraine to give Russia collusion narrative an early boost

As Donald Trump began his meteoric rise to the presidency, the Obama White House summoned Ukrainian authorities to Washington to coordinate ongoing anti-corruption efforts inside Russia’s most critical neighbor.

The January 2016 gathering, confirmed by multiple participants and contemporaneous memos, brought some of Ukraine’s top corruption prosecutors and investigators face to face with members of former President Obama’s National Security Council (NSC), FBI, State Department and Department of Justice (DOJ).

The agenda suggested the purpose was training and coordination. But Ukrainian participants said it didn’t take long — during the meetings and afterward — to realize the Americans’ objectives included two politically hot investigations: one that touched Vice President Joe Biden’s family and one that involved a lobbying firm linked closely to then-candidate Trump.

U.S. officials “kept talking about how important it was that all of our anti-corruption efforts be united,” said Andrii Telizhenko, then a political officer in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington tasked with organizing the meeting.

Telizhenko, who no longer works for the Ukrainian Embassy, said U.S. officials volunteered during the meetings — one of which was held in the White House’s Old Executive Office Building — that they had an interest in reviving a closed investigation into payments to U.S. figures from Ukraine’s Russia-backed Party of Regions.

That 2014 investigation was led by the FBI and focused heavily on GOP lobbyist Paul Manafort, whose firm long had been tied to Trump through his partner and Trump pal, Roger Stone.

Agents interviewed Manafort in 2014 about whether he received undeclared payments from the party of ousted Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, an ally of Russia’s Vladimir Putin, and whether he engaged in improper foreign lobbying.

The FBI shut down the case without charging Manafort.

Telizhenko said he couldn’t remember whether Manafort was mentioned during the January 2016 meeting. But he and other attendees recalled DOJ officials asking investigators from Ukraine’s National Anti-Corruption Bureau (NABU) if they could help locate new evidence about the Party of Regions’ payments and its dealings with Americans.

“It was definitely the case that led to the charges against Manafort and the leak to U.S. media during the 2016 election,” he said.

That makes the January 2016 meeting one of the earliest documented efforts to build the now-debunked Trump-Russia collusion narrative and one of the first to involve the Obama administration’s intervention.

Spokespeople for the NSC, DOJ and FBI declined to comment. A representative for former Obama national security adviser Susan Rice did not return emails seeking comment.

Nazar Kholodnytskyy, Ukraine’s chief anti-corruption prosecutor, told me he attended some but not all of the January 2016 Washington meetings and couldn’t remember the specific cases, if any, that were discussed.

But he said he soon saw evidence in Ukraine of political meddling in the U.S. election. Kholodnytskyy said the key evidence against Manafort — a ledger showing payments from the Party of Regions — was known to Ukrainian authorities since 2014 but was suddenly released in May 2016 by the U.S.-friendly NABU, after Manafort was named Trump’s campaign chairman: “Somebody kept this black ledger secret for two years and then showed it to the public and the U.S. media. It was extremely suspicious.”

Kholodnytskyy said he explicitly instructed NABU investigators who were working with American authorities not to share the ledger with the media. “Look, Manafort’s case is one of the cases that hurt me a lot,” he said.

“I ordered the detectives to give nothing to the mass media considering this case. Instead, they had broken my order and published themselves these one or two pages of this black ledger regarding Paul Manafort."

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SIGNYM

Saturday, April 27, 2019 10:05 PM

COMEY, according to Rosenstein

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Rosenstein - who recommended firing former FBI Director James Comey and then oversaw the special counsel investigation which ensued - said that the Obama administration did the public a disservice by choosing not to publicly reveal "the full story" of what authorities say happened.

"Some critical decisions about the Russia investigation were made before I got there. The previous Administration chose not to publicize the full story about Russian computer hackers and social media trolls, and how they relate to a broader strategy to undermine America," said Rosenstein in remarks to the Armenian Bar Association's Public Servants Dinner.

Rosenstein also slammed the 'selective leaking' of classified information to the news media.

"The FBI disclosed classified evidence about the investigation to ranking legislators and their staffers. Someone selectively leaked details to the news media. The FBI Director announced at a congressional hearing that there was a counterintelligence investigation that might result in criminal charges. Then the former FBI Director alleged that the President pressured him to close the investigation, and the President denied that the conversation occurred."

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-26/rosenstein-slams-obama-faili
ng-call-out-russian-election-interference

The original article is here

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/rosenstein-calls-out-obama-admin-f
or-failing-to-publicize-russian-election-interference/

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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SECOND

Saturday, April 27, 2019 10:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/440730-how-the-obama-white-hou
se-engaged-ukraine-to-give-russia-collusion

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

I look forward to Trump publicly (and privately) urging Attorney General Barr to indict Obama, Biden, Hillary, Comey, whoever at the FBI.

Barr might not do what Trump wants since Barr has to live in Washington DC after Trump is gone. Barr might not willingly run an actual Witch Hunt, which could be bad for Barr's reputation. I hope Barr indicts at least one from Trump's long list of enemies, proving Trump and Signym are not simply vindictive, vengeful, and full of bullshit.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, April 27, 2019 10:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I created this thread as a place to put all of that information (which will be revealed soon, I think) about the conspiracy against Trump and all who participated in it.

I created a separate thread because there are already multiple posts in multiple threads about social media, M$M, the Clintons, Obama, the FBI/CIA/NSA/DOJ, holdover employees and appointees, foreign governments (not Russian)... it was a wide-ranging conspiracy and in order to understand the full scope, the articles need to be gathered in one thread, and not scattered among many.

THIS IS NOT a defense of Trump. Please don't bring your whines and bitches about Trump and RUSSIA!!!! here! You have a gazillion threads to obssess in; this is something else.

Perhaps you could provide a more clear, outlined description of what you are talking about, or what quote or discussion.
Is this including, or separate from, The Deep State?
What is the time span of this conspiracy? Before the Election, after the Election, before/during/after the Witch Hunt Fishing Expedition?
Or is the scope not yet known?

Also, does the FBI Director have a specific Definition when using the term "Troll" in his statements?

Deep State thread link:
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=61399

Index of posts revealing new reports (of old news which most of us already knew).

#2 - 27 April - Obama White House, Podesta, Biden forcing Ukraine to help with conspiracy.
#3 - 27 April - Comey/Rosenstein.
#10 - 27 April - Mike Whitney.
#17 - 2 May - Nellie Ohr.
#19 - 2 May - Nellie Ohr lying to Congress.
#31 - 3 May - Barr Investigating FBI "Spying"
#32 - 3 May - Azra Turk is first named FBI Spy sent to spy on Trump. Then FBI denied it.
#35 - 3 May - FBI's Honeypot Spytrap against Trump, MSM keeping mum.
#37 - 10 May - FBI, Steele lies are falling apart - link only.
#39 - 11 May - Judgment Day for Brennan

#69 - 14 May - Barr picks Dunham.
#72 - 14 May - Guiliani on Steele and Dossier.
#82 - 17 May - FBI, CIA blaming each other (Comey/Brennan)
#94 - 19 May - James Baker backing away.

#105 - 20 May - Ghost Data finds collusion of Anti-Trump campaign.
#108 - 22 May - Barr closing in on Comey, Brennan
#112 - 23 May - Bucket 5, Gang of 8
#116 - 28 May - from another thread, Trump grants Barr Declassification Authority on documents.
#117 - 28 May - Steele now hiding from Barr & team.
#118 - 30 May - Obama's Crooked Cops & Spies scrambling for cover.
#120 - 31 May - Whistleblower exposes Obama's DOMESTIC Spying program.
#133 - 7 June - Mueller Outright Lie #2.
#134 - 7 June - Mueller Outright Lie #1.
#143 - 16 June - Fake Source of Fake Hacking pretext.
#144 - 16 June - Video of Nunes opening Statement on Mueller Dossier.
#148 - 17 June - Partial transcript of video of Nunes opening statement.
#162 - 22 June - Comey's lies to President, FBI Mole Ferrante in White House.

SIGNYM

Sunday, April 28, 2019 12:29 AM

The deep state has existed for decades (can you provde a link to the deep state thread lease?) but rather than get into a discussion about whether or not the deep state exists I want to focus on a specific "project".

The conspiracy against Trump began, as far as I can tell, before the election and has
continued thru today. There was also a parallel pro-Hillary conspiracy which probably deserves its own thread.

The reason why I believe that a lot of info will be coming out is because now that the Mueller investigation is over, counterinvestigatons can be launched without being framed as obstruction of justice. Many of the conspirators are seeing which way the wind is blowing and will be willing to turn on each other. I think I see this happening already:
Rosenstein is a worm who has turned, and Ukrainian chief prosecutor is providing evidence.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, April 28, 2019 12:39 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The deep state has existed for decades (can you provde a link to the deep state thread lease?) but rather than get into a discusion about whether or not the deep state exists I want to focus on a specific "project".

The conspiracy against Trump began, as far as I can tell, before the election and has
continued thru today. There was also a parallel pro-Hillary consiracy which probably deserves its own thread.

The reson why I believe that a lot of info will be coming out is because now that the Mueller investigation is over, counterinvestigatons can be launched without being framed as obstruction of justice. Many of the conspirators are seeing whichway the wind is blowing and will be willing to turn on each other. I think I see this happening already.

Do you have an idea of how many of these crimes have exceeded their Statutes of Limitations? That was the whole purpose of dragging out the Witch Hunt Fishing Expedition.

WHOZIT

Sunday, April 28, 2019 1:10 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I created this thread as a place to put all of that information (which will be revealed soon, I think) about the conspiracy against Trump and all who participated in it.

I created a separate thread because there are already multiple posts in multiple threads about social media, M$M, the Clintons, Obama, the FBI/CIA/NSA/DOJ, holdover employees and appointees, foreign governments (not Russian)... it was a wide-ranging conspiracy and in order to understand the full scope, the articles need to be gathered in one thread, and not scattered among many.

THIS IS NOT a defense of Trump. Please don't bring your whines and bitches about Trump and RUSSIA!!!! here! You have a gazillion threads to obssess in; this is something else.

It's not a secret Sig, the MSM isn't reporting it. The fact that people in the FBI and DOJ have been fired is proof that the conspiracy has been exposed, the MSM is talking about everything else. Trump is draining the swamp and they're trying to get people to look in another direction.

SIGNYM

Sunday, April 28, 2019 1:40 AM

I'm not even sure how to frame the possible crimes...

Presenting bogus "evidence" to obtain a bogus FISA warrant?

Blanket "unmasking" in order to widen the pool of suspects when it comes to leaking secret info?

Leaking classified info?

Malicious prosecution?

Cooperating with foreign governments to affect USA elections?

(That's not even counting DNC/Clinton possible crimes like obstruction of justice, running a "pay to play" Scy State office, a corrupt foundation, Uranium One etc.)

In any case, whatever happened was within the past 2 1/2 years. If Mueller can reach back to Ukraine 2014, I'm pretty sure a decent prosecutor can reach back 2 1/2 years. in any case, an investigation into the investigation will have political consequences.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

SIGNYM

Sunday, April 28, 2019 1:55 AM

Authored by Mike Whitney via The Unz Review,

Did the FBI spy on the Trump campaign?

Yes

Did the FBI place spies in the Trump campaign?

Yes

Do we know the names of the spies and how they operated?

Yes

Were the spies trying to entrap Trump campaign assistants in order to gather information on Trump?

Yes

Did the spies try to elicit information from Trump campaign assistants in order to justify a wider investigation and more extensive surveillance?

Yes

Were the spies placed in the Trump campaign based on improperly obtained FISA warrants?

Yes

Did the FBI agents procure these warrants based on false or misleading information?

Yes

Could the FBI establish “probable cause” that Trump had committed a crime or “colluded” with Russia?

No

So the ‘spying’ was illegal?

Yes

Have many of the people who authorized the spying, already been identified in criminal referrals presented to the Department of Justice?

Yes

Have the media explained the importance of these criminal referrals or the impact that spying has on free elections?

No

Is the DOJ’s Inspector General currently investigating whether senior-level agents in the FBI committed crimes by improperly obtaining warrants to spy on members of the Trump team?

Yes

Did the FBI spy on the Trump campaign to give Hillary Clinton an unfair advantage in the presidential race?

Yes

Did the FBI spy on the Trump campaign to gather incriminating information on Trump that could be used to blackmail, intimidate or impeach him in the future?

Yes

Does spying pose a threat to our elections and to our democracy?

Yes

Do many people know that there were spies placed in the Trump campaign?

Yes

Have these people effectively used that information to their advantage?

No

Have they launched any type of public relations offensive that would draw more attention to the critical issue of spying on a political campaign?

No

Have they saturated the airwaves with the truth about “spying” the same way their rivals have spread their disinformation about “collusion”?

No

Do they understand that the country is currently embroiled in a fratricidal, scorched earth political civil war in which one side is determined to prevail at all cost?

No

Do they understand that the people who authorized the spying and who perpetrated the coup will do everything in their power to prevent that information from getting out?

No

Does it look like senior-level agents at the FBI, the CIA, the DOJ, the NSA and the Obama White House knew that there were spies in the Trump campaign?

Yes

Did these same senior-level agents at the FBI, the CIA, the DOJ, the NSA and the Obama White House cooperate in a plan to undermine and delegitimize the Trump presidency?

Yes

Did they use false or misleading information to infer the president was an agent of a foreign power?

Yes

Did they know this false and misleading information was unreliable, unverified raw intelligence that was paid for by the DNC and Hillary Clinton?

Yes

Was there a conspiracy to remove Trump from office or to sabotage his presidency through the dissemination of false information?

Yes

Does the use of spies, wiretapping, “unmasking”, strategically-leaked information to the media, and other forms of electronic surveillance suggest that there are organized elements within the permanent bureaucracy which no longer accept the democratic process?

Yes

Is it fair to say that these people are the enemies of free elections?

Yes

Is it possible for patriotic officials in the Justice Department and in the U.S. Congress to stand up to this powerful deep state apparatus, expose what happened during the 2016 presidential campaign, identify the perpetrators, and bring them to justice?

It is possible, but not likely.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS