Evidence: So where are we now(II) ?
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Quote:Trump didn't have any business in Russia. Cohen couldn't even get through the front door to talk to anybody to create any business in Russia. Furthermore, Trump had no interactions with representatives of Russia. (While the article is squishy about it, when it says "representatives of Russia" presumably it means official representatives of the Russian state.)
Originally posted by SECOND-RATE:
Trump himself repeatedly stated since entering the presidential race in June 2015 that he had no business in Russia and no interactions with representatives of Russia.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:Trump didn't have any business in Russia. Cohen couldn't even get through the front door to talk to anybody to create any business in Russia. Furthermore, Trump had no interactions with representatives of Russia. (While the article is squishy about it, when it says "representatives of Russia" presumably it means official representatives of the Russian state.)
Originally posted by SECOND-RATE:
Trump himself repeatedly stated since entering the presidential race in June 2015 that he had no business in Russia and no interactions with representatives of Russia.
2013 Trump owned Miss Universe in Russia
https://bit.ly/2o7JEWT
Trump Jr flapping his gums: "2008: Trump’s son, Donald Trump Jr., told investors in Moscow that the Trump Organization had trademarked the Donald Trump name in Russia and planned to build housing and hotels in Moscow, St. Petersburg and Sochi, and sell licenses to other developers, the Russian daily Kommersant reported. “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets,” Trump Jr. said at the time. “We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia."
Other entries into Russian business world:
https://bit.ly/2GlQAx6
Even More:
https://wapo.st/2h6v9UX
We all should have learned by now that Trump is a compulsive liar. If anything, we all should have learned that the opposite of what he says is usually the truth.
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"trademarked the Donald Trump name in Russia"
Let me point out that a trademark isn't a business. ALSO - the more I read about the various goings-on, the more it becomes evident that nearly all of claims made by pretty much everybody are just so much gum-flapping by people who are pretending things exist that don't. People pretend to have an 'in' with Putin, Trump Jr pretends to have viable business opportunities in Russia. And so on.
And as I suspected from my first reading re the 'Trump Tower' meeting many months ago, everybody was trying to scam the campaign.
Trump Jr was never in direct contact with Emin Agalarov who's father supposedly had dirt on Hillary. "Trump Jr. responded: Thanks Rob I appreciate that. I am on the road at the moment but perhaps I just speak to Emin first. Seems we have some time and if it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer. Could we do a call first thing next week when I am back?" It looks like Trump Jr was trying to do due diligence on a random contact that came his way, and was being open ENOUGH to finally get to see the goods. ... Which as we know was nothing about dirt on Hillary.
Felix Sate was scamming Cohen about his contacts within Russia (with zero results) to the point that Cohen had to send an email to a general public address he got off the internet - but he never got a reply.
And so on.
There were never any contacts made, never any agreements, never any potential for either quid pro quo or extortion in any of these non-events. Really, how can you be extorted over nothing?
Meanwhile - FROM YOUR OWN LINKS
Quote:I don't need to go any further to know that TRUMP HAD NO BUSINESS IN RUSSIA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_projects_of_Donald_Trump_in_Rus
sia
Trump was never able to successfully conclude any real estate deals in Russia.
No matter how much you're trying to sell that scam.
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I think this is the perfect place to cross-post what was posted elsewhere:
What Rachel Maddow spews 24/7. Keep in mind: This is all from ONE show
How the M$M treats Trump
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"trademarked the Donald Trump name in Russia"
Let me point out that a trademark isn't a business. ALSO - the more I read about the various goings-on, the more it becomes evident that nearly all of claims made by pretty much everybody are just so much gum-flapping by people who are pretending things exist that don't. People pretend to have an 'in' with Putin, Trump Jr pretends to have viable business opportunities in Russia. And so on.
And as I suspected from my first reading re the 'Trump Tower' meeting many months ago, everybody was trying to scam the campaign.
Trump Jr was never in direct contact with Emin Agalarov who's father supposedly had dirt on Hillary. "Trump Jr. responded: Thanks Rob I appreciate that. I am on the road at the moment but perhaps I just speak to Emin first. Seems we have some time and if it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer. Could we do a call first thing next week when I am back?" It looks like Trump Jr was trying to do due diligence on a random contact that came his way, and was being open ENOUGH to finally get to see the goods. ... Which as we know was nothing about dirt on Hillary.
Felix Sate was scamming Cohen about his contacts within Russia (with zero results) to the point that Cohen had to send an email to a general public address he got off the internet - but he never got a reply.
And so on.
There were never any contacts made, never any agreements, never any potential for either quid pro quo or extortion in any of these non-events. Really, how can you be extorted over nothing?
Meanwhile - FROM YOUR OWN LINKSQuote:I don't need to go any further to know that TRUMP HAD NO BUSINESS IN RUSSIA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_projects_of_Donald_Trump_in_Rus
sia
Trump was never able to successfully conclude any real estate deals in Russia.
No matter how much you're trying to sell that scam.
Goddamn, Kiki - use your head. Sorry - Trump's kid? Maybe you didn't read that or just choose to recklessly ignore it? You use ignorance as a shield.
Miss Universe - oops! Business in Russia. Not to mention the deals he did in the US with Russians. He's the great deal maker, remember? And what makes you think EVERY deal he's ever done is public? On his taxes though... he's such a chiseler he would risk getting a tax break for a Russian business deal and just hope he could hide it forever.
It shows his desire to work deals in Russia over the course of DECADES - do you see that? No quid pro quo? So he's banging on Russia's door trying to get in. You don't think a deal could be worked to accommodate that? You know nothing of how deals get done.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I think this is the perfect place to cross-post what was posted elsewhere:
What Rachel Maddow spews 24/7. Keep in mind: This is all from ONE show
How the M$M treats Trump
It's so fun watching you and Jack being desperate!
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Quote:Had a meeting with a lawyer who had no information or connection to offer the campaign. In fact, Trump Jr got a bait-and switch. He got scammed.
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Goddamn, Kiki - use your head. Sorry - Trump's kid?
Quote:Trump was paid a $20M one-time fee in 2013 for hosting the pageant. Meanwhile, Bill Clinton got a $500,000 one-time speaking fee for speaking in Russia. If Clinton's one time fee wasn't a 'business' - as in, an ongoing profit-making financial organization - neither was Trump's.
Miss Universe - oops! Business in Russia.
Quote:'Deals'. With 'Russians'. 'In the US'. Are you too ignorant to understand that those 'deals' - in the US, not Russia - with 'Russians' - don't constitute business in Russia? I guess you are.
Not to mention the deals he did in the US with Russians.
Even SECOND-RATE's article admits that when Trump said he had no business in Russia he was speaking the truth. It did say that 'technically' it was the truth. But then, the truth is the truth, 'technically' or not.
Quote:Your claim is the Trump had business in Russia.
It shows his desire to work deals in Russia
In Russia - in the US - with 'Russians' - with Putin - it's just all one big pile of mashed potatoes in your head, isn't it?
Quote:Trump had a one-time fee for a one-time event. Nothing else.
over the course of DECADES - do you see that?
Quote:Nope. No quid pro quo.
No quid pro quo?
Quote:It looks more like peripheral people were banging on Trump's door, trying to get in. Butina. Veselnitskaya. Agalarov. Sate. And others.
So he's banging on Russia's door trying to get in.
But how is Trump responsible for their actions?
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Quote:But let me follow up on this. What is your experience? Inform us all how this kind of thing happens.
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
You know nothing of how deals get done.
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You know nothing of how deals get done. - GSTRING
But let me follow up on this. What is your experience? Inform us all how this kind of thing happens.- KIKI
I would bet $1000 that GSTRING never answers this question, but nobody here will bet against me.
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It's so fun watching GSTRING and THUGR and JO being desperate!
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
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Still No Evidence.
Trolls are getting frothy.
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Quote:HAHAHAHAHA!!!
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Still No Evidence.
Trolls are getting frothy.
I'm waiting for GSTRING to tell us about his experience how "deals get done".
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
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Quote:It's a shame there are only 2 kinds of folk remaining here. The reasonable people who clearly see pizmo is obviously lying, and is also a coward, and then his comrade Trolls who either know he is lying or know their delusions are indefensible.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
You know nothing of how deals get done. - GSTRING
But let me follow up on this. What is your experience? Inform us all how this kind of thing happens.- KIKI
I would bet $1000 that GSTRING never answers this question, but nobody here will bet against me.Quote:
It's so fun watching GSTRING and THUGR and JO being desperate!
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Quote:Maybe pizmo thinks that, just because he rents out his bung to get deals done, that must be how everybody else does it the same.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:HAHAHAHAHA!!!
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Still No Evidence.
Trolls are getting frothy.
I'm waiting for GSTRING to tell us about his experience how "deals get done".
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
You know nothing of how deals get done.
Quote:Maybe that was too difficult a question for you. So let me get down to specifics. Of all the Russians who approached anyone connected to Trump in any way, exactly none of them were what they represented themselves to be. Nobody had the connections, influence, or information they claimed. That's a remarkable statistic, don't you think? Every single contact with the Trump orbit was a scam.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
But let me follow up on this. What is your experience? Inform us all how this kind of thing happens.
How does one reliably conduct business in that environment?
How does one reliably collude in that situation?
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It's funny watching the Russian trolls continue to deny reality.
You act as though anyone here believes a word you say.
Maybe Jack, but he's a seriously slow trumptard.
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don't want this to get drowned in the sewage:
Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
You know nothing of how deals get done.
Quote:Maybe that was too difficult a question for you. So let me get down to specifics. Of all the Russians who approached anyone connected to Trump in any way, exactly none of them were what they represented themselves to be. Nobody had the connections, influence, or information they claimed. That's a remarkable statistic, don't you think? Every single Russian contact with the Trump orbit was a scam.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
But let me follow up on this. What is your experience? Inform us all how this kind of thing happens.
How does one reliably conduct business in that environment?
How does one reliably collude in that situation?
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Quote:New numbers are in:
Originally posted by THG:
President Trump has made 3,001 false or misleading claims so far
President Trump has made 6,420 false or misleading claims over 649 days
www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/11/02/president-trump-has-made-fa
lse-or-misleading-claims-over-days/
In the first nine months of his presidency, Trump made 1,318 false or misleading claims, an average of five a day. But in the seven weeks leading up the midterm elections, the president made 1,419 false or misleading claims — an average of 30 a day.
Combined with the rest of his presidency, that adds up to a total of 6,420 claims through Oct. 30, the 649th day of his term in office, according to The Fact Checker’s database that analyzes, categorizes and tracks every suspect statement uttered by the president. www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims-database/
The flood of presidential misinformation has picked up dramatically as the president has barnstormed across the country, holding rallies with his supporters. Each of those rallies usually yields 35 to 45 suspect claims. But the president often has tacked on interviews with local media (in which he repeats the same false statements) and gaggles with the White House press corps before and after his trips.
There are many curious moments suggesting the president is walled off from contradictory information.
In an interview with the Wall Street Journal, Trump emphatically denied he had imposed many tariffs. “I mean, other than some tariffs on steel — which is actually small, what do we have? . . . Where do we have tariffs? We don’t have tariffs anywhere,” he insisted. The newspaper responded by printing a list of $305 billion tariffs on many types of U.S. imports.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Me: Goddamn, Kiki - use your head. Sorry - Trump's kid?
Kiki: Had a meeting with a lawyer who had no information or connection to offer the campaign.
Wrong reference, try: “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets,” Trump Jr. said at the time. “We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia."
Also known as business with Russians
Me: Miss Universe - oops! Business in Russia.
Kiki: Trump was paid a $20M one-time fee in 2013 for hosting the pageant.
Riiiight - also known as business with Russians
Kiki: Bill Clinton (! 
!)got a $500,000 one-time speaking fee for speaking in Russia. If Clinton's one time fee wasn't a 'business' - as in, an ongoing profit-making financial organization - neither was Trump's. 'Deals'. With 'Russians'. 'In the US'. Are you too ignorant to understand that those 'deals' - in the US, not Russia - with 'Russians' - don't constitute business in Russia? I guess you are.
Me: wow, you and siggy with the weak deflections never ends.
BTW: Are you too ignorant to understand that the problem isn't where the Russian deals happen, it's with whom? Kompromat? Lying? Do you understand larger even modest concepts or do you just prefer to act ignorant? I get it - you're kind of forced to do the latter.
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GEEBERS
The claim was that Trump had business - an ongoing financial enterprise - in Russia.
I know you like to lie - a lot - scratch that - pretty much about everything - but not only does your post make you look like the liar you are, it makes you look like a stupid one. NOTHING in your post indicates Trump had BUSINESS IN RUSSIA. Not 'with Russians. Not a past-time event-fee. Not a decade old PR line. But actual BUSINESS IN RUSSIA.
Quote:
Originally posted by GEEBERS:
“Russians" Trump Jr. said 10 years ago. “We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia."
business with Russians
and then fact-free innuendo about business with Russians
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don't want this to get drowned in the sewage:
Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
You know nothing of how deals get done.
Quote:Maybe that was too difficult a question for you. So let me get down to specifics. Of all the Russians who approached anyone connected to Trump in any way, exactly none of them were what they represented themselves to be. Nobody had the connections, influence, or information they claimed. That's a remarkable statistic, don't you think? Every single Russian contact with the Trump orbit was a scam.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
But let me follow up on this. What is your experience? Inform us all how this kind of thing happens.
How does one reliably conduct business in that environment?
How does one reliably collude in that situation?
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Quote:
Originally posted by friki:
The claim was that Trump had business - an ongoing financial enterprise - in Russia.
WHAT claim? Who made that claim, you? Trump said he had no dealings WITH Russia - here, from his mouth since you don't like reading:
Like I said, doesn't matter where, it's with whom. Or is that your game, just messin' with syntax "in" instead of "with?"
Quote:
Originally posted by friki:
I know you like to lie - a lot - scratch that - pretty much about everything
That's a lie.
If I lie so much why can't you find one? Fetch FRIKI!
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Then you have a problem with SECOND-RATE and Forbes.
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How many times can you duck this topic, GEEBERS. I even dumbed the question down for you.
don't want this to get drowned in the your sewage:
Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
You know nothing of how deals get done.
Quote:Maybe that was too difficult a question for you. So let me get down to specifics. Of all the Russians who approached anyone connected to Trump in any way, exactly none of them were what they represented themselves to be. Nobody had the connections, influence, or information they claimed. That's a remarkable statistic, don't you think? Every single Russian contact with the Trump orbit was a scam.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
But let me follow up on this. What is your experience? Inform us all how this kind of thing happens.
How does one reliably conduct business in that environment?
How does one reliably collude in that situation?
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
How many times can you duck this topic, GEEBERS. I even dumbed the question down for you.
don't want this to get drowned intheyour sewage:Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
You know nothing of how deals get done.
Quote:Maybe that was too difficult a question for you. So let me get down to specifics. Of all the Russians who approached anyone connected to Trump in any way, exactly none of them were what they represented themselves to be. Nobody had the connections, influence, or information they claimed. That's a remarkable statistic, don't you think? Every single Russian contact with the Trump orbit was a scam.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
But let me follow up on this. What is your experience? Inform us all how this kind of thing happens.
How does one reliably conduct business in that environment?
How does one reliably collude in that situation?
Honestly, you're just too stupid or too determined to act stupid to bother with any more.
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Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
How many times can you duck this topic, GEEBERS. I even dumbed the question down for you.
don't want this to get drowned intheyour sewage:Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
You know nothing of how deals get done.
Quote:Maybe that was too difficult a question for you. So let me get down to specifics. Of all the Russians who approached anyone connected to Trump in any way, exactly none of them were what they represented themselves to be. Nobody had the connections, influence, or information they claimed. That's a remarkable statistic, don't you think? Every single Russian contact with the Trump orbit was a scam.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
But let me follow up on this. What is your experience? Inform us all how this kind of thing happens.
How does one reliably conduct business in that environment?
How does one reliably collude in that situation?
I get it now.
pizmo thinks that Yakov Smirnoff represents the Government of Russia, just as any other person from there.
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Trump and his adult children agree to dissolve the Trump Foundation charity amid a lawsuit alleging 'persistently illegal conduct'
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-dissolves-trump-foundation-chari
ty-amid-new-york-lawsuit-2018-12
More to come on this. The investigation goes on.
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Remember folks, the Judge saw all the redacted info we haven't.
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Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Trump and his adult children agree to dissolve the Trump Foundation charity amid a lawsuit alleging 'persistently illegal conduct'
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-dissolves-trump-foundation-chari
ty-amid-new-york-lawsuit-2018-12
More to come on this. The investigation goes on.
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This article truly makes it sound as if we are living in the fascist dictatorship that the left has been screaming about for two years now. /sarcasm
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Still No Evidence.
And we are well past another Monday.
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Quote:Go to this link and see Trump's signature on a Trump Tower Moscow letter of intent. CNN has receipts.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Still No Evidence.
And we are well past another Monday.
Trump personally signed it.
www.vox.com/2018/12/19/18148110/trump-tower-moscow-letter-of-intent-si
gnature
It is letter of intent personally signed by Donald Trump to proceed with a lucrative Trump Tower Moscow project that would have provided his company with a $4 million upfront fee.
Trump himself signed the letter of intent, which is dated October 28, 2015 — five months after Trump launched his presidential campaign, and during a period in which he was lavishing praise on Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Even though he personally signed a letter of intent for Trump Tower Moscow, Trump repeatedly claimed during his campaign that he had “nothing to do with Russia” and “I know nothing about Russia ... I don’t deal there.” Next, he will be saying I wasn't bribed by $4,000,000. It takes more to buy me.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:Go to this link and see Trump's signature on a Trump Tower Moscow letter of intent. CNN has receipts.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Still No Evidence.
And we are well past another Monday.
Trump personally signed it.
www.vox.com/2018/12/19/18148110/trump-tower-moscow-letter-of-intent-si
gnature
It is letter of intent personally signed by Donald Trump to proceed with a lucrative Trump Tower Moscow project that would have provided his company with a $4 million upfront fee.
Trump himself signed the letter of intent, which is dated October 28, 2015 — five months after Trump launched his presidential campaign, and during a period in which he was lavishing praise on Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Even though he personally signed a letter of intent for Trump Tower Moscow, Trump repeatedly claimed during his campaign that he had “nothing to do with Russia” and “I know nothing about Russia ... I don’t deal there.” Next, he will be saying I wasn't bribed by $4,000,000. It takes more to buy me.
Pro Trump people are not interested in facts, clearly.
I recall one of the first days of the reign of Lord Trump, when he ran out a bunch of stacks of (probably blank) 8x10 sheets of paper and other misc official looking papers during a press conference and said "here, see I'm completely divested!" And then he said his kids would take over the business while he was president (ie; pilfering the US treasury). And then in a moment of inspiration he looked at the crowd and said, "and if they don't do a good job I'll tell them, "You're Fired!" hahahahah..." Surreal.
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Quote:I saw this:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Pro Trump people are not interested in facts, clearly.
I recall one of the first days of the reign of Lord Trump, when he ran out a bunch of stacks of (probably blank) 8x10 sheets of paper and other misc official looking papers during a press conference and said "here, see I'm completely divested!" And then he said his kids would take over the business while he was president (ie; pilfering the US treasury). And then in a moment of inspiration he looked at the crowd and said, "and if they don't do a good job I'll tell them, "You're Fired!" hahahahah..." Surreal.
Millions of Americans are blindly devoted to their Dear Leader Trump. What will it take for them to snap out of it?
On December 20, 1954, some 62 years before Donald Trump would be sworn in as president of the United States, Dorothy Martin and dozens of her followers crowded into her home in Chicago to await the apocalypse. The group believed that Martin, a housewife, had received a message from a planet named Clarion that the world would end in a great flood beginning at midnight, and that they, the faithful, would be rescued by an alien spacecraft.
Unbeknownst to the other “Seekers,” three of their group — Leon Festinger, Henry Riecken, and Stanley Schachter — were not there to be saved, but to observe. Psychologists from elite institutions, they had infiltrated the pseudo-cult to study Festinger’s recently elaborated theory of “cognitive dissonance.” The theory predicted that when people with strongly held beliefs were presented with contrary evidence, rather than change their minds they would seek comfort and “cognitive consonance” by convincing others to support their erroneous views.
Festinger’s prediction was right. When neither the apocalypse nor the UFO arrived, the group began proselytizing about how God had rewarded the Earth with salvation because of their vigil. His subsequent book, When Prophecy Fails, became a standard sociology reference for examining cognitive dissonance, religious prophecy, and cult-like behavior. What the three researchers probably never predicted, though, was that over half a century later Festinger’s theory would be applicable to roughly 25 percent of the population of the United States and one of its two major political parties. Nor could they have foreseen that the country’s salvation might well depend on its ability to deprogram the Trump cult’s acolytes.
More at https://newrepublic.com/article/152638/escape-trump-cult
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Still No Evidence.
Do we need to wait for another Monday?
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Quote:We'll be waiting for another Monday for years. YEARS.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Still No Evidence.
Do we need to wait for another Monday?
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Quote:We'll be waiting for another Monday for years. YEARS.
Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Still No Evidence.
Do we need to wait for another Monday?
yeah
Only 2 Mondays left in the year. Do Trolls observe Holidays? They're very obtuse with observations.
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Another week gone by.
Still No Evidence.
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Still No Evidence.
And another Monday has passed. Only one more left in the year.
Hopefully the Trolls are holding their breath until then.
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We're only drowning in it.
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Evidence that puts .TRUMP.RUSSIA.COLLUSION. in one package?
I see you posted no links to stiffen up your limp claim.
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Fresh evidence that Michael Cohen was in Prague after all
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/12/mcclatchy-re-ups-claim-that-coh
en-was-in-prague-during-summer-2016/
A mobile phone traced to President Donald Trump’s former lawyer and “fixer” Michael Cohen briefly sent signals ricocheting off cell towers in the Prague area in late summer 2016, at the height of the presidential campaign, leaving an electronic record to support claims that Cohen met secretly there with Russian officials, four people with knowledge of the matter say.
During the same period of late August or early September, electronic eavesdropping by an Eastern European intelligence agency picked up a conversation among Russians, one of whom remarked that Cohen was in Prague, two people familiar with the incident said.
There are two things that are interesting about this. First, if it’s true, it’s a huge shot-in-the-arm for the credibility of the entire Steele dossier, where this allegation originated. Second, it means that special counsel Robert Mueller knows about all this and decided to keep it closely held instead of using it in the charge sheet against Cohen.
But why would Mueller want to keep it secret? Well, the alleged purpose of Cohen’s trip to Prague was to visit with Russian intelligence folks in order to come up with a plan for making cash payments to the hackers who were working with Team Trump to take down Hillary Clinton. Even for Mitch McConnell, I assume this would be considered an impeachable offense, and it’s the kind of thing you’d really want to nail down solidly before you make it public. What’s more, I assume—again, if this is true—that Cohen turned over names and dates and Mueller might want some time to see if he can interview any of the people Cohen talked with. Who knows? Maybe one of them will take a flight that makes a refueling stop in Canada someday.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:
Fresh evidence that Michael Cohen was in Prague after all
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/12/mcclatchy-re-ups-claim-that-coh
en-was-in-prague-during-summer-2016/
A mobile phone traced to President Donald Trump’s former lawyer and “fixer” Michael Cohen briefly sent signals ricocheting off cell towers in the Prague area in late summer 2016, at the height of the presidential campaign, leaving an electronic record to support claims that Cohen met secretly there with Russian officials, four people with knowledge of the matter say.
During the same period of late August or early September, electronic eavesdropping by an Eastern European intelligence agency picked up a conversation among Russians, one of whom remarked that Cohen was in Prague, two people familiar with the incident said.
There are two things that are interesting about this. First, if it’s true, it’s a huge shot-in-the-arm for the credibility of the entire Steele dossier, where this allegation originated. Second, it means that special counsel Robert Mueller knows about all this and decided to keep it closely held instead of using it in the charge sheet against Cohen.
But why would Mueller want to keep it secret? Well, the alleged purpose of Cohen’s trip to Prague was to visit with Russian intelligence folks in order to come up with a plan for making cash payments to the hackers who were working with Team Trump to take down Hillary Clinton. Even for Mitch McConnell, I assume this would be considered an impeachable offense, and it’s the kind of thing you’d really want to nail down solidly before you make it public. What’s more, I assume—again, if this is true—that Cohen turned over names and dates and Mueller might want some time to see if he can interview any of the people Cohen talked with. Who knows? Maybe one of them will take a flight that makes a refueling stop in Canada someday.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Shit, should've checked. I just posted a similar story in the countdown thread. Nice analysis second. Yep tick tock
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Quote:To get Trump impeached will take a lot more than "four people spoke with McClatchy on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of information shared by their foreign intelligence connections. Each obtained their information independently from foreign intelligence connections."
Originally posted by THG:
Shit, should've checked. I just posted a similar story in the countdown thread. Nice analysis second. Yep tick tock
Republican Senators won't believe it until it is to their personal, political, & financial advantage to fire Trump from the Presidency. But Mueller will believe it and, if he is really as clever as he is claimed to be, Mueller will find a very legal way to make Trump miserable after he leaves the White House.
www.mcclatchydc.com/news/investigations/article219016820.html
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New Years is coming.
Somebody ought to remember to change the batteries on that impeachment clock.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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It's solar powered. Tick tock, or should I say ping.
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Most Democrats can't read a clock that isn't digital.
So why are we saying tick tock when the solar powered digital impeachment clock doesn't make any sound?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Last Monday of the year has passed.
Still No Evidence.
I guess Mueller and the resident Trolls here have all blown their wads, proving themselves impotent and fruitless.
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Poll: Majority want Trump to declassify documents from Russia investigations
A majority want President Trump to declassify documents pertaining to the Russia investigations, according to a new The Hill-HarrisX poll.
Fifty-nine percent of registered voters contacted for the survey said they want Trump to declassify the documents, with 14 percent saying they want the information kept secret and 27 percent not sure.
https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/423294-poll-majority
-want-trump-declassify-russia-documents
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Quote:You "guess" wrong.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Still No Evidence.
I guess Mueller and the resident Trolls here have all blown their wads, proving themselves impotent and fruitless.
You are correct that there is "no evidence" Republicans will force Trump into a trial, but if Trump ever goes on trial in the Senate, Mueller has many witnesses ready to testify that Trump is a liar and a crook. More witnesses are being readied. The chief witness that Trump is an incompetent President is Trump. He has proven it many times. His incompetence might motivate Republicans in Congress to place Trump on trial. The way things are going at the White House, with the resignations because his staff think Trump is incompetent, there will certainly be more evidence between now and the election in 2020.
Shadows lengthen over Donald Trump's presidency with December pleas and sentences
www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/shadows-lengthen-over-donald-trumps-pr
esidency-with-december-pleas-and-sentences/ar-BBRB4p1
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Still No Evidence.
Now for the 3rd Calendar Year.
Too bad Trump doesn't Declassify the documents. He said he wanted to, but since Democraps are keen to keep hidden the evidence of so many of their crimes, they convinced him not to. So far.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Too bad Trump doesn't Declassify the documents. He said he wanted to, but since Democraps are keen to keep hidden the evidence of so many of their crimes, they convinced him not to. So far.
"The Democrats convinced him not to"... hmmm... really? Trump listening to any Democrats? Does that make sense to even you?
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Still No Evidence.
But the first Monday of the year is coming up. Hopefully Trolls hold their breath until then.
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Tons of evidence. More every day. 36 indictments. 192 criminal charges.
It's just getting started. But, I understand that as a Russian troll, you're paid to say stupid shit regularly.
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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Tons of evidence. More every day. 36 indictments. 192 criminal charges.
Not a single one on Trump so far.
Once again, it sounds to me like the swamp is being drained.
Trump spent his entire life until 2015 as a Democrat.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Lifelong Democrats turning on Lifelong Democrats, lynching Lifelong Democrats.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted:
Tons of evidence. More every day. 36 indictments. 192 criminal charges.
Not a single one on Trump so far.
Once again, it sounds to me like the swamp is being drained.
Trump spent his entire life until 2015 as a Democrat.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
And this affects me how?
Why is it so hard for me to care?
Seems an effective way to Drain the Swamp, but not very efficient - costing way too much.
Still No Evidence.
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Still No Evidence.
Can we get Trolls to hold their breath until Monday?
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Seems an effective way to Drain the Swamp, but not very efficient - costing way too much.
Since when has our government ever done anything efficiently and on a reasonable budget?
Flush em all out.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:You're a troll, and we all know it.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Still No Evidence.
But the first Monday of the year is coming up. Hopefully Trolls hold their breath until then.
His campaign manager and lawyer both pleaded guilty. Given Trump's constant micromanagement, there's no way he didn't know, and the evidence that he did is there.
Your boss's other employee is going down.
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Originally posted by reaverfan:Quote:You're a troll, and we all know it.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Still No Evidence.
But the first Monday of the year is coming up. Hopefully Trolls hold their breath until then.
His campaign manager and lawyer both pleaded guilty. Given Trump's constant micromanagement, there's no way he didn't know, and the evidence that he did is there.
Your boss's other employee is going down.
Well said...
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"there's no way he didn't know, and the evidence that he did is there"
link?
wait ... what WAS I thinking?
that's too much like looking for facts
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"there's no way he didn't know, and the evidence that he did is there"
link?
wait ... what WAS I thinking?
that's too much like looking for facts
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Merely for having sat calmly through George H.W. Bush’s funeral on Wednesday, Donald Trump was hailed by some as having turned a more presidential page. Alas, it was another Groundhog Day in a loop of Trumpian false dawns. Since then, Mr Trump announced the exit of his chief of staff, John Kelly, appointed Heather Nauert, a former Fox News talking head, to be the next UN ambassador, named a new attorney-general, William Barr, and was effectively labelled a criminal by his own Department of Justice. For good measure, he also called Rex Tillerson, his former secretary of state, “dumb as a rock” and “lazy as hell”.
Mr Trump is battening down the hatches for the second half of his presidential term. It promises to be much stormier than the first. Robert Mueller, the special counsel, is methodically lining up his targets for what increasingly looks like a recommended indictment of Mr Trump for more than one federal crime. On Friday, “individual #1”, as Mr Trump is called in the filings, was implicated in a federal crime in the sentencing reports for Michael Cohen, his estranged personal lawyer, and Paul Manafort, his former campaign chairman.
The filings were heavily redacted. But even from what was visible, they establish connections between the Russian government and people around Mr Trump from as early as November 2015 — eight months before he took the Republican nomination. The chess grandmaster, Garry Kasparov, once said that Mr Trump “had more Russia connections than Aeroflot”. Mr Mueller has by no means finished mapping them out.
More at www.ft.com/content/f7b66c02-fb34-11e8-aebf-99e208d3e521
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Originally posted by second:
Mr Trump is battening down the hatches for the second half of his presidential term. It promises to be much stormier than the first. Robert Mueller, the special counsel, is methodically lining up his targets for what increasingly looks like a recommended indictment of Mr Trump for more than one federal crime. On Friday, “individual #1”, as Mr Trump is called in the filings, was implicated in a federal crime in the sentencing reports for Michael Cohen, his estranged personal lawyer, and Paul Manafort, his former campaign chairman.
I'm not familiar with the confirmation process or time line for a new AG, Barr, but once confirmed (is there any doubt?) then he shuts Mueller down and we're back to el Duce. I'm not feeling very shiny on any of this.
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Quote:I'm fairly sure that Trump won't destroy America, but he could do the USA a great service by destroying the Republican Party. The longer Trump hangs in there as an incompetent President, maybe even treasonous like Nixon or a tax-cheating criminal like Nixon's V.P. Spiro Agnew, the more likely the GOP will split into third parties that can't get elected, taking all those Trump loyalists down with the party.
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
I'm not familiar with the confirmation process or time line for a new AG, Barr, but once confirmed (is there any doubt?) then he shuts Mueller down and we're back to el Duce. I'm not feeling very shiny on any of this.
Agnew's crookedness was hushed up and Nixon's treason stayed under-reported, but if Trump has done anything like those famous Republicans did, it will come out in public within the next few years, while Trump is still alive, when it can do the maximum harm to the GOP and all those Congressmen who protected Trump from getting the justice he deserved.
Did Nixon Commit Treason on Vietnam? Yes.
www.realclearhistory.com/2017/01/27/did_nixon_commit_treason_on_vietna
m_1374.html
When a Candidate Conspired With a Foreign Power to Win An Election.
It took decades to unravel Nixon’s sabotage of Vietnam peace talks. Now, the full story can be told.
www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/08/06/nixon-vietnam-candidate-con
spired-with-foreign-power-win-election-215461
". . . the fact that it took nearly 50 years for Nixon’s secret to emerge also offers vital lessons for today. It shows how hard it is to find definitive proof of collaboration with a foreign power when officials are determined to hide the truth."
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:
I'm fairly sure that Trump won't destroy America, but he could do the USA a great service by destroying the Republican Party. The longer Trump hangs in there as an incompetent President, maybe even treasonous like Nixon or a tax-cheating criminal like Nixon's V.P. Spiro Agnew, the more likely the GOP will split into third parties that can't get elected, taking all those Trump loyalists down with the party.
That's like one of those computer games where you get to make choices along the way and the outcome/plot trail depends on the combination of all of the many choices you make. So... in that vein... that's just one of the possibilities. The other ones include Trump gets a WIN. Like a Dem Cave and a Wall. And that emboldens a-holes like McConnell & Co. And they get a new AG and Rosenstein, one of the last the Guardians, is axed and the darkness descends for 100 years.
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Quote:The Democrats in Congress can easily avoid that by remaining calm and not caving in to Trump's panicky demands. They can make that easier on themselves by encouraging the calmer ones among the GOP Congressmen to agree that the shutdown must end. With Trump being irrational about his Wall and a panoply of larger issues, he will eventually drive about one quarter of his own people in Congress to distraction, then a mild revolt.
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
I'm fairly sure that Trump won't destroy America, but he could do the USA a great service by destroying the Republican Party. The longer Trump hangs in there as an incompetent President, maybe even treasonous like Nixon or a tax-cheating criminal like Nixon's V.P. Spiro Agnew, the more likely the GOP will split into third parties that can't get elected, taking all those Trump loyalists down with the party.
That's like one of those computer games where you get to make choices along the way and the outcome/plot trail depends on the combination of all of the many choices you make. So... in that vein... that's just one of the possibilities. The other ones include Trump gets a WIN. Like a Dem Cave and a Wall. And that emboldens a-holes like McConnell & Co. And they get a new AG and Rosenstein, one of the last the Guardians, is axed and the darkness descends for 100 years.
Trump really doesn't have any strategy better than lie about everything. Most GOP Congressmen, even the ones that like him, have noticed that weakness in him. If he actually has committed a felon on the same order as his convicted personal attorney, Trump won't be able to lie his way into a second term, although he will try because that's the only trick he knows, that and shouting. Some of his people in Congress will realize he is a liability and politically incompetent and will stop slavishly following his whims if they don't want to end like him, out of office in 2020.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Still No Evidence.
Are Trolls waiting for another Monday? The 2nd of the year? Wish they would hold their breaths.
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Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
I'm fairly sure that Trump won't destroy America, but he could do the USA a great service by destroying the Republican Party. The longer Trump hangs in there as an incompetent President, maybe even treasonous like Nixon or a tax-cheating criminal like Nixon's V.P. Spiro Agnew, the more likely the GOP will split into third parties that can't get elected, taking all those Trump loyalists down with the party.
That's like one of those computer games where you get to make choices along the way and the outcome/plot trail depends on the combination of all of the many choices you make. So... in that vein... that's just one of the possibilities. The other ones include Trump gets a WIN. Like a Dem Cave and a Wall. And that emboldens a-holes like McConnell & Co. And they get a new AG and Rosenstein, one of the last the Guardians, is axed and the darkness descends for 100 years.
Right now we're in the storm. When it's over America will bloom again. Our justice system will prevail.
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Quote:The Democrats are waiting for the next national election. With Trump being an incompetent chief executive and all GOP Congressmen defending that incompetence, the GOP will lose seats in Congress.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Still No Evidence.
Are Trolls waiting for another Monday? The 2nd of the year? Wish they would hold their breaths.
As an extra bonus, if Mueller uncovers a crime by Trump, whether it is tax evasion, or money laundering for the Russian mafia, or attempted shutdown of an FBI investigation (Nixon's downfall was the "smoking gun" tape) it will be even worse for the GOP during the 2020 election.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixon_White_House_tapes#The_%22smoking_g
un%22_tape
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Still No Evidence.
Are Trolls waiting for another Monday? The 2nd of the year? Wish they would hold their breaths.
They're waiting for a Monday...
About 90 Mondays from now.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Now that Democraps have taken over all these House Committees and Investigations, it is amazing how all of the Confidential Testimonies which have remained Confidential for the past years have suddenly begun to get "leaked" to their stenographer brethren who call themselves "the press" - shockers.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Now that Democraps have taken over all these House Committees and Investigations, it is amazing how all of the Confidential Testimonies which have remained Confidential for the past years have suddenly begun to get "leaked" to their stenographer brethren who call themselves "the press" - shockers.
It's great.
Was it you or 6 that wanted Trump to release confidential documents recently? I heard somewhere it was you.
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Still No Evidence.
Another Monday coming around in a few days. Last one of the month.
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This regime is circling the drain already. It's all over but the sentencing.
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lol
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Still No Evidence.
And no more Mondays left in January.
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Still No Evidence.
And no more Mondays left in January.
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Still No Evidence.
And no more Mondays left in January.
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Still No Evidence.
And no more Mondays left in January.
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Still No Evidence.
But tomorrow is another Monday.
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Quote:In Closed Hearing, a Clue About ‘the Heart’ of Mueller’s Russia Inquiry
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Still No Evidence.
But tomorrow is another Monday.
Putin helped Trump to get elected and Trump helped Putin. The day Mueller reveals that will be the day all Trump voters demand a video of Trump shaking hands with Putin while saying "It's a deal." But when Trump voters get the video, they will claim it is fake, that there is "Still No Evidence".
More at www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/in-closed-hearing-a-clue-about-the-hea
rt-of-muellers-russia-inquiry/ar-BBTq9dW
Now that I think of it, Trump voters will say "Fake News" when Mueller traces $1 billion from Putin's bank to Trump's bank. They will again be saying "Fake News" when Mueller proves Trump did not pay the taxes owed on that billion. Trump has already said it about not paying inheritance taxes owed on his parent's estate.
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-sc
hemes-fred-trump.html
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Originally posted by second:
The day Mueller reveals that will be the day all Trump voters demand a video of Trump shaking hands with Putin while saying "It's a deal." But when Trump voters get the video, they will claim it is fake, that there is "Still No Evidence".
Even if: Donny 2-face admits live on camera that he colluded with Russia, and then goes into detail laying out all the dealings he had and that were in the works, will be the day that Trump fans rise up and say he was forced to do so under penalty of [insert conspiracy theory here] - ie "to save his family!"
Why do people believe in what is observably false (conspiracy theories)?
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-apes/201801/why-do-peo
ple-believe-in-conspiracy-theories
"The desire to maintain a positive self-image. Research shows that people who feel socially marginalized are more likely to believe in conspiracy theories. We all have a desire to maintain a positive self-image, which usually comes from the roles we play in life—our jobs and our relationships with family and friends. When we know we make a positive difference in the lives of others—as parent, spouse, friend, teacher or mentor—we see our own lives as worthwhile, and we feel good about ourselves.
But say Uncle Joe is on disability and hasn’t worked in years. He feels socially excluded. However, he does have plenty of time to surf the internet for information about conspiracy theories, and he can chat online with others who hold similar beliefs. Thus, belief in conspiracy theories gives Uncle Joe a sense of community."
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And let's also not forget on broadcast tv Dump's guilty/idiot conscience getting the better of him: "I fired Comey because of the Russia thing." That's Obstruction 101, that's Evidence. But why bother pointing it to the Trump droids?
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Quote:Remember H Ross Perot? His famous catch phrase was urging voters to listen for the "giant sucking sound" of American jobs heading south to Mexico should NAFTA be ratified. Despite stopping and restarting his Presidential campaign in the middle of the election season, he got 18.9% of the votes. He was one flaky businessman, but not an all out liar like Trump. The same Texans I know who voted for Perot, voted for Trump. Texans really love to vote for rich guys with diarrhea of the mouth. Perot showed Trump that a nut could become President, but not if he started a third party.
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
And let's also not forget on broadcast tv Dump's guilty/idiot conscience . . .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Perot#1992_presidential_campaign
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Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Why do people believe in what is observably false (conspiracy theories)?
The entire platform of the left for 2 years has been a conspiracy theory.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Much longer than that.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Why do people believe in what is observably false (conspiracy theories)?
The entire platform of the left for 2 years has been a conspiracy theory.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Did Oswald shoot JFK, with Zero Visibility and The Magic Bullet?
Has AIDS ever been proven? No other theory in the history of medicine has persisted longer without being proven.
When algore invented Global Warming, who knew politicians would make it their only campaign priority?
Did Man walk on the Moon, or did we just need to defund NASA?
Still No Evidence on Trump! Russia! Collusion!
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Robert Mueller's lead prosecutor drops hint suggesting Russian collusion is still very much on the menu
https://theweek.com/speedreads/823078/robert-muellers-lead-prosecutor-
drops-hint-suggesting-russian-collusion-still-much-menu
Tick tock.
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Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Did Oswald shoot JFK, with Zero Visibility and The Magic Bullet?
Has AIDS ever been proven? No other theory in the history of medicine has persisted longer without being proven.
When algore invented Global Warming, who knew politicians would make it their only campaign priority?
Did Man walk on the Moon, or did we just need to defund NASA?
Still No Evidence on Trump! Russia! Collusion!
^That's what I call evidunce
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Why do people believe in what is observably false (conspiracy theories)?
The entire platform of the left for 2 years has been a conspiracy theory.
All those convictions and indictments were phony, right? All the intel agencies who said that Russia tried (and maybe succeeded) influencing the election were just making sh*t up?
Like I said...
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Still No Evidence.
I hear Mueller is about to announce the end of his fecal inspection, and might not even bother with a report. Nothing to put in any report, No Evidence, No Charges, just a waste of time and money.
No sensible person expected otherwise.
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Senate Intelligence Committee, Dems and Repubs, find no evidence of collusion.
What's Rachel Maddow going to hyperventilate about now?
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tick tock____T
‘Prosecutors Almost Never Have Direct Evidence Of Criminal Conspiracies’
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Yup... Finally going to end this charade.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Well geeTHUGR, nice of you - and MSNBC- to admit what I've been saying all along: There is NO EVIDENCE.
Now, one of the things about this committee is that it is privy to "highly classified" information - like, for example, if there were NSA intercepts between the Trump team and RUSSIA!!! - but alas, no such EVIDENCE exists to support your delusion.
If you recall, the contacts between people who claimed to represent Russia (like Mifsud) were all initiated from the other side, and most of them were set up by employees and associates of GPSFusion = the opposition research company paid by the HILLARY campaign. It was all bait, as far as I can tell, to try to get the Trump campaign in trouble. That, along with the so-called Steele "dossier" was disinformation. And then all of this disinfo was whipped into a froth, like a hippo whips its shit, by a series of unmaskings, leaks, and illegally-framed FISA warrants. Each time I followed the trail of your so-called evidence, it evaporated into nothing.
Mueller's last act of desperation is trying to claim that Julian Assange was the Trump campaign's link to Russia. But so far, all Mueller has been able to do is gin up a series of "process crimes" about events which weren't even illegal.
This whole RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!! campaign has been one giant attempted coup by the deep state, including Obama, Hillary, and the DNC.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Well geeTHUGR, nice of you - and MSNBC- to admit what I've been saying all along: There is NO EVIDENCE.
Now, one of the things about this committee is that it is privy to "highly classified" information - like, for example, if there were NSA intercepts between the Trump team and RUSSIA!!! - but alas, no such EVIDENCE exists to support your delusion.
If you recall, the contacts between people who claimed to represent Russia (like Mifsud) were all initiated from the other side, and most of them were set up by employees and associates of GPSFusion = the opposition research company paid by the HILLARY campaign. It was all bait, as far as I can tell, to try to get the Trump campaign in trouble. That, along with the so-called Steele "dossier" was disinformation. And then all of this disinfo was whipped into a froth, like a hippo whips its shit, by a series of unmaskings, leaks, and illegally-framed FISA warrants. Each time I followed the trail of your so-called evidence, it evaporated into nothing.
Mueller's last act of desperation is trying to claim that Julian Assange was the Trump campaign's link to Russia. But so far, all Mueller has been able to do is gin up a series of "process crimes" about events which weren't even illegal.
This whole RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!! campaign has been one giant attempted coup by the deep state, including Obama, Hillary, and the DNC.
lol
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I agree. It has all been extremely funny.
I'm just wondering what the new hate will be when the Russia thing is finally put to bed. Can't let the crazies go without feeding them. What would happen to the ratings at the media outlets that are already laying off people?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:I swear to god, small g, that Trump spews conspiracy theories faster and farther than anyone else in politics. Where does he get his ideas? Here is a paragraph from an article about Trump's sources:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I agree. It has all been extremely funny.
I'm just wondering what the new hate will be when the Russia thing is finally put to bed. Can't let the crazies go without feeding them. What would happen to the ratings at the media outlets that are already laying off people?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Stone and Trump have long avoided defining themselves by party politics. Indeed, for many years it wasn’t clear which party Trump belonged to, and during his 2000 flirtation with a Presidential run he considered doing it as a third-party candidate. This was in line with Stone’s belief that Trump’s real adversary, both then and now, was “the deep state”—a term with a hazy definition. “It’s what Eisenhower called the military-industrial complex,” Stone told me, “but it’s broader than that. It’s the intelligence agencies, the entire national-security apparatus, and it doesn’t change, regardless of who is President.” Stone elaborated on the definition in his foreword to a new book, “The Plot to Destroy Trump: How the Deep State Fabricated the Russian Dossier to Subvert the President,” by Theodore Roosevelt Malloch, an American writer who lives in England. Stone refers to the “two-party duopoly” that brought about “endless wars” in the Middle East and “the erosion of civil liberties” at home. “The Republicans and the Democrats, the elites of both parties, were working together, the Bushes and the Clintons, whose policies and truths were largely indistinguishable,” he writes. Trump represented a rejection of the deep state’s hegemony, and now, according to Stone, the deep state was fighting back: “We are witnessing the beginning of the collapse of an illegitimate effort to reverse what the Deep State could not do in the 2016 election.” Stone has a daily show on the Internet outlet Infowars, which is owned by the conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, who has been banned from Twitter and other social-media sites for his abusive behavior and who has claimed that the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School, in 2012, did not take place. Stone devotes much of his show each day to the perfidies of the deep state. He, too, was banned from Twitter, in 2017, after he posted a series of tweets directed at CNN personalities in which he called Don Lemon an “ignorant lying covscuker.”
If Stone helped define Trump’s obsessions, then Corsi, who found his way into Trump’s world through a more circuitous route, justified them. . . .
Trump's idea man, Jerome Corsi, is crazier than Trump: Corsi describes his struggle as spiritual. As he writes in his e-book, “The United States under the Deep State masters has begun to descend into a political Hell that I previously thought could only happen under Hitler’s Gestapo, Stalin’s KGB, or Mao’s Cultural Revolution. My particular Kafkaesque nightmare is nothing more than punishment for the crime of being a vocal supporter of Donald Trump and for having worked with Roger Stone to promote Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign.” Corsi concludes with his own version of a serenity prayer: “I am with God. Are you?”
More at www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/02/18/roger-stones-and-jerome-corsis-t
ime-in-the-barrel
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If you want to know who does the deep state's bidding, all you have to do is look at those in power who've lined up to push this false narrative against Trump. That would include MI6, Clapper, Comey, Obama, MSNBC and most of the rest of M$M.
But if you want to knw who the deep state is, you'd have to look a lot deeper because the members prefer to remain invisible. I'd suggest looking among the ultra-lite ... that 0.01% which owns over half of the world's asssets. You don't really think that they got rich... and then richer... twisting the world's laws and media and militaries and technologies and bureaucracies to their advantge ... by accident, do you?
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Quote:Trump twisted the tax law to his advantage. That would make him part of the Deep State. And he sure knows how to make himself look like a crook. He must be part of the Deep State conspiracy against the President.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If you want to know who does the deep state's bidding, all you have to do is look at those in power who've lined up to push this false narrative against Trump. That would include MI6, Clapper, Comey, Obama, MSNBC and most of the rest of M$M.
But if you want to knw who the deep state is, you'd have to look a lot deeper because the members prefer to remain invisible. I'd suggest looking among the ultra-lite ... that 0.01% which owns over half of the world's asssets. You don't really think that they got rich... and then richer... twisting the world's laws and media and militaries and technologies and bureaucracies to their advantge ... by accident, do you?
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
Trump may be guilty of massive tax fraud. Don’t let it fall down the memory hole.
www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/10/04/trump-may-be-guil
ty-of-massive-tax-fraud-dont-let-it-fall-down-the-memory-hole/
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-sc
hemes-fred-trump.html
President Trump says the tax bill will ‘cost me a fortune.’ That’s false.
www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/11/30/president-trump
-says-the-tax-bill-will-cost-me-a-fortune-thats-false/
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SECOND, there are Big Fish in the deep state, and little fish. Trump is a little fish. As I have posted (more than once) he's a national capitalist, not an international one. In the grand scheme of things, if he maintains American sovereignty he's fighting the Big Fish. Is he 100% what I want? Again, as I've posted MANY times, he is not. But he's fighting against global financialism, which IMHO would put us in thrall to a faceless unreachable autocracy and is the driver of the bigger ills that face us, so in the grand scheme of things Trump is sideways to my goals but the deep state is directly opposite.
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Quote:Is John Bolton a little fish, like Trump? Bolton called for War. Rudy Giuliani, who now serves as Trump’s personal lawyer, called for the overthrow of Iran’s government on Wednesday during a rally in Poland. Is Rudy really serving Trump or is he serving the Deep State, which is always ready for another war? Or is it Trump serving the Deep State's need for war? It is impossible to know Trump's or Rudy's real motives. Rudy admitted that he was paid by the MEK, but stressed to reporters that he was in Warsaw on behalf of the MEK in his personal capacity and would not be attending the diplomatic conference organized by the State Department.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, there are Big Fish in the deep state, and little fish. Trump is a little fish. As I have posted (more than once) he's a national capitalist, not an international one. In the grand scheme of things, if he maintains American sovereignty he's fighting the Big Fish. Is he 100% what I want? Again, as I've posted MANY times, he is not. But he's fighting against global financialism, which IMHO would put us in thrall to a faceless unreachable autocracy and is the driver of the bigger ills that face us, so in the grand scheme of things Trump is sideways to my goals but the deep state is directly opposite.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
https://theintercept.com/2019/02/13/iran-netanyahu-giuliani/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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