Redacted Mueller report

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RUE

Sunday, April 21, 2019 12:57 AM

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Originally posted by SECOND:
Rue, it does not sound fishy. You sound stupid and overly articulate. The full paragraphs from the Mueller Report (page 214 of 448):

Third, we considered whether to evaluate the conduct we investigated under the Justice Manual standards governing prosecution and declination decisions, but we determined not to apply an approach that could potentially result in a judgment that the President committed crimes. The threshold step under the Justice Manual standards is to assess whether a person’s conduct “constitutes a federal offense.” U.S. Dep’t of Justice, Justice Manual § 9-27.220 (2018) (Justice Manual). Fairness concerns counseled against potentially reaching that judgment when no charges can be brought. The ordinary means for an individual to respond to an accusation is through a speedy and public trial, with all the procedural protections that surround a criminal case. An individual who believes he was wrongly accused can use that process to seek to clear his name. In contrast, a prosecutor’s judgment that crimes were committed, but that no charges will be brought, affords no such adversarial opportunity for public name-clearing before an impartial adjudicator.5

The concerns about the fairness of such a determination would be heightened in the case of a sitting President, where a federal prosecutor’s accusation of a crime, even in an internal report, could carry consequences that extend beyond the realm of criminal justice. OLC noted similar concerns about sealed indictments. Even if an indictment were sealed during the President’s term, OLC reasoned, “it would be very difficult to preserve [an indictment’s] secrecy,” and if an indictment became public, “[t]he stigma and opprobrium” could imperil the President’s ability to govern.”6 Although a prosecutor’s internal report would not represent a formal public accusation akin to an indictment, the possibility of the report’s public disclosure and the absence of a neutral adjudicatory forum to review its findings counseled against potentially determining “that the person’s conduct constitutes a federal offense.” Justice Manual § 9-27.220.

You can make of these paragraphs what you will, but it plainly means Mueller, from the very start, before even beginning to work, will not indict Trump, even secretly for prosecution after Trump is out of office, no matter what is discovered.

So I went back to check the actual report, a copy of which I have easily accessible on my computer, because, SECOND, you have a nasty reputation of very BIASED AND DISHONEST representation of so called 'facts'.

Of particular interest to me were the paragraphs you DIDN'T post. And then I realized that OLC (Office of Legal Council) was an extremely useful search term and checked out that information to get a more complete picture.

Re the the two paragraphs you DIDN'T post. Those paragraphs refer SPECIFICALLY to obstruction of justice, not to any potential collusion* (*shorthand for the entire phrase). And they apply ONLY to the President, not to anyone else. The fact that NOBODY WAS INDICTED FOR OBSTRUCTION, despite being legally liable for it, is very telling.

But I won't comment on the general OLC information because, frankly, it's too long, too complicated, and too contrary to your POV for you to read, understand, or even think honestly about, let alone discuss rationally.

Bur for anyone who doesn't want a biased 'source' to feed them their 'thoughts', the report is easily downloadable as a pdf, and searchable.

SIGNYM

Sunday, April 21, 2019 1:50 AM

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You being a complete idiot triggers me. The report clearly stated communications were deleted.

How many? Between who and whom?

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What person that is INNOCENT deletes communications?

The same kind of person that deletes 33,000 subpoenaed emails?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, April 21, 2019 2:13 AM

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Originally posted by WISHIMAY:

What person that is INNOCENT deletes communications?

Cough... Cough... 33,000 emails... Cough...

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What innocent person orders others to do illegal things??

Cough... Smash your cellphones with a hammer... Cough... Cough...

Do Right, Be Right. :)

AURAPTOR

Sunday, April 21, 2019 2:29 AM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

What I read doesn't change the facts. You're angry at me because I'm stating a fact. Our President didn't collude or obstruct. He's not a Russian puppet, and this has triggered you.

That is very odd behavior and is extremely telling.
Do you want to know what is odd and extremely telling? It is Trump saying, "I have no recollection." That was Trump's answer to every question asked of him by Mueller. That's the kind of answer you get from a crook that knows he cannot be waterboarded to get a real answer. Trump starts with "I have no recollection" on page 429 and ends with "I have no recollection" on page 438. Then Trump switched to "I do not remember" on page 439, for a little variety in not answering simple questions.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Burden of proof rests upon the state to make its case. It's not for defendants to clear their name.

No case was made.

It is your OPINION that ' crooks give that sort of response '

That's how justice works in a free country. Be very glad for it.

Wonder why we've never seen Hillary's transcript when SHE talked to the FBI ?

I'm betting you're not curious in the least as to what was said and how she answered.

SIGNYM

Sunday, April 21, 2019 3:46 AM

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I'm betting you're not curious in the least as to what was said and how she answered.

Oh, I know how she answered ...

"Like, with a cloth?"

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

WISHIMAY

Sunday, April 21, 2019 5:00 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Cough... Cough... 33,000 emails... Cough...

Cough... Smash your cellphones with a hammer... Cough... Cough...

I know a shitstained brain like yours cannot grasp simple facts, or read and retain ANYTHING, but you should try just this once.

I AM NOT, NOR HAVE I EVER BEEN, A HILLARY SUPPORTER.

Your argument means NOTHING to me. She is NOT PRESIDENT. Neither ONE OF THEM SHOULD BE.

The amount of stupid around here....

RUE

Sunday, April 21, 2019 6:02 AM

Toots

These are questions YOU asked - remember?

Quote:
Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
What person that is INNOCENT deletes communications? What innocent person orders others to do illegal things??

And those are the questions that got answered. I'm sorry the answers made you look so one-sided you might as well be blind, but hey ... maybe you're not the arbiter of truth and justice you think you are.

SECOND

Sunday, April 21, 2019 6:12 AM

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Originally posted by rue:
So I went back to check the actual report, a copy of which I have easily accessible on my computer, because, SECOND, you have a nasty reputation of very BIASED AND DISHONEST representation of so called 'facts'.

Of particular interest to me were the paragraphs you DIDN'T post. And then I realized that OLC (Office of Legal Council) was an extremely useful search term and checked out that information to get a more complete picture.

Re the the two paragraphs you DIDN'T post. Those paragraphs refer SPECIFICALLY to obstruction of justice, not to any potential collusion* (*shorthand for the entire phrase). And they apply ONLY to the President, not to anyone else. The fact that NOBODY WAS INDICTED FOR OBSTRUCTION, despite being legally liable for it, is very telling.

But I won't comment on the general OLC information because, frankly, it's too long, too complicated, and too contrary to your POV for you to read, understand, or even think honestly about, let alone discuss rationally.

Bur for anyone who doesn't want a biased 'source' to feed them their 'thoughts', the report is easily downloadable as a pdf, and searchable.

rue, your confusion may stem from White House counsel Don McGahn, Corey Lewandowski and Rick Dearborn all NOT committing obstruction. Each told Trump to fuck off -- they were not going to do what Trump ordered. That is why they were not charged with obstruction of justice. rue, you are such a nitwit.

The following statement on Page 158 of Volume II. Here, Mueller wrote: “The President’s efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful, but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests.” This disobedient group included high-level officials—FBI Director James Comey and White House counsel Don McGahn—as well as seeming longtime loyalists Corey Lewandowski and Rick Dearborn. In each case Mueller cited, the president ordered these surrogates—either directly or via another surrogate—to take some extraordinary action to obstruct the Russia probe, and in each case Trump was rebuffed.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/04/don-mcgahn-trump-orders-mu
eller-crimes.html

When you think about it, the next two years will be a rough time for Trump getting things done, other than running for reelection. He will give orders and the orders will be ignored because his government employees know Trump is either an idiot or a crook, if they read the Mueller Report. They don't want to go to jail while Trump gets off “scot-free”. Trump thinks the word is Scott Free. What a dumbass: www.huffpost.com/entry/scot-free-scott-free-donald-trump_n_5c05a550e4b
07aec57519c5f

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

RUE

Sunday, April 21, 2019 6:30 AM

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Originally posted by SECOND:
I've got no answer for why NOBODY was indicted for obstruction, so I'm just going to blather about irrelevant pointless shit. fify

Pretty much sums it up?

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Sunday, April 21, 2019 6:54 AM

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Originally posted by rue:
Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND:
I've got no answer for why NOBODY was indicted for obstruction, so I'm just going to blather about irrelevant pointless shit. fify
Pretty much sums it up?

Aren't you the one that always bitches and moans about how it's a forum crime to change someone's quotes?
^Pretty much sums you up.

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