Redacted Mueller report

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SIGNYM

Saturday, April 20, 2019 12:18 PM

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If Hillary had a normal affair you idiots would be screaming from the rooftops, right hypocrite?- TWITCHY

As usual, you're assuming that people have ideas that they don't have.

I didn't scream about Monica and Bill, why should I scream about Hillary? Hell, if Hillary had a "normal" affair at least that would be one normal thing about her!

It would be really helpful if you, SECOND, "SHINY""GOOD"GUY", REAVERBOT, GSTRING and THUGR wouldn't make any statements assuming that the people that you're posting to hold certain ideas unless they've specifically stated so. I call that "arguing with the voices in your head" because you aren't responding to what people have posted but instead are responding to what YOU think "they" think. SECOND, for example, is CONSTANTLY arguing with Texas Republicans. The only problem is, there aren't any Texas Republicans here.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

SECOND

Saturday, April 20, 2019 5:57 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
“we determined not to apply an approach that could potentially result in a judgment that the president committed crimes”

Who was this 'we'? Are there names attached to 'we'? Because ... why? Was there some legal reasoning laid out for examination? When did this supposedly happen? Was it before or after they got to the bottom of the barrel?

It sounds fishy.

Rue, it does not sound fishy. You sound stupid and overly articulate. The full paragraphs from the Mueller Report (page 214 of 448):

Third, we considered whether to evaluate the conduct we investigated under the Justice Manual standards governing prosecution and declination decisions, but we determined not to apply an approach that could potentially result in a judgment that the President committed crimes. The threshold step under the Justice Manual standards is to assess whether a person’s conduct “constitutes a federal offense.” U.S. Dep’t of Justice, Justice Manual § 9-27.220 (2018) (Justice Manual). Fairness concerns counseled against potentially reaching that judgment when no charges can be brought. The ordinary means for an individual to respond to an accusation is through a speedy and public trial, with all the procedural protections that surround a criminal case. An individual who believes he was wrongly accused can use that process to seek to clear his name. In contrast, a prosecutor’s judgment that crimes were committed, but that no charges will be brought, affords no such adversarial opportunity for public name-clearing before an impartial adjudicator.5

The concerns about the fairness of such a determination would be heightened in the case of a sitting President, where a federal prosecutor’s accusation of a crime, even in an internal report, could carry consequences that extend beyond the realm of criminal justice. OLC noted similar concerns about sealed indictments. Even if an indictment were sealed during the President’s term, OLC reasoned, “it would be very difficult to preserve [an indictment’s] secrecy,” and if an indictment became public, “[t]he stigma and opprobrium” could imperil the President’s ability to govern.”6 Although a prosecutor’s internal report would not represent a formal public accusation akin to an indictment, the possibility of the report’s public disclosure and the absence of a neutral adjudicatory forum to review its findings counseled against potentially determining “that the person’s conduct constitutes a federal offense.” Justice Manual § 9-27.220.

You can make of these paragraphs what you will, but it plainly means Mueller, from the very start, before even beginning to work, will not indict Trump, even secretly for prosecution after Trump is out of office, no matter what is discovered.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, April 20, 2019 6:14 PM

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Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

But I certainly don't give a shit what he does behind closed doors with consenting adults.

Only when it suits your purposes, right?

If Hillary had a normal affair you idiots would be screaming from the rooftops, right hypocrite?

Really?

Please, Wishy. I implore you to dig up any posts where I ever once piled on a politician for any of their sexual endeavors that didn't involve minors.

You won't find them, because they're not there.

Quite the contrary. The one thing I know you will find if you dug deep enough was my arguments against using a politicians sexual proclivities and/or exploits to ruin and/or silence them, specifically in the case of Elliot Spitzer, when he was bringing a fight to Wall Street before the DOW crashed in 2008. They got dirt that he paid a "Girls Gone Wild" star $5,000 per hour for some "escort" service and shut him up good, shortly before the DOW crashed.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Saturday, April 20, 2019 6:26 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Really?

Please, Wishy. I implore you to dig up any posts where I ever once piled on a politician for any of their sexual endeavors that didn't involve minors.

You won't find them, because they're not there.

Quite the contrary. The one thing I know you will find if you dug deep enough was my arguments against using a politicians sexual proclivities and/or exploits to ruin and/or silence them, specifically in the case of Elliot Spitzer, when he was bringing a fight to Wall Street before the DOW crashed in 2008. They got dirt that he paid a "Girls Gone Wild" star $5,000 per hour for some "escort" service and shut him up good, shortly before the DOW crashed.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6ix, your interpretation is wrong because what you remember is not what happened. Spitzer first drew the attention of federal investigators when his bank reported suspicious money transfers under the anti-money laundering provisions of the Bank Secrecy Act and the Patriot Act.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_Spitzer#Prostitution_scandal

Spitzer wanted to transfer more than $10,000 to a front company for the prostitution ring. However, he broke up the transactions into smaller slices due to federal law requiring the reporting of any transfer of $10,000 or more. When he tried to get his name taken off the wires, the bank refused, saying that the money had already been wired out and that it would be improper to do so in any case. The IRS Criminal Investigation Division then began a probe, initially fearing that Spitzer was the victim of either extortion or identity theft.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_Spitzer_prostitution_scandal

Spitzer did not learn from experience. He got into more prostitution trouble in 2016:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_Spitzer#2016_extortion_scandal

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

AURAPTOR

Saturday, April 20, 2019 7:04 PM

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Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Trump didn't collude, didn't obstruct, and was fully compliant w/ the investigation. He didn't issue any executive privilege

You didn't even bother to read the highlights, did you brainless??

What I read doesn't change the facts. You're angry at me because I'm stating a fact. Our President didn't collude or obstruct. He's not a Russian puppet, and this has triggered you.

That is very odd behavior and is extremely telling.

SECOND

Saturday, April 20, 2019 7:32 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

What I read doesn't change the facts. You're angry at me because I'm stating a fact. Our President didn't collude or obstruct. He's not a Russian puppet, and this has triggered you.

That is very odd behavior and is extremely telling.

Do you want to know what is odd and extremely telling? It is Trump saying, "I have no recollection." That was Trump's answer to every question asked of him by Mueller. That's the kind of answer you get from a crook that knows he cannot be waterboarded to get a real answer. Trump starts with "I have no recollection" on page 429 and ends with "I have no recollection" on page 438. Then Trump switched to "I do not remember" on page 439, for a little variety in not answering simple questions.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, April 20, 2019 8:49 PM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Really?

Please, Wishy. I implore you to dig up any posts where I ever once piled on a politician for any of their sexual endeavors that didn't involve minors.

You won't find them, because they're not there.

Quite the contrary. The one thing I know you will find if you dug deep enough was my arguments against using a politicians sexual proclivities and/or exploits to ruin and/or silence them, specifically in the case of Elliot Spitzer, when he was bringing a fight to Wall Street before the DOW crashed in 2008. They got dirt that he paid a "Girls Gone Wild" star $5,000 per hour for some "escort" service and shut him up good, shortly before the DOW crashed.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
6ix, your interpretation is wrong because what you remember is not what happened. Spitzer first drew the attention of federal investigators when his bank reported suspicious money transfers under the anti-money laundering provisions of the Bank Secrecy Act and the Patriot Act.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_Spitzer#Prostitution_scandal

Spitzer wanted to transfer more than $10,000 to a front company for the prostitution ring. However, he broke up the transactions into smaller slices due to federal law requiring the reporting of any transfer of $10,000 or more. When he tried to get his name taken off the wires, the bank refused, saying that the money had already been wired out and that it would be improper to do so in any case. The IRS Criminal Investigation Division then began a probe, initially fearing that Spitzer was the victim of either extortion or identity theft.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_Spitzer_prostitution_scandal

Spitzer did not learn from experience. He got into more prostitution trouble in 2016:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_Spitzer#2016_extortion_scandal

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

lol...

Wow. That's a lot of false data the NSA or one of the other alphabet agencies put on Wikipedia after the fact.

You're wrong. Wikipedia is wrong.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Saturday, April 20, 2019 9:34 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

lol...

Wow. That's a lot of false data the NSA or one of the other alphabet agencies put on Wikipedia after the fact.

You're wrong. Wikipedia is wrong.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6ix, you voted for Trump because you have shit for brains. The FBI was watching Spitzer. When he realized that, Spitzer freaked out and resigned. He could have played it cool, like Trump would, and refused to resign. He couldn't be forced out and replaced with Lt. Gov. David A. Paterson. Neither can Trump be forced out and replaced with V.P. Mike Pence. But Spitzer was a weakling. He resigned.

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/11/AR20080311003
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

RUE

Saturday, April 20, 2019 9:50 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol...

Wow. That's a lot of false data the NSA or one of the other alphabet agencies put on Wikipedia after the fact.

You're wrong. Wikipedia is wrong.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Sadly Jack, you're right. Wiki gets 'corrected' by intelligence agencies. There are a number of incidents in past news that I've gone to check that don't match up with my recollection. And FWIW I remember the story as you told it.

WISHIMAY

Saturday, April 20, 2019 11:00 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

What I read doesn't change the facts. You're angry at me because I'm stating a fact. Our President didn't collude or obstruct. He's not a Russian puppet, and this has triggered you.

You being a complete idiot triggers me. The report clearly stated communications were deleted. What person that is INNOCENT deletes communications? What innocent person orders others to do illegal things?? Why did the report take 400+ pages if he was innocent?? You and every member of the GOP are just... dirty.

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