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Quote:Signym, don't you remember the Mercury/Gemini/Apollo space program? It created millions of good paying jobs. And then Nixon killed it. Don't you remember the Interstate Highway Program? Or TVA? The Superconducting Super Collider? I remember when that was idiotically killed by the GOP and then all scientists, engineers and construction workers were fired.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Pity (or government aid) would be no more if we did not MAKE men poor.
Ironical - who'd want those things for themselves or their families??
What Americans need, more than anything, are meaningful jobs at living wages. Not a government teat to latch onto, which disempowers people in their own lives.
Now, there are some areas where government rightfully should step in, such as managing the "commons" and building infrastructure, issuing currency and defending the borders, managing trade and breaking monopolies.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
Once you go to the moon, or build the highway, or electrify the Tennessee Valley, the Federal government could keep going farther. It does NOT have to stop. It could invent bigger goals that create more jobs that pay well. But the Federal government did not. I blame the GOP. The GOP denies it. Ha! Liars!
Some of those old federal programs are still limping along. Nasa still exists. So does the TVA. But the old programs have shrunk to a skeleton of what they once were and the program managers fired the excess employees. It did not have to be that way, but it happened because the GOP wanted it.
Now jobs are created by the top 1 percenters and they are motivated by profit for themselves, not jobs for the other 99 percent. That is why America is the way it is today. Don't try to claim it did not happen. Don't try to claim that the GOP wasn't the motivating force. I watched this happen over the last 50 years. I was there.
The government turned control over to the unelected, uncaring 1 percenters who let the government look after the other 99 percent of Americans while the 1 percent look after only themselves.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:HA HA!
Signym, don't you remember the Mercury/Gemini/Apollo space program? It created millions of good paying jobs. And then Nixon killed it. Don't you remember the Interstate Highway Program? Or TVA? The Superconducting Super Collider? I remember when that was idiotically killed by the GOP and then all scientists, engineers and construction workers were fired.
Once you go to the moon, or build the highway, or electrify the Tennessee Valley, the Federal government could keep going farther. It does NOT have to stop. It could invent bigger goals that create more jobs that pay well. But the Federal government did not. I blame the GOP. The GOP denies it. Ha! Liars!
Well, it's a good thing that I'm not a partisan Republican, and have NO INTEREST in defending the GOP!!
Lookit, SECOND, I worked for a government agency that (I believe) had a legitimate mission to defend public health. Our agency - unlike other government agencies - successfully withstood wave after wave of pushes for "privatization", so I know all about the GOP and it's interests.
Quote:Are you being ironical here? The top 1% have NO interest in "creating jobs" ... if anything, THEIR main interest is in GETTING RID of jobs.
Now jobs are created by the top 1 percenters and they are motivated by profit for themselves, not jobs for the other 99 percent.
Quote:HAHAHA!!! AS IF THE GOP WAS THE PARTY THAT SHIPPED JOBS OVERSEAS!
That is why America is the way it is today. Don't try to claim it did not happen. Don't try to claim that the GOP wasn't the motivating force. I watched this happen over the last 50 years. I was there.
SECOND, you have a SERIOUSLY warped view of history, especially American economic history. Democrats have had just as much of a hand in destroying jobs in America as the GOP. Once the "globalization/ financialist" sector bought the Democratic party (somewhere before Bill Clinton) Democrats stopped representing working Americans. That's why they turned to "identity politics": because they have nothing left to peddle.
I am in no way saying that Republicans are better.
Quote:consisting of both Republicans AND Democrats
The government
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turned control over to the unelected, uncaring 1 percenters who let the government look after the other 99 percent of Americans while the 1 percent look after only themselves.
The entire government is fucked up by money. Name me ONE CASE since roughly 1990 when a Democratic administration actually did anything good for American jobs. I'll bet you that you can't
I'm going to add, btw, that you constantly mistake my CRITICISM OF YOU as a defense of Republicans in general and Trump in particular. I think I've already made VERY CLEAR what I think our national goals should be, and just as clearly neither the GOP nor Democrats are heading in the direction I think we should be heading, and in fact I think the political establishments of both parties are driving this nation into the ground.
Trump has done three or four ESSENTIAL things towards restoring our economy, such as maintaining sovereignty over our trade decisions. That means that these decisions will be made in UNITED STATES venues, not in Singapore or Zurich. That means that we ... you, me, SIX, WISHY, KIKI, and THUGR ... still have (at least in theory) political control over our nation's direction. Which is far better than having no control at all. But that doesn't mean that I agree with every single decision that he has made, and in some cases I disagree with him intensely.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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Quote:Signym, every time you write about reality, you write bullshit. You cannot truthfully write “Well, it's a good thing that I'm not a partisan Republican, and have NO INTEREST in defending the GOP!!" You are obviously pretending that Democrats are no better than Republicans. The facts say you lied.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, you have a SERIOUSLY warped view of history, especially American economic history. Democrats have had just as much of a hand in destroying jobs in America as the GOP. . . .
Name me ONE CASE since roughly 1990 when a Democratic administration actually did anything good for American jobs. I'll bet you that you can't.
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
I see an obvious trend where Democratic Presidents create more jobs than Republicans, with the exception of Reagan.
Which President Created the Most Jobs?
12 Presidents' Jobs Creation by Number and Percent
www.thebalance.com/job-creation-by-president-by-number-and-percent-386
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Bill Clinton (1993-2001) added 21.5 million jobs, a 19.6 percent increase.
Barack Obama (2009-2017) created 17.267 million jobs by the end of December 2016, a 12.8 percent increase.
Ronald Reagan (1981-1989) added 15.9 million jobs during his eight-year term, a 17.6 percent increase.
Lyndon B. Johnson (1963-1969) added 11.9 million jobs to the 57.36 million employed in December 1963. That's a 20.7 percent increase.
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933-1945) added 10.3 million jobs, a 32.7 percent increase over the 31.5 million workers since 1939.
Jimmy Carter (1977-1981) added 10.5 million jobs, a 13 percent increase.
George H.W. Bush (1989-1993) added 2.6 million jobs.
George W. Bush (2001-2009) created 2.1 million jobs during his eight-year term.
The difference between GOP Presidents and Democrats? It can be measured in millions of jobs.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Signym, every time you write about reality, you write bullshit. You cannot truthfully write “Well, it's a good thing that I'm not a partisan Republican, and have NO INTEREST in defending the GOP!!" You are obviously pretending that Democrats are no better than Republicans. The facts say you lied.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, you have a SERIOUSLY warped view of history, especially American economic history. Democrats have had just as much of a hand in destroying jobs in America as the GOP. . . .
Name me ONE CASE since roughly 1990 when a Democratic administration actually did anything good for American jobs. I'll bet you that you can't.
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
I see an obvious trend where Democratic Presidents create more jobs than Republicans, with the exception of Reagan.
Which President Created the Most Jobs?
12 Presidents' Jobs Creation by Number and Percent
www.thebalance.com/job-creation-by-president-by-number-and-percent-386
3218
Bill Clinton (1993-2001) added 21.5 million jobs, a 19.6 percent increase.
Barack Obama (2009-2017) created 17.267 million jobs by the end of December 2016, a 12.8 percent increase.
Ronald Reagan (1981-1989) added 15.9 million jobs during his eight-year term, a 17.6 percent increase.
Lyndon B. Johnson (1963-1969) added 11.9 million jobs to the 57.36 million employed in December 1963. That's a 20.7 percent increase.
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933-1945) added 10.3 million jobs, a 32.7 percent increase over the 31.5 million workers since 1939.
Jimmy Carter (1977-1981) added 10.5 million jobs, a 13 percent increase.
George H.W. Bush (1989-1993) added 2.6 million jobs.
George W. Bush (2001-2009) created 2.1 million jobs during his eight-year term.
The difference between GOP Presidents and Democrats? It can be measured in millions of jobs.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Here's the problem when you take a statistic and only look at that single stat and not the bigger picture at the time, or in the future for that matter.
Numbers 1 and 2 on that list are artificially inflated.
Clinton's numbers were so great because of opening the floodgates to China, as well as the dot com boom. Obama's numbers were so great because we gained millions of low paying jobs that do not pay livable wages for most Americans. More people than ever today have to work multiple jobs, not only because of how low the pay is, but because the ACA laws dictate that 30 hours + is full time, so most employers will hire more people at shit wages rather than take on full time employees and pay for their health insurance.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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I think this tells a more complete story. Shadowstats continues calculating unemployment using the same procedure that was used before 1994, when long-term discouraged workers were redefined out of existence.
Unemployment fell during the tech boom (Clinton). Rose during the tech bust in 2001. Fell during most of GWB's Presidency during the real estate bubble, and rose dramatically during the financial crash of 2008. (So if you were to look at GWB's tenure, he wound up more-or-less where he started ... but you would have missed the "boom" years in-between.) If you are to believe Shadowstats, REAL unemployment did not come down significantly during Obama's reign either, altho the "official" figures are designed to tell a happier story.
http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-charts
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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WEALTH GAP
OR ...
It looks like the GINI Index (measure of inequality) popped up right during Bill Clinton's first year as President. Except for that, it's impossible to tell Republicans from Democrats in this chart.
PERCENT OF EMPLOYEES IN MANUFACTURING
(You'll have to click on the link) Again, impossible to tell when a Democrat was in office versus Republican
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/USAPEFANA
TOTAL PUBLIC DEBT AS A PERCENTAGE OF GDP
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/gfdegdq188S
MONEY VELOCITY
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2V
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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I see that Signym and 6ixStringJack are doing what they can to obscure and confuse that the economic performance of the Democratic Party is very different from the GOP. I know why you are doing that. You want to reject both and seek a third way.
As reminder to all American citizens, voters, Russian trolls Signym and 1kiki who don’t want to declare themselves Republicans ---- your political choices are Democrat or Republican. Do you say that is not enough choice? What are your other choices? That is easy to know once you answer this question:
How many elected third party politicians are in America?
You could easily memorize the name of every one of them. (Note the word “elected”. Lost the election? Then don’t bother remembering that politician. Anybody think Jill Stein will ever be elected to anything bigger than Lexington Town Meeting Representative? Remember Ralph Nader for President 2000? Forget him, too, but remember Nader elected George W Bush because of the recount in Florida.)
Here is your list to memorize:
1) Bernie Sanders, Vermont’s Senator
2) Angus King, Maine’s Senator
3) Gregorio Sablan, Delegate to the House of Representatives from Northern Mariana Islands
4) Bill Walker, Alaska Governor, but who is also endorsed by the Democrats
5) a couple of dozen in the state legislatures (don’t bother remembering these guys. They have no more power than Lexington Town Meeting Representative)
And that is it.
Your choices are Democrat or Republican, or a few former D’s and R’s that quit to become “independent” or created their own bad joke party such as Kent Ackley of "Common Sense" Independent.
I didn’t design the system. That is how it works with the rules established by the Founding Fathers. They could have designed a Parliament if they were far-sighted and wise. They had the British example, but their hatred of King George III clouded their judgment. Now we are stuck with either D or R and no third nor fourth way, at least until a new Constitution is written.
The U.S. Constitution is the oldest and creakiest in the world. Norway’s Constitution, a much younger #2, is a Parliamentary Constitutional Monarchy. #3 is another Parliamentary Constitutional Monarchy. #2 and #3 have been extensively revised, unlike #1.
www.oldest.org/politics/constitutions/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_party_officeholders_in_the_United_
States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_members_of_the_United_States
_House_of_Representatives
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_members_of_state_legislature
s_of_the_United_States
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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It is confusing. Purposefully so. I don't judge you for being confused, Second.
I think it's funny now that you're talking like the 3rd party is the way to go, something that I've always said, when usually you've got your head so far up the Democrat's asses that their anal cavities are your echo chamber.
Why the sudden change of heart?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:I have not had a change of heart. Since we Americans are trapped inside a two party system by the Founding Fathers and their creaky old Constitution (it's almost as old as the English system of miles, acres, pounds, gallons. The USA is the only country still using that crappy measurement system. I was an engineer and that is why I want to think metric) I will stay with the Democratic Party.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It is confusing. Purposefully so. I don't judge you for being confused, Second.
I think it's funny now that you're talking like the 3rd party is the way to go, something that I've always said, when usually you've got your head so far up the Democrat's asses that their anal cavities are your echo chamber.
Why the sudden change of heart?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
What I want the Democrats to do is punch in the face the kind of people who regularly vote Republican. The Democratic Party, run by wimps, refuses to do it! I find that disappointing. From Texas I know Trump voters as liars, numbskulls, and racists, except for the rich Republicans voters. I need to add the liars claim they are truthful, the numbskulls claim they have commonsense, and the racists claim they aren't, but in private they are.
Ads from the Georgia gubernatorial nominees perfectly illustrate the difference between the political parties:
Democrat Abrams’s ad is called “Trusted” while Republican Kemp’s is called “Offends,” and they only diverge further from there. Abrams talks about issues, and she talks optimistically about making people’s lives better in a concrete way. Kemp, typically for a 2018 Republican, talks exclusively about diffuse threats to the white Christian cultural order.
Abrams says she has “a boundless belief in Georgia’s future,” and talks about Medicaid expansion, middle-class taxes, and mass transit.
Kemp describes himself as “a politically incorrect conservative” and literally does not mention any policy issues. Instead, he says that he says “Merry Christmas” and “God bless you,” stands for the national anthem, and supports our troops, and that if that offends you, then you shouldn’t vote for him.
Obviously there are literally no people in the United States of America who are offended by people who say “Merry Christmas” in December, but over the past 15 years, the conservative establishment in America has spun up this weird alternate reality in which totally normal, inoffensive behavior is under siege in American life and can only be protected by electing Republican politicians.
More at www.vox.com/2018/7/25/17611914/stacey-abrams-brian-kemp-ads
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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The White House responded with a form of information warfare straight out of the Kremlin playbook that it has used time and again :
A scandal erupts over something Trump or another White House official says or does. (In this case, audio of Trump and Cohen discussing how to buy the rights to a woman’s allegation that she had an affair with Trump.)
Media frenzy ensues.
The White House issues an outrageous-but-plausible-if-you-want-it-to-be denial about some detail of the story. (In this case, the White House released a transcript of the call, which claims Trump said “don’t” before “pay with cash.” The “don’t” is not audible on the tape.)
Journalistic rules about reporting both sides of the story mean the media spreads the White House’s fake version of events, whether the “don’t” is audible or not.
The story becomes muddied. Some attention is diverted to whether or not the White House has lied, rather than the scandal itself.
This strategy of denying otherwise clear evidence exploits a flaw in the Western media’s drive for objectivity, and takes the edge off scandals. By Quartz’s count, this was the fourth time in just the last two weeks that the administration has employed such a tactic straight out of the Kremlin playbook.
More at https://qz.com/1336230
Once again, ‘fake news’ decried by Trump turns out to be true
More at www.msn.com/en-us/news/factcheck/once-again-‘fake-news’-decried-by-tru
mp-turns-out-to-be-true/ar-BBL4lPH?ocid=spartandhp
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